*UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

[tron]

Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

It seems an update in between being incremental (fps) and major (mps). If however there is a significant improvement in the already good IQ of 5D3 it will prove to be a major update. I am talking about low and high ISO noise improvements.

 

[Sporgon]

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Seriously, there was a first time poster some time back in this thread who stated 'the future is video' and everyone will just take their stills from the 4K vid, and so the 5DIV specs are a disaster etc, etc.

In fact there is a move in some areas towards doing this for still images; I have a friend who is a professional in an international automotive industry, and this is what he is now doing, through demand from the client. But of course he is using a 4K video camera, not a dslr !

Do you have an iPhone that can take and send/receive "moments"?

No, I don't use a smart phone. They don't suit my lifestyle. Why, were you going to send me a 'moment' ?

 

[GMCPhotographics]

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Thanks Sporgon.

tpatana, good point, when shooting eagles last year I had the 6D and the 1D4. The 6D was giving me better IQ especially at higher ISOs but I was missing AF a lot compared to the 1D4. I finally just went with the 1D4 unless there was not going to be a chance of action. That was a decision based on the AF as much as it was fps, although in reviewing shots afterwards, clearly 10 fps was what gave me some killer moments.

If only we could have it all. That's why I have a wee bit of sympathy for some who criticize Canon's choices of what is and isn't included in different bodies. Just a little better AF and the 6D would have been significantly improved, I guess too much improved.

For me at this moment I'm pretty sure it'll be a 1DX II but that 30MP really matters since I'm often cropping significantly. That's the only item. As a stand alone camera the 5DSRr wouldn't do what I need and I'm only willing to pack one (heavy) camera on my hikes.

Jack

The ideal fps really depends on your target's movement and your technique. I regularly shoot wild sea birds and I've found that for most of my shots 6fps is more than adequate if I time my shots carefully, don't prematurely fill up the buffer and think about the right moment. I get less shots but more keepers...and a lot less editing and photo selections. I find the 1DX/II users tend to use the spray and pray technique (just as valid technique) but they end up with cards filled with hundreds of shots that need to be massively culled later. Interestingly, the 5DIII has half the fps of the same gen 1Dx, so it's no surprise that the 5D4 has stuck to the same formula.
I've never thought that the 5DIII could do with an extra 1 fps. But it would create different wing beats with landing birds, which may be better or worse. I won't know until I try one!

 

[H. Jones]

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Thanks Sporgon.

tpatana, good point, when shooting eagles last year I had the 6D and the 1D4. The 6D was giving me better IQ especially at higher ISOs but I was missing AF a lot compared to the 1D4. I finally just went with the 1D4 unless there was not going to be a chance of action. That was a decision based on the AF as much as it was fps, although in reviewing shots afterwards, clearly 10 fps was what gave me some killer moments.

If only we could have it all. That's why I have a wee bit of sympathy for some who criticize Canon's choices of what is and isn't included in different bodies. Just a little better AF and the 6D would have been significantly improved, I guess too much improved.

For me at this moment I'm pretty sure it'll be a 1DX II but that 30MP really matters since I'm often cropping significantly. That's the only item. As a stand alone camera the 5DSRr wouldn't do what I need and I'm only willing to pack one (heavy) camera on my hikes.

Jack

The ideal fps really depends on your target's movement and your technique. I regularly shoot wild sea birds and I've found that for most of my shots 6fps is more than adequate if I time my shots carefully, don't prematurely fill up the buffer and think about the right moment. I get less shots but more keepers...and a lot less editing and photo selections. I find the 1DX/II users tend to use the spray and pray technique (just as valid technique) but they end up with cards filled with hundreds of shots that need to be massively culled later. Interestingly, the 5DIII has half the fps of the same gen 1Dx, so it's no surprise that the 5D4 has stuck to the same formula.
I've never thought that the 5DIII could do with an extra 1 fps. But it would create different wing beats with landing birds, which may be better or worse. I won't know until I try one!

To be fair, you can limit the FPS on the 1DX Mark II. You can set the high burst speed drive modeanywhere from 2 FPS to 14 FPS, with a slow burst speed drive mode between 1-13. I feel like I'll set the slow burst to 8 FPS on my 1dx2 and actually use that mode during work that isn't speed-critical.

To bring it back to the 5D mark IV, I'd think they could implement a similar system. If they gave it 10 FPS for example(absolutely doubt this-- I'm expecting 7 is correct), I could see plenty of people electing to use a lower speed burst. At least it means you're not forced to shoot faster than you want if you're not all about FPS.

 

[sanj]

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Thanks Sporgon.

tpatana, good point, when shooting eagles last year I had the 6D and the 1D4. The 6D was giving me better IQ especially at higher ISOs but I was missing AF a lot compared to the 1D4. I finally just went with the 1D4 unless there was not going to be a chance of action. That was a decision based on the AF as much as it was fps, although in reviewing shots afterwards, clearly 10 fps was what gave me some killer moments.

If only we could have it all. That's why I have a wee bit of sympathy for some who criticize Canon's choices of what is and isn't included in different bodies. Just a little better AF and the 6D would have been significantly improved, I guess too much improved.

For me at this moment I'm pretty sure it'll be a 1DX II but that 30MP really matters since I'm often cropping significantly. That's the only item. As a stand alone camera the 5DSRr wouldn't do what I need and I'm only willing to pack one (heavy) camera on my hikes.

Jack

The ideal fps really depends on your target's movement and your technique. I regularly shoot wild sea birds and I've found that for most of my shots 6fps is more than adequate if I time my shots carefully, don't prematurely fill up the buffer and think about the right moment. I get less shots but more keepers...and a lot less editing and photo selections. I find the 1DX/II users tend to use the spray and pray technique (just as valid technique) but they end up with cards filled with hundreds of shots that need to be massively culled later. Interestingly, the 5DIII has half the fps of the same gen 1Dx, so it's no surprise that the 5D4 has stuck to the same formula.
I've never thought that the 5DIII could do with an extra 1 fps. But it would create different wing beats with landing birds, which may be better or worse. I won't know until I try one!

Ever photograph a lion hunt? Or a cheetah chase? 12 fps seems just minimum.

 

[PureClassA]

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THIS. This is how you make a "first post" in here. And it's probably actually a real "first post" LOL. (How many accounts does dilbert have now? : j/k ). Take notes, some of you...

Being a first-time poster, I am cringing in advance at posting at all given the heated emotions here as well as the incredible amount of collective knowledge and experience but...

I am really looking forward to the potential of this camera body. All information being speculation at this point, it almost nearly fits all my needs as a hybrid photographer/videographer (I spend most of my time shooting high-end photobooths, event videos, etc.). Given the photographic limitations of products like the GH4 and Panasonic's abysmal customer service, I am glad to find a body and brand which cater to someone seeking to shoot wedding photos as well as occasional video. Mind you, I would be ecstatic if the video turned out to be 4:2:2 10 bit for color grading but I am not well-versed technically to even know if that's possible all other rumors remaining the same. I can see pure photo enthusiasts not needing such additional specs (for a presumed premium in cost) but I've also read some espousing that cost drops due to the expanded market and I'm fairly certain I am inclined to agree with the latter stance given the hubub on various wedding videographer forums - not exactly a scientific sampling, I know. Anyway, here's hoping things turn out better than they're rumored to be and that there one day be a peace between the photo and video folks!

 

[Donkey_Kong]

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Anyone shooting video to create still photos is a hack. Your friend who is a "professional" will be out of business soon if this is how he/she operates. It often sounds like people take more pride in owning "the best" equipment than they do using it to create beautiful images.

 

[Mikehit]

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Anyone shooting video to create still photos is a hack. Your friend who is a "professional" will be out of business soon if this is how he/she operates. It often sounds like people take more pride in owning "the best" equipment than they do using it to create beautiful images.

The aim of a professional is not to create the best possible output - the aim is to produce what the client wants. Period. 'The best' equipment gives you the options to create different outputs for the demands of different clients.

 

[takesome1]

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Being a first-time poster, I am cringing in advance at posting at all given the heated emotions here as well as the incredible amount of collective knowledge and experience but...

I am really looking forward to the potential of this camera body. All information being speculation at this point, it almost nearly fits all my needs as a hybrid photographer/videographer (I spend most of my time shooting high-end photobooths, event videos, etc.). Given the photographic limitations of products like the GH4 and Panasonic's abysmal customer service, I am glad to find a body and brand which cater to someone seeking to shoot wedding photos as well as occasional video. Mind you, I would be ecstatic if the video turned out to be 4:2:2 10 bit for color grading but I am not well-versed technically to even know if that's possible all other rumors remaining the same. I can see pure photo enthusiasts not needing such additional specs (for a presumed premium in cost) but I've also read some espousing that cost drops due to the expanded market and I'm fairly certain I am inclined to agree with the latter stance given the hubub on various wedding videographer forums - not exactly a scientific sampling, I know. Anyway, here's hoping things turn out better than they're rumored to be and that there one day be a peace between the photo and video folks!

Welcome to the forum.

With this crowd if you want a response to your posts it is best to talk in "absolute's"

or post things like this:

"With these kind of spec's no wonder Canon is losing market share."
"With these kind of spec's no wonder Canon is going out of business."
"If Chuck Norris were a sensor for a camera body, he would only need one pixel and be a Sony."

 

[Orangutan]

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Anyone shooting video to create still photos is a hack. Your friend who is a "professional" will be out of business soon if this is how he/she operates.

The proof is in the results. It wasn't too many years ago that film still ruled, and anyone shooting digital was a hack; and not many years before that that anyone shooting less than MF was an amateur. Photo software now has the ability to remove some motion blur from still photos, so why not add motion blur to a series of stills to produce a video-friendly result? Humans have a long history of making things work beyond their original intent.

 

[3kramd5]

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I have a friend who is a professional in an international automotive industry, and this is what he is now doing, through demand from the client. But of course he is using a 4K video camera, not a dslr !

Anyone shooting video to create still photos is a hack. Your friend who is a "professional" will be out of business soon if this is how he/she operates.

Sounds like he'd be out of the job if he weren't doing that.

 

[ProShootingDigitalSince92]

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8bit 500mbps MJPEG is about 62.5 Mb/sec. That could work without CFast.
So for MJPEG that would allow just over 2Mb per 4k frame at 30fps.
In my experience 8+Mp images that are only 2Mb aren't that great.
Guess I'll wait to reserve judgement on the images but the spec isn't too exciting for 4k video shooters.

 

[Sporgon]

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I have a friend who is a professional in an international automotive industry, and this is what he is now doing, through demand from the client. But of course he is using a 4K video camera, not a dslr !

Anyone shooting video to create still photos is a hack. Your friend who is a "professional" will be out of business soon if this is how he/she operates.

Sounds like he'd be out of the job if he weren't doing that.

;D

Makes sense in a way when you think of videoing a car for promotions, inside and out, and the marketing people can then choose the precise angle / viewpoint etc that they want. Obviously the output is not as high quality, and the novelty may wear off, but at the moment this is how they want him to provide the images.

The commercial world sees things differently from a photographic hobby artist.

 

[PureClassA]

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8bit 500mbps MJPEG is about 62.5 Mb/sec. That could work without CFast.
So for MJPEG that would allow just over 2Mb per 4k frame at 30fps.
In my experience 8+Mp images that are only 2Mb aren't that great.
Guess I'll wait to reserve judgement on the images but the spec isn't too exciting for 4k video shooters.

If it looks like some of the 1DX2 videos I've seen (which I Imagine it should) it will look fantastic.

 

[scyrene]

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Ever photograph a lion hunt? Or a cheetah chase? 12 fps seems just minimum.

Valid examples, but surely those are a small minority of the situations even professional wildlife photographers find themselves in (other fast subjects would be swifts and swallows in flight, and birds diving, such as peregrines and gannets). And is the 5D4 the camera for that situation? Canon makes a high fps camera. The 5D4 is not it - it's an all-round professional model, which seems aimed at least as much at wedding and event photographers as wildlife and landscape shooters. Surely any increase in fps is a bonus, but there seems to me to be no reason 7fps should be bad and 8fps good, or any other arbitrary cutoff.

 

[Dantana]

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Anyone shooting video to create still photos is a hack. Your friend who is a "professional" will be out of business soon if this is how he/she operates. It often sounds like people take more pride in owning "the best" equipment than they do using it to create beautiful images.

I'm not sure how you can make such a blanket statement without knowing more details.

I'm not a huge fan of the idea of pulling stills from video, but I'm sure there are places where it would be a viable technique.

I tend to refrain from calling out someone as a hack until I see their work, and even then I'm not sure I'd blast it publicly. That's just me though.

 

[Jack Douglas]

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8bit 500mbps MJPEG is about 62.5 Mb/sec. That could work without CFast.
So for MJPEG that would allow just over 2Mb per 4k frame at 30fps.
In my experience 8+Mp images that are only 2Mb aren't that great.
Guess I'll wait to reserve judgement on the images but the spec isn't too exciting for 4k video shooters.

If it looks like some of the 1DX2 videos I've seen (which I Imagine it should) it will look fantastic.

Yes, but there was a quote I posted from a review site a while back that stated that while 4K was great, the HD results were poor. Not being well versed in video I didn't really get why that was the case so I'm still wondering. I'd be interested in further illumination.

Just hunted for it and here it is. There was a very thorough reply that made sense but it tends to go over my head at this point, not having been doing much video with the 6D.

http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=30001.msg602086#msg602086

Jack

 

[Jack Douglas]

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Anyone shooting video to create still photos is a hack. Your friend who is a "professional" will be out of business soon if this is how he/she operates. It often sounds like people take more pride in owning "the best" equipment than they do using it to create beautiful images.

I'm not sure how you can make such a blanket statement without knowing more details.

I'm not a huge fan of the idea of pulling stills from video, but I'm sure there are places where it would be a viable technique.

I tend to refrain from calling out someone as a hack until I see their work, and even then I'm not sure I'd blast it publicly. That's just me though.

The problem is you're a gentleman! And then there are the folk who just enjoy the effects of controversy and confrontation, which I must admit sometimes makes me laugh but often cringe, as you're alluding to here. Human behaviour is all over the map but I'm with you on this sort of thing. Let's be considerate!

Jack

 

[Jack Douglas]

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8bit 500mbps MJPEG is about 62.5 Mb/sec. That could work without CFast.
So for MJPEG that would allow just over 2Mb per 4k frame at 30fps.
In my experience 8+Mp images that are only 2Mb aren't that great.
Guess I'll wait to reserve judgement on the images but the spec isn't too exciting for 4k video shooters.

If it looks like some of the 1DX2 videos I've seen (which I Imagine it should) it will look fantastic.

Yes, but there was a quote I posted from a review site a while back that stated that while 4K was great, the HD results were poor. Not being well versed in video I didn't really get why that was the case so I'm still wondering. I'd be interested in further illumination.

Just hunted for it and here it is. There was a very thorough reply that made sense but it tends to go over my head at this point, not having been doing much video with the 6D.

http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=30001.msg602086#msg602086

Jack

Here is a summary quote from the review that really sounds bad.

"However, if you thought the Canon 1D X mark II was the next step in video evolution after the Canon 1D C, then you’d be disappointed. It looks as though the video features of the 1D C have been carried over to the 1D X mark II, the valuable log gamma was left behind and HD mode is now useless (Why, Canon, why???). At the end of the day there is little difference between the two cameras."

 

[nightscape123]

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So no new updates? We are getting pretty close here... Lenses? More specs? Anything?