We live in a world full of entitled ,whining little people.
Yep. I live north of Seattle. Tell me about it.
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We live in a world full of entitled ,whining little people.
People are saying "I am a photographer, I dont shoot video, I dont care”. Well I am truly happy for the ”I dont shoot video" photographers. Thank you for giving me an opening.
I am a photographer as well, but video makes me money, and it helps me to land photography jobs that others dont. The more things I can offer a client on a photo shoot the better.
Where I am from, alot of the professionals are older, they refuse to change and evolve, and complain that younger inexperienced guys are undercutting them. Nope we are just offering more, and bringing additional value to a client.
When a client, hires me for a shoot, and I able send them some additional bts footage etc I am increasing my chances of getting a call back and also I am wetting their appetite for more than just photos. Maybe next time they engage me for more than just photography. All other things video related that I can offer to clients increases my value to a production and therefore increases my income.
The overheating issue with the R5 and the R6 is that other activities also decrease its time before overheating, I have seen reviewers saying that after shooting stills only, when they switched to video the R5 immediately gave them an overheating warning. So I can infer, that alot of the overheating times we are seeing are best case scenarios, and the cameras actually perform much worse in real life scenarios where they arent starting from a completely cool starting point.
If I am at an outdoor wedding and I am primarily shooting stills, and I switch to capture some B roll transitions etc, I dont want to be in a rushed and tense situation where the camera is immediately threatening to shut off. The fact that this risk exist in the R5 is a failure. Simple. If you are a photographer that doesnt shoot video or doesnt offer these services, thank you, please remain exactly the way you are!
Sorry, I just couldn't resist it!Got my baby this morning: IT's A BOY!!!
Been playing around with it and I am really impressed! It's silent and lightweight!
thank you and yes I understand your concerns. I would still flag them to Canon
Using an atomos with the canons solves the problem i thought ?
Sony can’t do internal I thought for their higher bit rate modes either ?
so if you are factoring in an atomos then your r5/r6 is still viable perhaps? Not that I’m spending your money!
Its flawed, lol why else would people even entertain the fact that there maybe a recall or firmware updates to address issues. A company actually developed a "fan" to attach to the bloody thing... A blinking external fan!!! People are posting about mount adapters that can provide cooling... Its a joke, and people like you who dont hold a company to the fire for delivering a severely hampered product is why they can continually disappoint, because of you. When there are changes to the product and updates, it wont be because of you, it will be because of all the people you complain about. You are welcome.
Yes the atomos will extend record time, but spending a premium for a body in relation to its class competitors, then still have to buy an atomos for it just to avoid overheating. May as well buy the Z6 and Atomos. I do realize that I am in a unique position as I am completely overhauling my gear and not tied to brand loyalty because of legacy equip in my possession.
Z6 + Atomos and accessories = $2600
R6 Body only $2500
A7sIII = $3500
A7rII = $1000
R5 Body only $3900
Can confirm. Work in video. Have an Atomos Shogun in my personal kit and Ninja V at office.Z6....really? A7R2...REALLY? And you are comparing the Z6 or the A7r2 to the R5? Yeah Nikon was smart, they saw they were going nowhere in video and they just opened the doors to Atomos and external record making a bad camera for video suddenly look appealing. But you need to record almost 100% in MF because you can´t rely on AF of Nikon for video. You have a way worse 4k. You have way less photo capabilities....overall the Z6 is way worse than the R5. I mean....you just can´t compare!!! Not to talk about the Sony A7r2. I have a Sony A7r3 and there are likes and dislikes about the camera...About video it can produce very good video. But...It´s just not even near to this R5. I don´t know about the A7s3 but from what i´ve seen, it´s just as good or even a bit better than the EOS R5 for video. But it´s a videocentric camera, it must be! And it should be way better.
What is the problem of investing more 600$ in a external recording? Well I tell you this...Everyone, I mean....Everyone that is in video for real has an external recorder or at least an external monitor. So....What´s the big deal...And Ninja V is quite small and compact. If it solves your problems why not??
But if you think it´s too much money, than maybe the camera is out of your budget...Think like this....recording to an external record can save you a LOOTT of money in CFEXPRESS cards! SSD drives are way more cheaper than CFEXPRESS at this point. You can buy a 1TB SSD for about 200€ for 240€ you get a 128gb CFEXPRESS...
If you go buy the EOS R5 for video of course you have to make sure you can solve the potencial problems camera can have...And if using an external record solve a lot of problems.....Hell yeahh...!! Cheers
I also have the Shogun inferno i am just waiting for tomorrow to pair it with my R5. Share some infos on your setupCan confirm. Work in video. Have an Atomos Shogun in my personal kit and Ninja V at office.
My R5 comes today but the cable is still getting shipped from bh. The one I bought didnt have 4k support and my old cables were micro hdmi and not the mini the r5 supports.I also have the Shogun inferno i am just waiting for tomorrow to pair it with my R5. Share some infos on your setup
ok, stand corrected. Thanks for trying it.
so now you have a gpu which is as large? as the r5 with 2? fans and a tdp of around 280w which can do real-time 30p and by your timings do almost 60p (but not 120p nor 8k) No idea on the quality of your 30p vs r5.
pretty impressive what the r5 is doing in such a tiny space.
doesnt detract away from what people are saying about the overheating, just gives insight into the challenges and trade offs.
If I am at an outdoor wedding and I am primarily shooting stills, and I switch to capture some B roll transitions etc, I dont want to be in a rushed and tense situation where the camera is immediately threatening to shut off. The fact that this risk exist in the R5 is a failure. Simple. If you are a photographer that doesnt shoot video or doesnt offer these services, thank you, please remain exactly the way you are!
Z6....really? A7R2...REALLY? And you are comparing the Z6 or the A7r2 to the R5? Yeah Nikon was smart, they saw they were going nowhere in video and they just opened the doors to Atomos and external record making a bad camera for video suddenly look appealing. But you need to record almost 100% in MF because you can´t rely on AF of Nikon for video. You have a way worse 4k. You have way less photo capabilities....overall the Z6 is way worse than the R5. I mean....you just can´t compare!!! Not to talk about the Sony A7r2. I have a Sony A7r3 and there are likes and dislikes about the camera...About video it can produce very good video. But...It´s just not even near to this R5. I don´t know about the A7s3 but from what i´ve seen, it´s just as good or even a bit better than the EOS R5 for video. But it´s a videocentric camera, it must be! And it should be way better.
What is the problem of investing more 600$ in a external recording? Well I tell you this...Everyone, I mean....Everyone that is in video for real has an external recorder or at least an external monitor. So....What´s the big deal...And Ninja V is quite small and compact. If it solves your problems why not??
But if you think it´s too much money, then maybe the camera is out of your budget...Think like this....recording to an external record can save you a LOOTT of money in CFEXPRESS cards! SSD drives are way more cheaper than CFEXPRESS at this point. You can buy a 1TB SSD for about 200€ for 240€ you get a 128gb CFEXPRESS...
If you go buy the EOS R5 for video of course you have to make sure you can solve the potencial problems camera can have...And if using an external record solve a lot of problems.....Hell yeahh...!! Cheers
No, that's not what I am comparing. This was a follow up comment to another poster. To provide context what I am saying is the Z6 + Atomos is about the same cost of an R6 body alone. In fact I will say the Z6 + Atomos offers more value than the R6, when accounting for the ability to shoot raw and all the features of the Atomos including superb storage. But that again is just my opinion.
When looking at the R5, which sells at premium to the A7SIII, you can basically get the cheaper A7SIII a superior video camera and pair it with the 42mp A7RII, that combo is only a couple hundred dollars more than an R5 body alone. And you get best of both worlds, with lots less limitations.
No, that's not what I am comparing. This was a follow up comment to another poster. To provide context what I am saying is the Z6 + Atomos is about the same cost of an R6 body alone. In fact I will say the Z6 + Atomos offers more value than the R6, when accounting for the ability to shoot raw and all the features of the Atomos including superb storage. But that again is just my opinion.
When looking at the R5, which sells at premium to the A7SIII, you can basically get the cheaper A7SIII a superior video camera and pair it with the 42mp A7RII, that combo is only a couple hundred dollars more than an R5 body alone. And you get best of both worlds, with lots less limitations.
It's probably far too late for this, but the best solution for long high bit-rate record times is a dedicated heat sink. I think Canon might be better served in the long run by bringing two variants to market. Keep the weather sealed R5 and R6 as they are now with their modest recording times and market those to stills photographers. And then release video modified versions (RV5 and RV6 if you will) with a redesigned back to accommodate a vented heat sink (and fan possibly). The rear of the camera would probably look like the monstrously ugly Fuji GFX-50S, but it would certainly take care of the overheating issue.
Sidenote: Most of my jobs require two bodies at least.Then again, the R6 is very superior to the Z6. And then again, if you buy the R6 for video, you should always buy an external recorder. It just helps a lot!
From the other perspective, that´s why the R5 is so powerful you don´t need 2 bodies!! You can do everything with one body! And again....limitations are very, but VERY abstract! It can be a problem for some people...yes, but not for others. And let me remind that the A7s3 also overheats. Not like Canon, but it overheats in some occasions which is normal. But let me point some things about the A7r2. Crappy battery. Crappy body, crappy AF, crappy hardware. Sony has corrected most of the flaws of the R2 in the R3. So if you want to be effective in photos you must buy the R3. Unless your type of photo doesn´t require a good AF and you don´t care to carry 6 batteries.
The R5 is a beast for photos and video. And for my use it´s the perfect camera! Yes, we have potencialy overheating problems in video! And again yes, if I can solve them with an external record...I got a perfect camera!!