What is missing from the 7DII specs

[RS2021]

What can we "fairly" expect Canon to deliver?

If we assume that the pricepoint is ~$2000-$2200 body at intro but pre-destined to slide to the $1700-1800 after the initial rush...sounds low I know, but just watch (I can't entertain any scenario where this is over $2400 at intro), this is what I expect:

1) Higher ISO performance: 1 or 2 stops better from current version.
2) Same or similar MP ... 18 to 21. I would lean toward 18MP.
3) Same or similar number of AF points, sensitivity/ AF algorithims updated.
4) Same or similar fps (8 to 10?)
5) Single card possibly SD
6) Digic 5 or 5-plus, and a possibility of dual 5, probably more buffer
7) Wi-fi/GPS (not sure, 50/50 chance).

And you say, "So many 'same' or 'similar'!?"...and I say that these changes will be "qualitative" rather than than in "numbers". Like I said before, they may throw in a surprising bone here and there, but these are likely paltry.

Even if they mostly deliver on the ISO, it would be a highly deserving update. It is likely to be a better performing camera, not a better "spec"-ed camera.

 

[BruinBear]

F8 focussing would be most welcome, but I doubt it will happen....

I actually think this will probably happen. If the CR about the 6D firmware update allowing f/8 AF is correct, the i don't see why the updated 7D would not also have this. Especially since the 7D is billed as an action/sports cam.

 

[Jan van Holten]

More AF points would be welcome, but even more important, make it a wider AF -area then on the 1DX.
That is my complain about the 1DX, I would love the AF-area more stretched. Imagine this area like a rectangle, then I'am missing some points in the outer corners. That is based on my experience in the field.
A much better iso performance then de 7D would also be very welcome. And of course a reliable and fast autofocus.

 

[BrandonKing96]

Higher ISO - not as in 'available as a setting' but as in 'useable with low noise'. IMO this is unlikely unless Canon fundamentally changes their sensor fab tech, but at least 1-stop and preferably more. If ISO 8000 on a 7DII looks like ISO 3200 on the 7D, I'll most likely buy one. AF at f/8 and a multicontroller on the grip would cinch the deal.

+100000

19 point AF again? Really? I was hoping for something a little bit faster. Hopefully it's still adequate though.
And GPS and WiFi? Isn't that why the 6D doesn't have a pop-up flash? I'd really like a pop-up flash on this. Until only recently I've started using my pop-up flash on my 60D to trigger my 580EX II and I'm very pleased with the results.
And I thought an additional SD card slot could be possible. Oh well.
And definitely like Neuro said- Not better ISO as in being able to go up to 102.4K, but ISO that is usable at higher ISOs with less noise.

Hoping that when it comes out and I get a chance to test it, I'll buy it. In need of a faster crop camera to go with my 5D 3.

 

[PalmerWoodrow]

What about this basic, FREE-TO-IMPLEMENT feature?

An INTERVALOMETER. The lack of this basic, elementary feature is inexcusable in ANY camera today. Along with that, these cameras should have mirror lockup for multiple images: basically, a time-lapse mode where you set the intervalometer and the mirror stays up for the entire sequence. This is dead simple to implement, and yet year after year Canon fails to do it.

Beyond that, how about proper (real) downscaling of the image for video, instead of the hideous line-skipping? And a decent codec? Look at the BlackMagic camera. If these guys can put out a camera that records raw video at that price, Canon should be able to give us far less-pathetic video than their SLRs currently do. It may not be able to write raw data fast enough to a CF card, but we can do a lot better than 4:2:0 interframe-compressed crap at pitiful bitrates.

 

[Loswr]

More AF points would be welcome, but even more important, make it a wider AF -area then on the 1DX.
That is my complain about the 1DX, I would love the AF-area more stretched. Imagine this area like a rectangle, then I'am missing some points in the outer corners. That is based on my experience in the field.

The 1D IV and 7D are about tied for the broadest spread in both dimensions (relative to frame size). The 1D X has the same lateral spread as the 1D IV and 7D, and slightly less spread in the vertical dimension (about half a row shorter).

Basically, the 1D X is giving nearly the same spread (only the two points at the top/bottom of the 7D center column extend beyond the 1D X coverage), both have a point at the 'rule of thirds' intersections, and the 1D X rectangle's corners extend beyond the 7D's coverage, with the 1D X covering a larger area with a far more dense array.

 

[expatinasia]

Wonder if it will have a headphone socket, something the 1D X does not have (rather annoyingly).

Do we know what the read/write speeds will be? If it is the same as the 1D X then 1000X cards will be handy, and you can always use 64GB cards to capture around 2,600 raw images.

 

[RLPhoto]

Everything is good, just make it 1599$.

 

[rpt]

Everything is good, just make it 1599$.

+1

If ISO 25600 on it is anything like ISO 12800 on the 5D3, I'd be interested.

 

[siegsAR]

Everything is good, just make it 1599$.

Haha, this!

My vote is on the af and card but if we were to get a considered "slightly" tweaked 7D then atleast make it cheaper Canon!

 

[pwp]

Is this the 7DII? I doubt it. Relax. The good stuff is coming....

-PW

 

[drmikeinpdx]

I would ask for less noise in my RAW images, so maybe a better sensor design?

As for autofocus, I don't care too much how many points there are, I just want it to be accurate, like my 5D3.

My poor 7D just sits on the shelf since I got the 5D3, due to these two factors.

 

[bycostello]

nothing you should buy something else if it isn't right for you

 

[nicku]

I wonder who vote for higher ISO ( if the native is 100 - 25600 and can be expanded to 100k) ????

 

[RGF]

I wonder who vote for higher ISO ( if the native is 100 - 25600 and can be expanded to 100k) ????

Higher ISO is possible but at the expense of Resolution.

 

[Jan van Holten]

More AF points would be welcome, but even more important, make it a wider AF -area then on the 1DX.
That is my complain about the 1DX, I would love the AF-area more stretched. Imagine this area like a rectangle, then I'am missing some points in the outer corners. That is based on my experience in the field.

The 1D IV and 7D are about tied for the broadest spread in both dimensions (relative to frame size). The 1D X has the same lateral spread as the 1D IV and 7D, and slightly less spread in the vertical dimension (about half a row shorter).

Basically, the 1D X is giving nearly the same spread (only the two points at the top/bottom of the 7D center column extend beyond the 1D X coverage), both have a point at the 'rule of thirds' intersections, and the 1D X rectangle's corners extend beyond the 7D's coverage, with the 1D X covering a larger area with a far more dense array.

I,ve just returned from a trip to Kamchatka, Russia about three weeks ago. I was there to photograph the mighty Stellers Eagle. Often I place the subject in the upper part of the image and then I, am missing the row on top. Especially when using the AI-servo mode and a moving subject. I all the time select a focuspoint wich is best suitable for the composition. With the MARK4 the problem was less often there, but I'll like the much better quality of the 1DX. And I,ll try to avoid cropping as much as possible. I know I,am a bit cocky, but making the picture without optimizing it by cropping is the sport for me. It,s a bit like the Russians do, why make it easy when one can do it also in a difficult way????/

 

[RJ_IN_OZ]

They've got to seriously step up with the noise control on the 7Dii. I shoot a 7D and wont take it below ISO800 unless I really have to, ISO1600 starts to look dodgy and doesnt really allow aggressive post production. 8fps is as much as you really want unless you just want to fill up hard-drives.

I'm looking for some more AF points, although the 7D does have a good spread across the viewfinder an even better spread and increased number would allow more selective choice of a single point AF.

ISO 50 is a must have too. Too often i'm at f1.2 and having to think about an ND filter.

 

[nicku]

Lots of discussion about this spec. WOndering how the camera (granted this is a rumor and the camera is not real) could be improved.

I undecided between more AF Points and a second card slot. Thus I am allowing 2 votes per person (plus I live outside Chicago were everyone votes early and votes often).

If those specs will be materialized the things that ''I will miss'' are:

1. (and most important) 2 card slots ( 1 SD and 1 CF)
2. integrated battery grip ( like 1D series)
3. APS-H sensor

 

[Warninglabel]

As cell phone eat away sales from the low end of cameras, (Camera anywhere everywhere) and DSLR's not really improving over 4 years, other then Nikon, but they were far behind before the D800. I ready can't see why their's so little advancement in these cameras other then ISO and tracking. It's almost like they are trying to squeeze as must $$$ out of us, until they figure out the next big thing. I think Nikon is being more aggressive, if they really do have a cell phone camera coming out and it's good. It will help there top tier sales also and make them even more household name.

 

[Zv]

19 AF points?? No no no. We need some more!! And only one CF card slot? What the hell? Where's the SD slot like the 5D 3? And what was wrong with the weather sealing in the 7D?

I'd like to see a faster x sync speed and much better all round ISO performance. Especially ISO 100. It should be cleaner. I think wifi is more useful to me than gps. Now can you tether wirelessly to your laptop?? That would be cool.

Not that I was waiting for a 7D 2 as I only bought my 7D last year. No reason to upgrade really. The 6D got a lot of flak when we first heard about it and it turned out alrite. Maybe this will grow on us but theres nothin really ground breaking or exciting that has me jumping up and down with impatience.