What's Next? Lenses & Cameras

[nikkito]

Hell Yeah! Canon, keep them coming

 

[Justin]

I just think this thinking takes for granted that companies always follow the same gameplan. What we've learned from the last 5 months from CanoNikon is that they don't. They release models. Then leapfrog them. They retreat on some specs. Some specs get turned up to 11. Other fizzle at a 3 or 4. They don't add obvious enhancements (IS to a standard L zoom lens??) then add the enhancement in the strangest places (28 and 24mm non-L lenses??).

I think the whole thing is very unpredictable. All we have to go on are a couple of very good pictures taken int he field of a protoype (near finished) Canon model that looks like it merges the features of a the 7D and 5DII into one body. The rumors suggest 22-24 mpx. Why Canon wouldn't use it's 18mpx sensor it developed for the 1Dx, I have no idea. Why Canon wouldn't recognize the needs of a large segment of photographers and up the resolution beyond 21mpx meaningfully, I have no idea.

Why do either of these companies do what they do is in many ways beyond me. But I don't run them, make decisions for them, or even serve on any focus groups for them.

All I know is Nikon just released the camera I want and I preorderd. And Canon hasn't shown its cards.

Regarding bodies, what I hope Canon will do is to introduce two new bodies this year, and the rumours suggesting that there are different prototypes being tested make me hope this might even be the case - after all Canon probably realizes it cannot make everyone happy with a single offering.

So, if I speculate about what Canon might be offering in the $2700-$4500 range, this is what I would predict:

On one end there would be a high-MP camera for landscape/studio photographers, meant to compete against the new Nikon. As someone pointed out, a 40MP camera would also be the right size for 4x4 oversampling - very convenient for top-notch video performance. For this market, it should be possible to sacrifice high-ISO and FPS performance - that is not the primary need of the potential customers for this one.

The other camera would be the "junior" version of the 1DX - a little less of everything. Smaller body, single Digic, single card, 22 MPs, and maybe 6-7 fps, but with a much improved focus system compared to 5DII and a very-good high-ISO performance. Some people might see this as a FF upgrade for 7D users as well.

 

[seta666]

I want an APS-C body with 90 mpx to get the most of the EF-S 18-200 ;-) Just kidding!
As a macro photographer I have more than enough with 18/22 mpx FF, I wish the improvements come in the DR and ISO
Would love if they made a camera with real ISO 50 for ultra low noise
Regards

 

[necator]

I'm in for a 4k, 40mp, for $4k May change my mind if it doesn't have a raw codec. 4k doesn't mean anything to me if its highly compressed. I prefer raw 1080p over compressed 4k for sure.

Assuming the same compression-factor as for raw-images (5D 12,8MP -> ~11-12Mb raw-filesize) a single 4k-raw-frame would be around 8Mb times 24 frames per second would yield mind-bogging 192Mb/s. Even with dual-CF-cards still a challenge. Not to mention the processing-power needed therefore. I think, this won't be cheap. I think the 4k-raw will be someting for the C300 successor.

Also, I know this is a long shot and hasn't been mentioned at all, but if Canon could somehow squeeze in 120fps at full HD for us, that would be AWESOME

Again, assuming you are wishing for raw, HD means about 2Mb raw per frame, times 120 gives 240Mb/s. Draw your own conclusions.

 

[shorthand]

I did want to note quickly that the 24mm f/2.8 patent that was previously published was for a different lens.

• The patent had optical elements with an index of refraction that varied with the radius from center of the optical element. There is no evidence that this technology was applied to the just-announced 24mm f/2.8.
• The patented lens had no IS.

Instead, I don't think that the patent filings for the new 24mm f/2.8 IS and 28mm f/2.8 IS are public yet.

 

[Maestro]

Am i the only one who´s worried about the D800? People are selling their Canon gear like crazy, nobody even cares about what the 5dmk3 will be. Is the new D800 the end for Canon? What is this?? Why are canon releasing a new 24 and a new 28?? It´s the same! just walk two steps backwards or forwards. And a new 24-70 prised almost like the same as a 5d2 combined with the old 24-70! What is wrong with canon?? What are they doing? Wake up!

 

[torger]

Am i the only one who´s worried about the D800? People are selling their Canon gear like crazy, nobody even cares about what the 5dmk3 will be.

I doubt people are selling "like crazy" when Canon hasn't made their move yet. More than one body will likely appear, not only 5Dmk3.

I kind of like the theory of a lower cost all-around 5Dmk3 (baby 1DX, or basically a 5Dmk2 with good AF and improved ISO), and a more specialized and more expensive video high res studio / landscape camera (more expensive than D800 but a bit cooler specs, and less expensive than 1Ds/D3x were). It seems like that combo would please just about every forum-goer . I'd buy the high res one.

 

[keithfullermusic]

Am i the only one who´s worried about the D800? People are selling their Canon gear like crazy, nobody even cares about what the 5dmk3 will be. Is the new D800 the end for Canon? What is this?? Why are canon releasing a new 24 and a new 28?? It´s the same! just walk two steps backwards or forwards. And a new 24-70 prised almost like the same as a 5d2 combined with the old 24-70! What is wrong with canon?? What are they doing? Wake up!

Yeah, it's insane - people were flipping over cars and burning down buildings trying to find buyers for their Canon gear, but no one is buying!!! This is the end of Canon!!! OMG!!! The entire Canon company is going to go under because you don't like their newest three lenses!!!

 

[keithfullermusic]

yer dumb...

Take your name calling elsewhere, we don't need it here.

Woah. Wasn't being serious, just a joke.

Also, why don't you read where he posted the exact same thing in another part of the forum. There, people are passive aggressively saying that he is dumb. I am just jokingly saying upfront.

 

[hambergler]

Am i the only one who´s worried about the D800? People are selling their Canon gear like crazy, nobody even cares about what the 5dmk3 will be. Is the new D800 the end for Canon? What is this?? Why are canon releasing a new 24 and a new 28?? It´s the same! just walk two steps backwards or forwards. And a new 24-70 prised almost like the same as a 5d2 combined with the old 24-70! What is wrong with canon?? What are they doing? Wake up!

A lot of back and forth is good. The better Nikon does the better Canon has to put out to one up them.

I think neither company can put a crippled AF system in any of their FF bodies anymore and that is ultimately a good thing. I think if Canon is not putting there best foot forward (IE worrying about cannibalizing their own sales more than the competition) than they deserve to lose market share.

 

[Ziggy]

What about the 200-400 f4 with converter. Can we get this lens out of Africa, please

 

[chabotc]

What you're saying is: this is going to be an expensive year

Looking forward to all the new goodies, already pre-ordered the new 24-70 II, and can't wait to pre-order the 1D X - lots of fun stuff happening already and by the sound of things 'we've only just begun'

 

[anthros]

As for the mega pixel monster, I think it is going get a smaller number in front of the D, it might be 2, 3 or 4. Since 3D might be misleading <snip> my bets are on 4D. The smaller the number, the pricier. And if it really is the 4k cinema camera, 4D makes sense.

It's extremely unlikely that you'll see a camera called a 4D. The number 4 is strongly associated with death in many Asian cultures, including that of Japan. When I worked in Hong Kong, my hotel didn't have a 4th floor; the button panel in the elevator went 1-2-3-5-6[...] It's a lot like the number 13 in the US.

I suspect "3D" or maybe "1DSX" are more likely candidates. But does it really matter what Canon calls the camera? The photos I take with my 7D wouldn't look any worse (or better) if Canon instead named it the Barbie Super-Fun Photo Cam.

Jason

 

[DavidRiesenberg]

What about the 200-400 f4 with converter. Can we get this lens out of Africa, please

For probably 10k or so, it can stay there.

 

[pakosouthpark]

As for the mega pixel monster, I think it is going get a smaller number in front of the D, it might be 2, 3 or 4. Since 3D might be misleading <snip> my bets are on 4D. The smaller the number, the pricier. And if it really is the 4k cinema camera, 4D makes sense.

It's extremely unlikely that you'll see a camera called a 4D. The number 4 is strongly associated with death in many Asian cultures, including that of Japan. When I worked in Hong Kong, my hotel didn't have a 4th floor; the button panel in the elevator went 1-2-3-5-6[...] It's a lot like the number 13 in the US.

I suspect "3D" or maybe "1DSX" are more likely candidates. But does it really matter what Canon calls the camera? The photos I take with my 7D wouldn't look any worse (or better) if Canon instead named it the Barbie Super-Fun Photo Cam.

Jason

interesting thing. i guess 3D will be then. but i was hoping for a cheaper FF camera than the 5D but doesn't seem like it.. hope the 5D3 wont be a big different price from mk2.

 

[BJNY]

1.) I think that there will be one high mpx camera + I assume it will be the 4K with RAW video (which was also patented). It will be low fps, fewer AF points, video and studio focused camera. This could be 4000-4500 USD.

Why would Canon offer a 4K 40mpx camera for $4-5,000
when they just began selling their C300 for $16,000 ?

 

[mathino]

Why would Canon offer a 4K 40mpx camera for $4-5,000
when they just began selling their C300 for $16,000 ?

These are just my thoughts You are right in this case of C300, I've forgotten about it. But as I stated before, there is market for 40 mpx camera aimed for studio/landscape and video. Maybe just FHD.

Thank you for correction

 

[Maestro]

I´m sorry if things i said was upsetting to some, the thing is that i´m a very realistic person. I´m not a certain brand fanatic, though Canon is my first choice. The Nikon D800 has the same AF and metering system as the D4. 36mp and probably the best video from a dslr today. I have no doubts in my mind that Canon can make a camera just as good. But they need to hurry, they have to give us something to look forward to, not today not tomorrow, but yesterday. The sad part is that i know for a fact that a lot of people selling their canon gear and the reason is "swithing system" that´s what it says in their ads. Many doubt that Canon can match the D800. As we speak more and more are having thoughts of going to the other side. Canon should not take the D800 lightly. It´s just one camera, but it could destroy the Canon sales if Canon fails to reply right now! Show who´s boss. I always think realistic! Right now Canon is in a lot of trouble.

 

[phischeye]

It's extremely unlikely that you'll see a camera called a 4D. The number 4 is strongly associated with death in many Asian cultures, including that of Japan. When I worked in Hong Kong, my hotel didn't have a 4th floor; the button panel in the elevator went 1-2-3-5-6[...] It's a lot like the number 13 in the US.

That's very interesting, thank you for pointing that out. So what about all those f/4 lenses? Just kidding.

 

[jwphotography]

I can tell you this much for sure.... Canon WILL have a 36+ MP camera this year. Canon won't concede the MP race to Nikon. It may not be a 5D3/X, but there will be a high MP monster. I wouldn't be surprised if there's one without the AA filter like the D800E. That was no big surprise.

The question is, how will the current line of lenses fare under 36+ MP scrutiny? Not very well I think. That's why we are going to see a lot of new lenses.

I don't really get the new primes. f/2.8 isn't very fast, and IS isn't as needed at such short focal lengths. The 24-70 f/2.8L has always served my needs well enough. When it doesn't, that's what the f/1.4 primes are for. I just don't see the benefit of an f/2.8 prime unless it's TONS sharper than the fast zooms. Just my $.02.