Will the 70d have a new sensor?

[9VIII]

Source: Some photographing girl-&boyfriends from youth, when we studied at the art-school, working for an company that works for Canon. Yes, the 7D2 rumors say, that is has more MP. But is priced over the 5DIII.
70D: Let us see.... We will know in end of spring

Rumors from Japan:
70D 1200-1500€
7D2 might be over 2500-3000€!!!

The Japanese Rumors say that Canon was surprised about the specs of the Nikon D7100. The D7100 is better and cheaper than the 70D will be.

source?

canadian rumors say the 7D MK2 will have a new 28 MP sensor and canon was suprise the nikon D7100 can not match the 70D.

If the 7D II is 28 MP I will probably be keeping my 7D I. No need for a high MP monster with little or no improvement in noise.

And IMHO the 70D *could* get the same upgraded sensor as the 7D II, but there is no way it is going to get it first. If the first camera out is the 70D it will have the same old 18MP sensor. The 7D MK II will get any new sensor tech first.

If, and that's a big if, but if they price the 7D2 similar to the 5D3 I think they could get away with putting an APS-H sensor in it without de-valuing the 1D4 too much.

What would you say to a 28MP 7D2 with a bigger sensor?

I don't actually expect it to happen, but I think it would be a smart move.

 

[Canon-F1]

What would you say to a 28MP 7D2 with a bigger sensor?

I don't actually expect it to happen, but I think it would be a smart move.

well i could give you a dozend examples what would be a smart move.

including GPS or/and WIFI in the 700D would be a smart move.
would make the camera a real update over the 650D.

but hey this is canon we speak about!

 

[Canon-F1]

Will the 70d have a new sensor?

lets hope not:

Canon 550d - 18mp - DXO Mark sensor score: 66
Canon 600d - 18mp - DXO Mark sensor score: 65
Canon 650d - 18mp - DXO Mark sensor score: 62
Canon 700d - 18mp - DXO Mark sensor score: 5?
Canon 70d - 18mp - DXO Mark sensor score: 5?

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[RGF]

Sensor could be 18 MP to take advantage of their manufacturing expertise but have improvements in the micro lenses, electronics for better S/N, greater dynamic range, ...

 

[RGF]

Sensor could be 18 MP to take advantage of their manufacturing expertise but have improvements in the micro lenses, electronics for better S/N, greater dynamic range, ...

yep canon COULD haver done that in the past 4 years, but as you can see from the dxomark results, the trend is downwards.

Look carefully andyou will relatively flat response as lower priced cameras were introduced. Exception for Eos-M and 650D (T4i). The latter surprises me as I would have expect the 650D to be on par (at least) with the 600D.

Hopefully 70D and the 7Dii will be step up, but hoping does not produce great camera.

 

[Malte_P]

that annoys me.

even when the differences are not visible, canon should improve their sensors not make them worse. :-[

i guess as the new sensor has a wider hybrid AF area to cover the resulst will be again worse.

 

[Firebird]

I think Canon wants the sensor in the 70D to be a unique selling point compared to the T5i. I believe thats why they put the old 18mp sensor into the T5i while a new 18mp sensor is already available (SL1). I guess the 70D will get the new 18mp sensor.

 

[Don Haines]

Allow me to quote the lyrics from a Doris Day song....

Que sara sara, whatever will be will be, the future's not ours to see, que sera sera.

after i finish my tea, I'm going back out to shoot squirrels and chikadees.

 

[papa-razzi]

The only major flaw (as a sports/wildlife) of the current 7D is the sensor. I would upgrade to the 7DII if the camera was exactly the same, but had a new sensor with lower noise at higher ISO.

Therefore, introducing other features and leaving the sensor the same is pointless. I would suspect Canon fully knows this.

What I do believe (but hope not), is that the 7DII will be a significant improvement all the way around - but the price will be significantly higher. Therefore, out of reach for many of the current 7D owners, which will be dissapointing.

 

[Rienzphotoz]

Canon 550d - 18mp - DXO Mark sensor score: 66
Canon 600d - 18mp - DXO Mark sensor score: 65
Canon 650d - 18mp - DXO Mark sensor score: 62
Canon 700d - 18mp - DXO Mark sensor score: 5?
Canon 70d - 18mp - DXO Mark sensor score: 5?

DxO can take those scores and shove it in their pompous "you know wheres" ... I've seen far too many fantastic images made with every single one of those cameras, listed above, to not take DxO as the word of God.

 

[sdsr]

Canon 550d - 18mp - DXO Mark sensor score: 66
Canon 600d - 18mp - DXO Mark sensor score: 65
Canon 650d - 18mp - DXO Mark sensor score: 62
Canon 700d - 18mp - DXO Mark sensor score: 5?
Canon 70d - 18mp - DXO Mark sensor score: 5?

DxO can take those scores and shove it in their pompous "you know wheres" ... I've seen far too many fantastic images made with every single one of those cameras, listed above, to not take DxO as the word of God.

The fact that it's possible to take fantastic photos with a Rebel is not inconsistent with DXO's scores or the trend they imply, and hardly shows that there aren't better APS-C sensors out there.

 

[Rienzphotoz]

Canon 550d - 18mp - DXO Mark sensor score: 66
Canon 600d - 18mp - DXO Mark sensor score: 65
Canon 650d - 18mp - DXO Mark sensor score: 62
Canon 700d - 18mp - DXO Mark sensor score: 5?
Canon 70d - 18mp - DXO Mark sensor score: 5?

DxO can take those scores and shove it in their pompous "you know wheres" ... I've seen far too many fantastic images made with every single one of those cameras, listed above, to not take DxO as the word of God.

The fact that it's possible to take fantastic photos with a Rebel is not inconsistent with DXO's scores or the trend they imply, and hardly shows that there aren't better APS-C sensors out there.

So people can go buy those "better APS-C sensors out there" instead of cribbing here.

 

[ecka]

I just hope to see a new sensor in 7D2 first (Aug-Sep 2013) and then in 70D (may be next year). I don't really care about new crop DSLR, but if Canon puts something interesting into their EOS M successor then I may buy one.

 

[Rienzphotoz]

Canon 550d - 18mp - DXO Mark sensor score: 66
Canon 600d - 18mp - DXO Mark sensor score: 65
Canon 650d - 18mp - DXO Mark sensor score: 62
Canon 700d - 18mp - DXO Mark sensor score: 5?
Canon 70d - 18mp - DXO Mark sensor score: 5?

DxO can take those scores and shove it in their pompous "you know wheres" ... I've seen far too many fantastic images made with every single one of those cameras, listed above, to not take DxO as the word of God.

The fact that it's possible to take fantastic photos with a Rebel is not inconsistent with DXO's scores or the trend they imply, and hardly shows that there aren't better APS-C sensors out there.

yeah that argumentation from him is so stupid i don´t know what to say.

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Not as stupid as people cribbing & 8itching here instead of go buying what they feel is a better sensor i.e. do something about your so called "problem" instead of whining.

 

[Rienzphotoz]

well you know sh*t about what others do or not outside this forum.. are you?

???

 

[CarlTN]

I still say the "7D2" should get a sensor sized other than 1.6x crop. Whether that is "aps-h" or not, doesn't matter as much...as long as it's bigger than 1.6x. As I think I tried to post in one of these threads (but it seems to have been deleted or blocked...if it wasn't, I can't find it)...

What I would like to see, is a "1D Mark 5"...a "1Dx killer"...a crop camera whose sensor is bigger than 1.3x, but smaller than full frame. Say 1.17x...with pixels slightly smaller than the 1D4's. Its photosites were roughly equal to 25 mp if scaled to full frame.

So make this 1.17x sensor equal to 26 mp on a full frame...The width of the sensor would be roughly 31mm, and the actual pixel count would be roughly 19 MP, with frame pixel dimensions 5340 x 3560. This keeps the file size small enough for high speed shooting, and makes use of the best 90% of the lens' image circle...and even makes significant use of wide angle lenses. The total image dimensions allow for roughly 5% better cropping ability than the 1DX allows...and get a lot more than 5% of extra resolving power from even third party supertelephoto lenses...let alone the superlative Canon series 2.

With this, we get a slight crop factor and significantly more reach than even cropping a 5D3's full frame image, and yet we retain much larger pixels than anything in the 1.5x or 1.6x crop arena...for improved ISO noise and dynamic range. Yet the file size is only barely bigger than a 1DX file.

Why tie ourselves to "aps-h", when no lenses are specific to it? It used full frame lenses...

If Canon ever built my proposed "1D5"...I would sell everything I could part with, to buy it...even if it cost similar to a 1DX. Because, given some help with processing and perhaps improved sensor construction, hardware, and AD conversion and layout, etc...the image quality could conceivably be comparable, if not even exceed the 1DX.

This seems like the way to go, especially given the future 46 to 60 MP full frame 1 series body on the horizon. With it, there's no need to keep the sports/wildlife/action camera full frame...because the vast majority of the photography done with one, is not at 14 or 16mm.

 

[Rienzphotoz]

Rienzphotoz is the biggest Canon fanboy I have ever seen wow.

So claims the stalker :

 

[aj1575]

I'm still wondering what sensor will be in the 70D, and when it will come out. It is 2 1/2 years since the 60D came out, so the time would be okay. But who knows how Canons product-pipeline really looks like.
For the sensor, they are squeezing the last bit out of their 18MP APS-C sensor. It stayed basically the same since it came out in the 7D; this could mean that Canon needed its sensor development recources in other areas (a completly new APS-C sensor in 180nm technology). But the old sensor was "newly designed" for the SL1 with a new AF-System on it; this sensor is rumored to be used in the 70D, what would be a big dissapointment (except the sensor was improved in other ways, which I doubt).
To me it makes absolutly no sense to use this sensor in the new 70D; the IQ is just not up to date (look at the D5200 and D7100), why should Canon debut the redesigned sensor in the entry level SL1, and not the advanced amateur 70D? Why does it take them so long to introduce the 70D, when they use an "old" sensor?. As I said, it does not make sense to use the classic 18MP sensor in the 70D, but who knows what Canon is doing, and if they have some kind of problems with their new sensor, or if they are just taking their time to do it right.

I hope we will find out soon, otherwise I will got for the 7D L....

 

[CarlTN]

Aj1575, I'm beginning to think, as I have seen others say on here...that the reason Canon won't give us a great crop camera, is because they want you to buy a full frame camera, and L lenses. They gave us a great, low cost full frame camera (6D), and I guess they don't feel like ever giving us a low noise crop sensor. If they do, it just may well be priced out of its target user base.

I'm officially giving up on crop sensors, low noise or not...because the demand they put on lens sharpness and focus accuracy, are too high. Better results will always be achieved by a full frame with bigger pixels, bigger image circle, and bigger sensor...especially at the medium and wide focal lengths.

 

[pedro]

I'm still wondering what sensor will be in the 70D, and when it will come out. It is 2 1/2 years since the 60D came out, so the time would be okay. But who knows how Canons product-pipeline really looks like.
For the sensor, they are squeezing the last bit out of their 18MP APS-C sensor. It stayed basically the same since it came out in the 7D; this could mean that Canon needed its sensor development recources in other areas (a completly new APS-C sensor in 180nm technology). But the old sensor was "newly designed" for the SL1 with a new AF-System on it; this sensor is rumored to be used in the 70D, what would be a big dissapointment (except the sensor was improved in other ways, which I doubt).
To me it makes absolutly no sense to use this sensor in the new 70D; the IQ is just not up to date (look at the D5200 and D7100), why should Canon debut the redesigned sensor in the entry level SL1, and not the advanced amateur 70D? Why does it take them so long to introduce the 70D, when they use an "old" sensor?. As I said, it does not make sense to use the classic 18MP sensor in the 70D, but who knows what Canon is doing, and if they have some kind of problems with their new sensor, or if they are just taking their time to do it right.
I hope we will find out soon, otherwise I will got for the 7D L....
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Canon's sensor technology is old, Canon has refined its technology over the years , increased resolution and maintained signal / noise ratio by increasing the permeability of their color filters and improved micro lenses.
Now there's not much more for Canon to refine, they need a new technique / sensor where they abandon long analog signal paths ways to ADC.

Text by Pedro
As far as the last rumors mentioned, according to this the 70D might have a new sensor...
http://www.canonrumors.com/page/2/
http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=13686.0