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    Maybe we have already talked about the Cinema EOS C5, when it was the Cinema EOS C50?

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    cinemaeosc50 - Maybe we have already talked about the Cinema EOS C5, when it was the Cinema EOS C50?

    Yesterday I posted about a rumored Canon Cinema EOS C5, and mentioned it was the first time that I had heard about such a camera. I may have been wrong about that once I dug back on past Cinema EOS C50 reports from back in 2020.

    Original Cinema EOS C50 Patent Images

    The original rumored specifications were impressive at the time, but less so in 2022. There is a chance that the EOS C50 may have morphed into a different product, namely the EOS C5.

    Canon Cinema EOS C50 (Rumored in 2020)

    • Super 35mm 4K sensor (same as the Cinema EOS C200)
    • No IBIS
    • RF Mount
    • Internal ND (10 Stops)
    • CLog 2 & CLog 3
    • 4:2:0 8bit internally onto SD cards up to 4K60 & 1080/120
    • 4:2:2: 10bit external in HD
    • No RAW
    • Dual LP-E6NH battery slot

    Canon Cinema EOS C5 (Rumored in 2021)

    • The camera is a combination of the EOS R5 C and EOS C300 III, similar in appearance to the EOS R5 C, but more square, with the electric ND filter of the EOS C300 III, the professional interface of the EOS C70, and an extended battery compartment.
    • Its XF-AVC recording format is the same as the EOS C70, but it uses a modified version of the EOS R5 C’s CMOS sensor with a total of 22.5 megapixels.
    • With a sampling resolution of 8192×2160, it is capable of perfect oversampling to 4K 120fps, making it Canon’s current 4K 120fps product with the best image quality.
    • When the frame rate is reduced to 72fps or less, DGO mode is turned on to provide a higher dynamic range.
    • Unlike the current EOS C70, it does not offer RAW recording for now.
    • Full pixel QPAF, and RAW internal recording in subsequent firmware.
    • In terms of photography, it no longer offers a mechanical shutter and is replaced by in-body stabilization.

    Newer patents have shown these images of a Canon box camera design.

    I have previously reported that products have been canceled due to the pandemic. I imagine products Canon believed in have probably gone back to the engineers to develop the technologies to match the year they eventually come to market. Canon would also have more market data and customer feedback collected during all of the delays in products.

    I think there has been enough smoke about this type of product from Canon for it to be a coming product. Whether it's called the EOS C5, EOS C50, or perhaps both, I hope to learn more about in the next little while and put it all together.

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    1. This is exactly the type of camera I wish Canon would make.

      The R5 and R5C are both excellent hybrid video cameras but I would love a video only version just like this.

      Canon's verson of the FX6 or Komodo.
    5. They mentioned that it would have:
      • Full pixel QPAF, and RAW internal recording in subsequent firmware.
      That's the first I've heard of them delivering QuadPixel AF in a camera. Maybe it's been in other cameras they have? - I don't know. But I would really like to buy a Canon R hybrid camera with QuadPixel AF. Bring it on, Canon!
    6. "
      • In terms of photography, it no longer offers a mechanical shutter and is replaced by in-body stabilization."
      I think that would be a first amongst the box cameras. All of the available ones that I know of have done away with IBIS. It would certainly make it unique.
    7. The patent drawings for the C5 look exactly like the Red Komodo. I mean, if you told me those were sketches of the Komodo, I'd believe you. Everything from the top-mounted screen to the dual battery mount on the back.
    8. The patent drawings for the C5 look exactly like the Red Komodo. I mean, if you told me those were sketches of the Komodo, I'd believe you. Everything from the top-mounted screen to the dual battery mount on the back.
      Haha was thinking the exact same thing. Just rotated the battery slots 90 degrees.
    9. The patent drawings for the C5 look exactly like the Red Komodo. I mean, if you told me those were sketches of the Komodo, I'd believe you. Everything from the top-mounted screen to the dual battery mount on the back.
      Lets hope thats why it disappeared from the rumour sites as it basically looked like a camera from RED and the designers had to go back to the drawing board as I really want this camera to be real.
    10. no one really talked about how the R5C 4k120 mode is oversampled from 8k. that's a major advantage over the R5 4k120 (though I think the R5 4k120 is still beautiful). the R5C also has true 120 fps video with audio rather than the R5 which has no audio and which is formatted to 30 fps.
    11. They mentioned that it would have:
      • Full pixel QPAF, and RAW internal recording in subsequent firmware.
      That's the first I've heard of them delivering QuadPixel AF in a camera. Maybe it's been in other cameras they have? - I don't know. But I would really like to buy a Canon R hybrid camera with QuadPixel AF. Bring it on, Canon!
      Except it would only be available when shooting 720@30 with a crop, because ... Canon

      Having said that I think CR might be onto some thing here.
    12. no one really talked about how the R5C 4k120 mode is oversampled from 8k. that's a major advantage over the R5 4k120 (though I think the R5 4k120 is still beautiful). the R5C also has true 120 fps video with audio rather than the R5 which has no audio and which is formatted to 30 fps.
      The R5C does not oversample 4K120p.

      The R5C does oversampled 4K and 2K from 8K up to 60p however and it does offer audio recordings in all modes, including 4K120p.
    14. The resolution makes no sense. At 8192×2160 that’s 4:1 aspect ratio. What standard is that?
      It can be speculated that the QPAF subpixels are square, but arranged in groups or 2 (and not 4).
    15. This is the camera I was waiting for all along, the ergonomics are correct for me, and the R5C was going to fill that missing slot. I opted out on that camera though, so hopefully we will get to see this option very soon.
    18. Guys, seriously! Is there any future in those toys when unreal engine 5 ( or 6) will take over the visual industry
      I follow the state of what they are doing with UE quite closely. I think you underestimate the limitations and costs of building those studios and what goes into the design and programming of the content. Then if you are going to have real actors you still have to shoot it. UE definitely has it's uses but won't replace cameras in my life time. Not every one is shooting Marvel crap.

      If you want a parallel look to the music business where eliminating artists and replacing them with producers and computers has completely destroyed the business. 70-80% of all music sold used to be new music. Now it is down in the 20% range. There is a reason why the media companies will pay $1B for Springsteen's catalog or hundreds of millions for Dylan's.

      "Today's music ain't got the same soul" - Bob Seger
    19. That 8K sampling is typo, but another R5 crop sensor derivative (like the RED Komodo) would make a lot of sense.
      Canon S35 sensors have a crop around 1.43x
      So, if they keep the 3:2 aspect ratio for stills usage, it would be a 5.7K sensor

      5728x3820 = 21.9 effective megapixels for stills.
      Rolling shutter would be around 11ms (at least without DGO, that feature also seems confusing).

      With IBIS and an ND filter, it would look mighty appealing.

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