Facebook Twitter Instagram
    Canon Rumors – Your best source for Canon rumors, leaks and gossip
    • Home
    • Forums
    • Media
    • Contact
    Canon Rumors – Your best source for Canon rumors, leaks and gossip
    Home»Canon Business General»Canon Attempts New Supertele Patents
    svg+xml;base64,PHN2ZyB2aWV3Qm94PScwIDAgNzI4IDEwMjQnIHhtbG5zPSdodHRwOi8vd3d3LnczLm9yZy8yMDAwL3N2Zyc+PC9zdmc+ - Canon Attempts New Supertele Patents

    Canon Attempts New Supertele Patents

    By TigMarch 23, 2022Updated:March 23, 202292 Comments2 Mins Read Canon Business General
    Share
    Facebook Twitter LinkedIn Pinterest Email

    Several new catadioptric designs (commonly referred to as “mirror” lenses) appeared in a patent application to Japanese authorities, including a 1200mm f/8 and an 800mm f/5.6.

    First called out in a post on An Image on a Sensor, the embodiments show typical “mirror lens” construction, but with a larger-than-typical number of lens groups and elements extending from the mirror optical tube, back toward the sensor.

    This may imply a much higher level of aberration correction than is normal in this type of lens. Most catadioptric lenses built for cameras are attempts to get at large focal lengths as cheaply as possible, and the catadioptric design allows for more light gathering with less glass.

    And they typically have less length, too. Because the mirror design causes the light to double-back on itself a couple times, these lenses are shorter than other types of designs. The 800mm f/5.6 embodiment of this new patent application, for example, has a lens length of only about 13 inches. Lenses typically add a little bit of length in actual production, but this 800mm lens would likely appear as an extremely-wide lens about the length of the old EF 70-200 f/2.8, with perhaps an inch or two added.

    Canon had a range of mirror-based lenses previously.

     

     

     

    Go to discussion...

    Share. Facebook Twitter Pinterest LinkedIn Tumblr Email
    Previous ArticleCanon releases firmware updates for the EOS R5 and EOS R6
    Next Article More, Cheaper CFexpress Cards for High-End Canon Bodies

    Related Posts

    The end of an era. DPReview.com will shut down next month

    March 21, 2023

    Canon lays out their corporate strategy

    March 11, 2023

    Canon releases financials for the full year 2022

    January 31, 2023

    The Canon EOS R6 Mark II will be announced alongside a Canon RF 135mm f/1.8L IS USM

    October 27, 2022

    Deal Zone: Lensbaby Burnside 35mm f/2.8 for Canon EF and RF $299 (Reg $499)

    October 24, 2022

    DXO launches PhotoLab 6 with next-level noise reduction and AI technology

    October 4, 2022

    92 comments

    1. calfoto
      March 23, 2022 at 8:40 pm
      I'm wondering if that would also be AF, possibly with additional ILIS?

      The patent drawing does have a lens group labeled "Lis" - Lens Image Stabilization perhaps?

      Lens group "Lfo" Lens Focus perhaps?
      • Reply
      • 0
    2. AlanF
      March 23, 2022 at 8:51 pm
      I'm wondering if that would also be AF, possibly with additional ILIS?

      The patent drawing does have a lens group labeled "Lis" - Lens Image Stabilization perhaps?

      Lens group "Lfo" Lens Focus perhaps?
      There is also a heading "Reflex lens with IS and an iris from CANON" so it does have IS.
      • Reply
      • 0
    3. mxwphoto
      March 23, 2022 at 8:54 pm
      The 800mm f3.8 weighed 33lb. Wonder what a new f5.6 would weigh... Would have to be at most around 4-5lb to make sense as rf version is 6.9lb.
      • Reply
      • 0
    4. Stig Nygaard
      March 23, 2022 at 9:32 pm
      I haven't studied details from the sources, but at a first look, this looks very much like same patents as reported by Canon Rumors back in May 2021 ??? :

      www.canonrumors.com

      Patent: Is Canon planning to release catadioptric (mirror) super telephoto lenses?

      Keith over at Northlight uncovered a USPTO patent showing various optical designs for catadioptric lenses, better known as mirror lenses. The advantages to mirr
      www.canonrumors.com
      • Reply
      • 0
    5. LSXPhotog
      March 23, 2022 at 10:02 pm
      It bothers me that resources are being used to design lenses like this...I don't know why, but it does. LOL
      • Reply
      • 0
    6. jam05
      March 24, 2022 at 1:54 am
      Another Canon subject. For those interested. Canon has released the C70 firmware udate with Cinema RAW Light

      Canon Support for EOS C70 | Canon U.S.A., Inc.

      Find support for your Canon EOS C70. Browse the recommended drivers, downloads, and manuals to make sure your product contains the most up-to-date software.
      www.usa.canon.com www.usa.canon.com
      • Reply
      • 0
    7. [email protected]
      March 24, 2022 at 2:12 am
      I haven't studied details from the sources, but at a first look, this looks very much like same patents as reported by Canon Rumors back in May 2021 ??? :

      www.canonrumors.com

      Patent: Is Canon planning to release catadioptric (mirror) super telephoto lenses?

      Keith over at Northlight uncovered a USPTO patent showing various optical designs for catadioptric lenses, better known as mirror lenses. The advantages to mirr
      www.canonrumors.com

      Tig to Stig: that's a good find. I saw that too. This is a different set of patents, the biggest difference being that these new ones appear to be more an attempt at a higher-end image quality. Those earlier patent designs show almost no correction, and the "sea grass" graphs show very poor edge aberrations.
      • Reply
      • 0
    8. sanj
      March 24, 2022 at 2:41 am
      It bothers me that resources are being used to design lenses like this...I don't know why, but it does. LOL
      I would be interested in the 1200.
      • Reply
      • 0
    9. Maximilian
      March 24, 2022 at 6:25 am
      I wonder, if Canon can manage the typical trade offs of such a catadioptric design.
      (bad contrast, low resolution to the edges, "halo" in the center, bad bokeh).
      :unsure:
      • Reply
      • 0
    10. masterpix
      March 24, 2022 at 6:34 am
      Continue reading...
      I that will be within a reasonable pricing that would be great for wild-life. But I wonder, between the 1000$ of the f11 and the 20,000$ of the f5.6 these 800mm and 1200mm has a HUGE price margin.
      • Reply
      • 0
    11. 2 cents
      March 24, 2022 at 6:35 am
      It bothers me that resources are being used to design lenses like this...I don't know why, but it does. LOL
      Yes, it bother me too. I'm sure these will be better but mirror lenses are notoriously fragile, fixed aperture, and ugly donut bokeh.

      They had the brilliant EF400mm f5.6L. Light, superb optics, and affordable. The closes they have now is the 100-500mm zoom, which I'd always use on the tele end, unnecessarily heavier, more expensive. And f7.1.

      Really wish they come up with the something like the Sony 200-600mm. Serious stuff but not costing as much as a sedan.
      • Reply
      • 0
    12. AlanF
      March 24, 2022 at 7:33 am
      Yes, it bother me too. I'm sure these will be better but mirror lenses are notoriously fragile, fixed aperture, and ugly donut bokeh.

      They had the brilliant EF400mm f5.6L. Light, superb optics, and affordable. The closes they have now is the 100-500mm zoom, which I'd always use on the tele end, unnecessarily heavier, more expensive. And f7.1.

      Really wish they come up with the something like the Sony 200-600mm. Serious stuff but not costing as much as a sedan.
      The EF 400mm f/5.6 L was not cheap when it was introduced some 25 years ago. The RF 100-500mm is in a different league in terms of its versatility. The EF 100-400mm L was a far more useful lens and pretty close optically, and the Mk II is in a different league. The RF 100-400mm is pretty close optically, half the weight and half the cost. I have had all of these lenses, and the 400/5.6 is the bottom of my personal list. And if you are worried about weight, the Sony 200-600mm is much heavier than the 100-500mm, and feels even heavier because of its length.
      • Reply
      • 0
    13. scyrene
      March 24, 2022 at 9:42 am
      I find it slightly amusing (bemusing?) that one of the commonest criticisms of Canon over the years has been their perceived 'lack of innovation' or conservatism, and yet when patents show them considering novel approaches, people say they should just offer what their competitors produce.
      • Reply
      • 0
    14. Kit.
      March 24, 2022 at 10:55 am
      Could those be for surveillance applications, where bokeh doesn't matter that much?
      • Reply
      • 0
    15. Antono Refa
      March 24, 2022 at 11:50 am
      It bothers me that resources are being used to design lenses like this...I don't know why, but it does. LOL
      I think this is inevitable.

      The compact cameras market is practically gone, and ILC camera market is shrinking quickly. Smartphone cameras are getting better, including focal length, e.g. Samsung's moon zoom on Galaxy S2x, though I'm not going to argue for the image quality*. One way to increase the pie is getting cheap small lenses that offers abilities not available till now, such as the RF 16mm which requires correction on a computer, and long focal mirror lenses.

      I wouldn't bet too much money on this patent becoming a lens, but I understand the motivation.

      * If anyone wants to compare, I can shoot the moon with an S21 on the weekend, or when its full on April 16th, and share the images.
      • Reply
      • 0
    16. AlanF
      March 24, 2022 at 12:47 pm
      I think this is inevitable.

      The compact cameras market is practically gone, and ILC camera market is shrinking quickly. Smartphone cameras are getting better, including focal length, e.g. Samsung's moon zoom on Galaxy S2x, though I'm not going to argue for the image quality*. One way to increase the pie is getting cheap small lenses that offers abilities not available till now, such as the RF 16mm which requires correction on a computer, and long focal mirror lenses.

      I wouldn't bet too much money on this patent becoming a lens, but I understand the motivation.

      * If anyone wants to compare, I can shoot the moon with an S21 on the weekend, or when its full on April 16th, and share the images.
      Better to shoot half moon as the shadows show up craters and mountains. Full moon is often featureless. Please shoot it.
      • Reply
      • 0
    17. Del Paso
      March 24, 2022 at 1:45 pm
      Could those be for surveillance applications, where bokeh doesn't matter that much?
      Trouble is you can see these catadioptric lenses from far away, mirrors reflect...
      Surveillance, why not, but only if being visible doesn't matter. Definitely no lenses for spying activities... ;)
      • Reply
      • 0
    18. Antono Refa
      March 24, 2022 at 5:05 pm
      Better to shoot half moon as the shadows show up craters and mountains. Full moon is often featureless. Please shoot it.
      It would be half full in a couple of days, will shoot then.
      • Reply
      • 0
    19. entoman
      March 24, 2022 at 5:23 pm
      I wonder, if Canon can manage the typical trade offs of such a catadioptric design.
      (bad contrast, low resolution to the edges, "halo" in the center, bad bokeh).
      :unsure:
      Donut bokeh is liked by some people for "artistic effect" but to me it always looks just plain ugly.
      It's inherent with catadioptric designs, AFAIK there's no way to hide or minimise the effect.

      Personally I'd *much* rather Canon brought out a lightweight "telescopic" 800mm F8, along similar lines to the RF 600mm F11 and RF 800mm F11 designs. Such a lens would probably be cheaper and lighter than this catadioptric 800mm F5.6, it wouldn't have ugly bokeh, and it would be far more useful for bird photography.

      It would be interesting to know which of these designs would appeal most to sports photographers - 800mm F5.6 catadioptric, or 800mm F8 telescopic?
      • Reply
      • 0
    • 1
    • 2
    • 3
    • 4
    • 5
    • Next »

    Leave a comment

    Please log in to your forum account to comment

    • Facebook 105K
    • Twitter 65.7K

    Subscribe to our newsletter

    Get the latest news to your inbox

    Resources

    Third-party lenses for the Canon RF mount

    January 19, 2021

    Canon RF lens roadmap

    November 9, 2020
    Latest Announcements

    Canon announces EOS Webcam Utility Pro subscription service

    November 9, 2022

    Preorder: Canon EOS R6 Mark II, Canon RF 135mm f/1.8L IS USM & Canon Speedlite EL-5

    November 1, 2022

    Canon officially announces the Canon EOS R6 Mark II, Canon RF 135mm f/1.8L IS USM and Canon Speedlite EL-5

    November 1, 2022

    Venus Optics officially announces the Laowa Argus RF 25mm f/0.95 for APS-C

    October 25, 2022
    Latest Reviews

    Review: Canon RF 15-30mm F4.5-6.3 IS STM

    September 13, 2022

    Review: Canon RF-S 18-45mm F4.5-6.3 IS STM

    July 20, 2022

    Review: Canon RF-S 18-150mm F3.5-6.3 IS STM

    July 20, 2022

    OpticalLimits reviews the Canon EOS RF 16mm F2.8 STM

    February 21, 2022
    Canon EOS R1 Rumor Round-up

    Canon EOS R5 Mark II to arrive before EOS R1? [CR2]

    February 20, 2023331

    There have been some rumblings about a follow-up to the brilliant Canon EOS R5, and…

    The Canon EOS R1 may not come until 2024

    November 10, 2022

    We haven’t forgotten about the Canon EOS R1, and you probably haven’t either [CR2]

    September 22, 2022
    Canon EOS R5 S Rumor Round-up

    EOS R camera between EOS R7 and EOS R10 coming [CR3]

    November 28, 202292

    It feels like the old days again, as numerous camera rumors continue to flow in.…

    Canon is gearing up to finally release a high megapixel camera with 100+ megapixels [CR3]

    May 26, 2022

    A high megapixel camera is coming [CR2]

    February 21, 2022
    Canon EOS R50/R100 Rumor Round-up

    Stock Notice: Canon EOS R50 Body & Kits at B&H Photo

    March 16, 20234

    B&H Photo has somewhat limited stock of the brand new Canon EOS R50 in body…

    After almost 30 years, Canon is ending the “Kiss” branding in Japan

    February 9, 2023

    Preorder the new Canon Gear

    February 8, 2023
    Facebook Twitter RSS Discord
    © 2023 Canon Rumors hosting is fully managed by Host Duplex | Design & community services from Audentio

    Type above and press Enter to search. Press Esc to cancel.