StaffordPrVa said:

It’s obvious to me that there seems to be a market for a high MP body with built-in grip (and a longer lasting battery life).

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The question is not whether or not there’s a market…it’s how big that market is, and whether that is sufficient to make such a camera profitable for Canon. I’d buy one. Presumably so would you, and maybe a few other forum members who have expressed interest. Selling a handful of cameras constitutes ‘a market’…but it’s not a very big one.

Since the market is so obvious to you, would you care to state the projected size of that market? Canon originally estimated the R1 would sell about 45,000 units per year. How would this hypothetical R1s or R3s compare? On what data would you base your projection?

Canon is far more likely than us to know the size of the market for such a camera. As pointed out earlier in this thread, Fuji made a high MP gripped body and when they upgraded it they eliminated the grip. That seems like a clue about the market demand for such a camera (though Canon and Fuji are at opposite ends of the market share spectrum with a different customer base).

Thank you to everyone for information about tripods!

Regardless of commercial success (relatively speaking) or not, I would love to see those materialize.
They would bring some "sparkle" to Canon's RF lens lineup, showing that Canon still dares to be bold.

Or just give me my 35 1.2 darn it!

mimbu said:

I'm sure Sigma will bring something similar to mirrorless, it would pair well with their 300-600/4.

Unfortunately with both Canon and Nikon apparently terrified of Sigma, Sony limiting everything 3rd party to 15fps, and Panasonic still without tracking AF, there isn't any camera that can take full advantage of either lens. At least not yet.

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Wild guess: Sigma is more than "thinking" about introducing a professional L-mount camera. I think they are actively working on it and it'll (update: be FF, )cost about $3000, and have about 30MP and world class focusing. Will they also introduce a cheaper version with an APS-C sensor? Who knows but they should.

How coincidental! I was just dreaming about this yesterday!

I really like the stream. Nicely done, dpc.

P-visie said:

It was even better tan 300mm f2, it was f1.8. The lens was used for photo finishes in horse races

See: https://petapixel.com/2017/04/27/canon-300mm-f1-8-yes-monster-lens-exists/

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Oh yeah, forgot about that. Been a while!

I've seen both the EF 1200/5.6 and the Nikkor 1200-1700/5.6-8, and several of the Nikon 300/2 lenses (with their special TCs), and oddball stuff like the Reflex-Nikkor 2000/11, but have not seen one of the 300/1.8Ls. Pretty rare beast.

Bob Howland said:

Any word about a built-in TC plus taking an external 1.4X TC? Sigma made three generations of 120-300 f/2.8 zooms for DSLRs and I'm surprised they haven't made one for mirrorless cameras.

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I'm sure Sigma will bring something similar to mirrorless, it would pair well with their 300-600/4.

Unfortunately with both Canon and Nikon apparently terrified of Sigma, Sony limiting everything 3rd party to 15fps, and Panasonic still without tracking AF, there isn't any camera that can take full advantage of either lens. At least not yet.

The Englishman River, Vancouver Island...

Any word about a built-in TC plus taking an external 1.4X TC? Sigma made three generations of 120-300 f/2.8 zooms for DSLRs and I'm surprised they haven't made one for mirrorless cameras.

I guess I would be one of the few who would trade my R5II with grip for a R3II with high MP. My R5II is backup to my R1…. with two different body configurations and different batteries. For those who do not like grips on their high MP cameras, they have the R5…. so why are there three variants of grips for the R5? It’s obvious to me that there seems to be a market for a high MP body with built-in grip (and a longer lasting battery life). I’m currently considering purchasing a Hasselblad X2D II for the high MP (more than 45 MP), but would rather purchase a R3II with high MP instead (more than 45 MP)….. but would settle for 35 MP. That’s my two cents.

I’m am always looking for a high MP Canon. 45MP is perhaps enough but I’d be stupid enough to buy a higher MP model. Maybe it’s a hangover from 10 to 12 MP days . There was never enough. I think some commentators said they expected a higher MP R5 version. I’d be fine with that. Would it not be easier in an R3 body, more space for chips, more heat dissipation, more rugged body. If they did do a high MP R3 I’d buy it. I might be alone but it would be perfect for me. I love detail.

David_B said:

Do you meant to say that the RF 45mm doesn't need software to correct its image? Otherwise I'm perplexed about what's special about lenses from the 1990s-2000s.

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I was not praising the 45mm

scyrene said:

The R5 (and mark II) reportedly has roughly the same resolving power as the 5DsR, even if it has a slightly lower MP count.

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Hmm sort of, and not quite. The R5ii and all of the stacked sensors from Canon seem to be resolving detail from the sensor at a lower level than their previous non stacked version yeilded, for the same megapixel count.
If we compare sensor resolution tests from https://www.optyczne.pl/testy_aparatów.html, we can see the R1 and R3 resolve less detail than R6mkII.
The R6II and R5 resolved detail far higher than their DSLR counterparts. With the R5, it;s sensor out resolves both the 5DS, and the 5DSR. The R5's 45mp sensor gives a score of 82 against the 5DSR's score of 79, the 5Ds with a score of 67. So the R5 does resolve slightly more detail for it's lower pixel count than the mighty R5sr.
The R6ii yields a suprisingly high score of 64, which means the R6ii's 24mp sensor is resolving nearly the same level of detal (but not quite) than the 5Ds's 50mp....that's a stunning result and shows that there is more to resolving power than it's pure pixel count.
45mp in the R line up seems to trump 50mp from the older EF lineup and is the current highest detail resolver of any full frame Canon camera. The R7 is the highest Canon resolver of MFT50 charts at a stunningly high 92 value.
We have yet to see the sensor test results for the new R6iii, with it's 33.5mp non stacked sensor. It should theoretically close the gap between the R5 original and the R6ii. I'm predicting a score of around 72 (matching the Sony A7 IV's 33mp score). This easily out resolves the 5Ds but not quite the 5Dsr.
However, things seem to go a bit awry with Canon's stacked sensors. The R5ii's sensor yeilds a suprisingly low value of 76. Which is suprisingly lower than the R5's value of 82.
It means that the projected R6iii's value is very close to the current R5ii. It is quite likely that the real world detail resolution for the R6iii matches the R5ii. 33mp non stacked sensor matching the detail of the 45mp stacked sensor. Meaning that the only virtue of the R5ii is it's stacked sensor.
The R1 has a value of 59 and the R3 a very low 53, both lower than the R6ii's value of 64. The R3 by a significant amount.
So disgregard anyone saying that the R1 and R3's files are better than the R6ii...clearly (pun intented) they are not.

Summary of findings:
The highest resolving camera by Canon: R7 by some margin.
The highest resolving full frame camera by Canon: R5
A suprising result from the low pixel count R6ii (this has validated something I've been saying for a while)
A dissapointing result from the R5ii, R3 and R1 cameras, which all carry a stacked sensor.

I suspect that Canon can mitigate this lower stacked sensor detail resolution but designing a new breed of AA filters that are fine tuned for the stacked sensor depth and not re-using the same spec / design of AA filter employed on their non stacked sensor cameras. It's this AA sensor that allows the 45mp R5 to eclipse the higher 50mp 5Ds in it's MFT50 score.

However, in the past we all managed to produce customer happy professional images on cameras giving MFT50 results in the 45 scores....so take these results with a pinch of salt, becuase a good photo is always a good photo regardless of how much detail it's resovled.

It also means that have have clear detail MFT chart guidance to lens MFT chart paring. A RF 200-800mm lens will be soft at the long end on a R7, slightly soft on a R5, but banging sharp on a R5ii. The R5ii's Sensor will be less resolved than the lens.
This is food for thought if Canon ever makes a 60+ mp Sensor, depending on the AA filter...we might have a camera that out resolves all of the current RF lenses except for the big whites, the RF 135L and the two Z lenses. If that hyperthetical camera ever came out, then we would need to stop down all of our lenses by at least a stop to optically out resolve the sensor...or really spank up our post production sharpening routines to compensate.

I permanently check on Laowa's EF 200mm f/2 lens pricing, as their lenses are occasionally on massive sale, however, perhaps that particular lens is yet too new for that. The original RF Canon variant would likely be over $6K.

riker said:

Accepting FD lenses?

I'd love that 32MP sensor in an AE-1 body BUT they need to do more than "hey this is so hipster!"
First of all it needs to be CHEAP! 2k in NOT cheap. Make it 1-1.2K and make it light, optimized for street and travel. No flipping lcd, no bullshit, just a great camera. Good sensor, good evf, good AF, good price. Fck video and bluetooth, ***, all that stuff. If it helps, even drop the backside lcd!!

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It will have a flipping LCD. 100 per cent. And I doubt if it will be 'cheap'. It is meant for people who want to make a statement. They will pay.

300mm f2, which fits well with current CanSony arms race.

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Canon had an EF 300/2 many years ago, but it wasn't sold to the general public. There are a few photos around online. Interesting lens. Nikon had a manual focus 300/2 which was also cool, but extremely heavy due to the all metal construction they were using at the time. Around 7.5kg, I think!! Considering we now have 600/4 lenses at 3kg, a 300/2 (same front element size) at around 2.8kg should be possible, and would be very usable.

But price... Price is the big question. Probably above the $15k of a 600/4L as it would be a very niche product. $18k or so would not be surprising to me.

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It was even better tan 300mm f2, it was f1.8. The lens was used for photo finishes in horse races

See: https://petapixel.com/2017/04/27/canon-300mm-f1-8-yes-monster-lens-exists/

Exploreshootshare said:

I believe Canon could come up with a 300mm F2 lens, it would distinguish them from competitors and wouldn't cannibalise the 100-300mm lens. Personally, I´d wish for both lenses to become reality although I am not in the market for them. I´d rent them just for a fun weekend

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Canon had an EF 300/2 300/1.8 many years ago, but it wasn't sold to the general public. There are a few photos around online. Interesting lens. Nikon had a manual focus 300/2 which was also cool, but extremely heavy due to the all metal construction they were using at the time. Around 7.5kg, I think!! Considering we now have 600/4 lenses at 3kg, a 300/2 (same front element size) at around 2.8kg should be possible, and would be very usable.

But price... Price is the big question. Probably above the $15k of a 600/4L as it would be a very niche product. $18k or so would not be surprising to me.

Edit: The old EF lens was a 300/1.8, not a 300/2.

I believe Canon could come up with a 300mm F2 lens, it would distinguish them from competitors and wouldn't cannibalise the 100-300mm lens. Personally, I´d wish for both lenses to become reality although I am not in the market for them. I´d rent them just for a fun weekend

This afternoon I tried to find again the Orange-cheeked Waxbill. Looking at a group of ~60-70 birds didn't see it. Instead I found a partially leucistic Common Waxbill (first time I see such a Common Waxbill). Took bunch of photos and seat to see what I have done. Suddenly on several photos I saw blurred orange cheek! Went back and this time I spotted it! Same place as the previously posted photos, just 50-60 meters apart.

It's not 300mm F2.8, it's a 300mm F2!

Nemorino said:

black-tailed godwit
R5 + RF 200-800 + 1.4 TC
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This should be old photo, they don't winter in Germany and the bird is in breeding plumage (they breed in Germany). I got some photos in Bulgaria during the migration (early August I think...) and non of them was in breeding plumage (the map on Wikipedia is wrong, they don't breed in Bulgaria).

AlanF said:

While @foda and @ISv are getting their spectacular close-ups of rare colourful birds, what do I get. Well, a rare scarce winter visitor Red-necked Grebe in non-breeding plumage was reported a short drive away. At 80-100m from the shore, it needed to be pointed out to me and I got one shot in focus of the dull bird in grey light of less than 400 px width at 800mm with the R5ii. Oh well, some shots are just for the record and for the twitchers they just need only to give it a tick.

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When in Bulgaria (2023) I tried to find it on a spot that it should breed (it's relatively rare species there but breeds on many localized spots). Didn't see it and I have never seen it! In England it should be by far more rare bird - I mean you are lucky to see it at all!