Dmcavoy said:

Am I understanding those new specs correctly.

No flash support at all?

Well I suppose it wouldn’t be a canon release without some crippling feature not being included.

How is this meant to be a hybrid camera without flash support?

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Correct. No mechanical shutter, only electronic and not a stacked sensor so the readout speed is too slow for flash with e-shutter. Only the cameras with stacked sensors (R1, R3, R5II) can fire the flash in electronic shutter mode. The 'readout speed' of a mechanical shutter is in the 3-4 ms range.

The R3 has a 5.5 ms readout speed and that supports a 1/180 s X-sync. The R6III is a bit over 13 ms, if the R6 V has the same then the fastest X-sync would be 1/60 s - 1/80 s, and Canon decided that is too slow.

Canon Rumors said:

Canon’s Video Revolution? EOS R6 V Full Specs Leaked: 7K RAW, Active Cooling, and a New Power Zoom Lens

Get the full leaked specs for the Canon EOS R6 V. Features 7K RAW, 32.5MP sensor, active cooling, and 7.5-stop IBIS. Launching May 13 with the RF 20-50mm f/4L PZ.

www.canonrumors.com

More specs and images posted.

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Am I understanding those new specs correctly.

No flash support at all?

Well I suppose it wouldn’t be a canon release without some crippling feature not being included.

How is this meant to be a hybrid camera without flash support?

m4ndr4ke said:

I may be mistaken, but the leaked specs for the R6V do not include any X-sync speeds, and the only reference to the type of Shoe says just “Multi-function shoe”, so I wouldn’t hold my hopes high for that.
Anyway, we’ll probably know for sure in a day or two.

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According to the just-posted specs, you were right and I was wrong.

Very wrong, since according to the specs the R6 V has a multifunction shoe that does not support flash. At all. I get it – no mechanical shutter, only electronic and not a stacked sensor so the readout speed is too slow for flash with e-shutter. But I still call it ludicrous, given that the camera certainly shoots still images.

neuroanatomist said:

The point remains – a 'stills-only' camera is not going to be cheaper to make, and is going to be more expensive to sell because fewer people will buy it. Therefore, your wishlist will remain just that...on April 1st and on every other day of the year. Sorry for the reality-check.

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Okay, it will cost more because it would be a boutique product and the manufacturing process would have to change thereby increasing the cost. My thought becomes part of the April 1st wishlist. No problem. Reality checks are welcome.

That's annoying, all my backup SDs are V60 and the V90 ones are substantially more expensive. To be honest though I've always just used the CFE and not bothered putting the SD card in up to now. Couple of questions:

• Have you reported it to Canon? Might be fixable in firmware.
• How long is the delay on yours?
• What size of V60 were you using? I have 128GB ones, my hypothesis would be that a smaller card would take less time to check?
• Do you see the same delay if you only have the SD in there, or is it only if there is a CFE as well?

Will do a bit of testing on mine when I get chance and post the results.

1ll said:

Nope, I saw and ignored the April fools wishlist.

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The point remains – a 'stills-only' camera is not going to be cheaper to make, and is going to be more expensive to sell because fewer people will buy it. Therefore, your wishlist will remain just that...on April 1st and on every other day of the year. Sorry for the reality-check.

neuroanatomist said:

You missed the big Canon announcement a couple of years ago. They’ve been silent on it since, but I’m absolutely 200% positive it’s coming soon.

https://www.canonrumors.com/forum/threads/canon-launches-the-dyoc-program.43806/

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Nope, I saw and ignored the April fools wishlist.

john1970 said:

For these reasons (small size and lighter weight) is why I am purchasing this lens. Plan to sell / trade in a few lenses to make the buy no additional cost.

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Same here (without selling lenses, but I may do that at some point anyway...I don't think I really need to keep all three of the 14-20-24 VCM primes, probably just the 14 and 20). The 20-50/4 will make a very nice walkaround lens on the R8.

neuroanatomist said:

If that 'picture' is accurate, then based on the reported depth of the R6 V, the RF 20-50/4 lens is 89mm long. Compare that to the 107mm length of the RF 24-105/4 and the 100mm length of the RF 14-35/4. The RF 20-50/4 is also reportedly lighter than the RF 14-35/4.

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For these reasons (small size and lighter weight) is why I am
purchasing this lens. Plan to sell / trade in a few lenses to make the buy no additional cost.

AlanF said:

In case you have forgotten your original post, you said you wanted it for stills only. If you use the current R3 for stills, you are not using it for video. Therefore, the heat generated in video is irrelevant and not a reason for wanting a stills-only camera.

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No, I didn't forget my original post. The thought was upgrade the R3, but make it a stills only camera a non hybrid. The current mirrorless cameras for stills and video are hybrid cameras.

1ll said:

While using the camera for video, the cpu is taking light from the sensor, processing color, compressing the file, and writing it to your memory card, all at high speed. The processing creates heat.

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We're talking about mirrorless cameras. The only way you can see what the camera sees, either in the EVF or on the rear LCD, is because the CPU is taking light from the sensor, processing color, compressing the [data], and displaying the video feed, all at high speed. A fair amount of the heat from shooting video is writing that video to the memory card(s), and if you're shooting stills then the video being read off the sensor is not written to storage.

1ll said:

While using the camera for video, the cpu is taking light from the sensor, processing color, compressing the file, and writing it to your memory card, all at high speed. The processing creates heat.

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The first words of my post were "Video doesn't affect overheating in still photography,". In case you have forgotten your original post, you said you wanted it for stills only. So, let me explain it further. If you use the current R3 for stills, you are not using it for video. Therefore, the heat generated in video is irrelevant and not a reason for wanting a stills-only camera.

AlanF said:

Video doesn't affect overheating in still photography, it would hardly save any money building a stills only camera, and such a model would have a smaller customer base. And, if it has fewer customers, it would be more expensive.

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While using the camera for video, the cpu is taking light from the sensor, processing color, compressing the file, and writing it to your memory card, all at high speed. The processing creates heat.

There are those who are willing to pay a higher price. An RF 600mm f4 costs, $14,000 US dollars, that's expensive, but Canon made it and photographers buy it.

Hasselblad makes a medium format high resolution camera, people are buying it.

Skux said:

Leaked 'photos' apparently from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGOMczY8Jmo

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The most interesting detail is the PZ/MZ switch. If true, it confirms the zoom's manual operation!
One more long day of waiting!

Skux said:

Leaked 'photos' apparently from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGOMczY8Jmo

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If that 'picture' is accurate, then based on the reported depth of the R6 V, the RF 20-50/4 lens is 89mm long. Compare that to the 107mm length of the RF 24-105/4 and the 100mm length of the RF 14-35/4. The RF 20-50/4 is also reportedly lighter than the RF 14-35/4.

P-visie said:

Why is this in the Rumors section and not in the Gear talk section?

Elaborting on @AlanF’s post: DPReview has a recent

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P-visie said:

Why is this in the Rumors section and not in the Gear talk section?

Elaborting on @AlanF’s post: DPReview has a recent post: https://www.dpreview.com/opinion/2487492530/why-omitting-video-won-t-make-your-camera-cheaper

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Thanks for the DP link. Yes, I posted this in the incorrect forum, sorry about that.

neuroanatomist said:

You seem to have missed it. Or Canon USA is totally lying on their top-line spec list.

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Yep, I missed it in the user manual. Which raises the question: will R6V raw also be 12 bit and are these specifications incomplete?

m4ndr4ke said:

I may be mistaken, but the leaked specs for the R6V do not include any X-sync speeds, and the only reference to the type of Shoe says just “Multi-function shoe”, so I wouldn’t hold my hopes high for that.

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X-sync applies to the EL series of multifunction shoe Speedlites. So, are you suggesting this camera will not support flashes at all? That seems ludicrous.

Regardless, we won’t really know until the camera images are shown. After all, the Canon specification list for the R1 shows the following:



Reading that, you’d think it was like the R50 with no traditional pin contacts. But here’s the top of my R1:



Clearly there are pin contacts (just like on the R6III), and I know from experience that any of my four 600EX-RT flashes and my MT-24EX twin flash work just fine directly mounted on the camera, no AD-E1 adapter needed (unless I require the connection to be weather sealed). My EL-5 flash works too, of course, and is weather sealed without the adapter.

Bob Howland said:

I just looked at the R6-3 user manual and didn't see 12 bit anywhere.

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You seem to have missed it. Or Canon USA is totally lying on their top-line spec list.

• Internally recorded 7K video at up to 59.94p in 12-bit Canon RAW Light Movie.
• Open Gate recording at up to 7K 29.97p in 10-bit MP4 or 12-bit RAW.

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neuroanatomist said:

The R6III has regular pins in the hotshoe and thus is compatible with older-style EX flashes, thus it seems likely that the R6 V would have them. OTOH, the R50 lacks those pins and thus is only compatible with multifunction shoe EL flashes, so it makes sense that carried over into the R50 V.

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I may be mistaken, but the leaked specs for the R6V do not include any X-sync speeds, and the only reference to the type of Shoe says just “Multi-function shoe”, so I wouldn’t hold my hopes high for that.
Anyway, we’ll probably know for sure in a day or two.

Uneternal said:

Overall, it will probably be a high seller for generation TikTok kids.

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And thousands of videographers who will save some money buying this instead of the R6 III, with the benefit of longer recording times.

Bob Howland said:

I just looked at the R6-3 user manual and didn't see 12 bit anywhere. How is the R6v clearly inferior to the R6-3?

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Says so on Canon's own sale page:


Video Recording Formats
RAW: Canon RAW (.CRM file extension); 12-bit

1ll said:

I'd like to purchase a photographers only camera.

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You missed the big Canon announcement a couple of years ago. They’ve been silent on it since, but I’m absolutely 200% positive it’s coming soon.

superangulonxl said:

So, is it true that the R6 V can only shoot 10-bit RAW video?

If R6 V can't shoot 12-bit RAW video, despite prioritizing video over still images, then it's clearly inferior to the R6 III and has no value as a video camera, for me.

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I just looked at the R6-3 user manual and didn't see 12 bit anywhere. How is the R6v clearly inferior to the R6-3?

So, is it true that the R6 V can only shoot 10-bit RAW video?

If R6 V can't shoot 12-bit RAW video, despite prioritizing video over still images, then it's clearly inferior to the R6 III and has no value as a video camera, for me.

Leaked 'photos' apparently from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGOMczY8Jmo