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Traveler · Dec 12, 2025

I still hope Canon will break their rules that better camera needs to be bigger and only top cameras have certain features. I think that the original EOS R had the perfect body size and design, top LCD, bigger display than the R6. They could make a camera that is comfortable to hold, not too heavy or big, has nice bright LCD with thinner bezels, high-res EVF, IBIS, enough controls (both rear wheel and arrows like the 90D or Sony's) and doesn't have limited menu options and features. It's fine if it shoots less fps or has weaker video specs due to the smaller body (less efficient cooling).
I think there are quite some people who would spend the money on the R5 but it is too heavy for them. And people who just want something nice but not necessarily big and heavy. Enthusiasts, travellers, young people,...

I know, I'm naive.

Del Paso · Dec 12, 2025

mimbu said:
It's not all that surprising. There is always a huge surge in sales in Japan when a new camera like the R6 III is released. The Z6 III was the top selling full frame camera the month it was released. Even much more expensive cameras like the R5 II often hit high in the list in the month of release. Next it will be the A7V.

But, Japanese (and most of the rest of Asia) love small cameras and almost every month that doesn't have a new FF release, the top selling FF camera in Japan is the A7C II with a kit lens. Some months the silver one, some months the black one. The #2 FF camera will be whichever A7C II color wasn't #1.

I didn't know the Japanese had such a bad taste...

John Wilde · Dec 12, 2025

It's inevitable that Canon will release a photocentric PowerShot with their 1.4" sensor. You don't make a new sensor and a new sensor size for just one camera model.

SirIssacNewton · Dec 12, 2025

Horse in Kentucky, i liked the light! Shot with my Canon R8 and RF 600mm f11

snapshot · Dec 12, 2025

Dragon said:
That would be a busy sensor. When you consider DPAF doubles the pixel count and then global shutter (at least as currently implemented) doubles the count again with "dark" pixels used to store charge for conversion, you are talking about what would be effectively a 180 MP sensor. Certainly feasible from a geometry perspective when you consider the pixel density on small sensors, but also a challenge from a defect perspective. Frankly, I would rather have a 100MP conventional sensor, but that is just my wish.

this assumes you need dark pixels for both sides of the DPAF. but, yes, Global shutter is about fast moving objects, so 100 MP usage might not need global shutter or perhaps even DPAF.

Dragon · Dec 12, 2025

snapshot said:
45 MP global shutter? i would atleast drive to the camera store to check it out.

That would be a busy sensor. When you consider DPAF doubles the pixel count and then global shutter (at least as currently implemented) doubles the count again with "dark" pixels used to store charge for conversion, you are talking about what would be effectively a 180 MP sensor. Certainly feasible from a geometry perspective when you consider the pixel density on small sensors, but also a challenge from a defect perspective. Frankly, I would rather have a 100MP conventional sensor, but that is just my wish.

justaCanonuser · Dec 12, 2025

sfericean said:
Love it and looking forward to it. And I will likely buy it. I continue to dream though that we one day will get a Canon P style retro camera or even new school camera based off the the Canon P. I think it would be a big hit with jazzy FujiFilm and Leica shooter types….of which I am as well, but much uglier.

I doubt Canon will bring out a real rangefinder camera like the famous P with a digital sensor. The mechanics of such rangefinders is complex and it is hard to revive their production when the knowledge is gone. Nikon really struggled when they revived their Nikon S series with the "S3 2000" 25 years ago. It was very costly to produce, so its price was up to Leicas, it was more a collector's item. This S3 was a film camera, of course, but a digital version would need basically the same mechanics. So the only option would be a pseudo-rangefinder design like that of the digital Fujis - not really attractive for photographers who still are used to real rangefinder cameras. But I guess Canon could sell such rangefinder retro style cameras, so why not.

justaCanonuser · Dec 12, 2025

neonlight said:
My first SLR was an AE-1. Bought it with the 50 1.4 which at the time was not a bad lens. However, after getting a 35-70 it hardly ever got used. So the two lenses mentioned are very likely candidates, though I was surprised that the RF45 was introduced rather than a 50. Suppose Canon want 50 to appear pro? Still have those bits of kit.

Have the same AE-1 and 1.4/50 combo inherited from my father. My first SLR war a Nikon FM-2, still have it - in fact, we have three FM-2 bodies in our household, my wife still shoots with Nikon gear. The FM-2 had Nikon's classic quality that is partly gone today. Because my wife lost any trust in her digital Nikon gear after many repairs (we shoot a lot of wildlife), she only took her FM-2 to Siberia, where she had an engineering job over Xmas a couple of years ago. The FM-2 had not problems to work at -40 °C (-40 °F), even its small battery for the meter (the only electronic part of that SLR) worked w/o any problems. This is a camera from an era when Nikon was famous for really rugged pro quality.

justaCanonuser · Dec 12, 2025

David_B said:
Count me in! I'd love to see it sell for 50% of the R6III price. And yes finally a camera for photographers, not videographers. People that don't need autofocus gimics where the camera takes the photo for you (almost.)

Imagine if it outsold the R6III...

Combine such a camera with a long tele and you know why the industry moved away from the 60s- 70s design to an improved ergonomy e.g. with a pronounced grip. So I guess the retro camera will be an additional market for those who want such a style. Personally I prefer to grab one of my old cameras and load it with a film when I want that feeling, because this is the real thing. But that's my personal approach, I think Canon should bring out such a camera and make those who like such a style happy.

Stefanss · Dec 12, 2025

Do you think an update can also appear for the R5 model in February? I would like at least an open gate.It was nice of course something else

justaCanonuser · Dec 12, 2025

Richard CR said:
Looking at this patent application (2025-179579), there are a lot of designs in here that I found intriguing, but there are certainly two that reached out and smacked me across the side of the head, and that's a Canon RF 300mm f/2.0L IS and a 200mm f/1.8L. But this is one of those patents where […]

See full article...

Interestingly Canon would follow with this 300mm f/2 the same smart strategy they used for the radically changed design of the EF 600mm f/4.0 III - what Sony basically copied (not in detail, but overall) for their actual 600mm f/4.0 lens. I think there surely is a market for such a lighter, well balanced RF 300mm f/2.0 lens.

justaCanonuser · Dec 12, 2025

johnchio said:
How coincidental! I was just dreaming about this yesterday!

Hope it wasn't a nightmare when it came to get out your wallet

snapshot · Dec 12, 2025

mimbu said:
I could see Canon using the 3 series to respond to the A9III, and maybe bring a global shutter sensor to RF. Probably not particularly soon, but at some point.

45 MP global shutter? i would atleast drive to the camera store to check it out.

snapshot · Dec 12, 2025

neuroanatomist said:
I really do wonder how much any of that matters. I remain unconvinced there is real 'competition' between brands at anything other than the entry level. Someone with a smartphone who wants to get 'a real camera' will be looking at different systems and comparing the ones they can afford. Mostly, they'll be looking to not spend more than they spent on their smartphone (the average price of a MILC shipped in 2025 is $714), which means they'll be comparing at the entry level. Once they make a choice, if they later decide to upgrade they will most likely be looking at the brand they already have so they can use the same lenses, etc.

...

I believe that the primary target market for cameras above the entry level are in-brand buyers, so Canon (in particular, as the dominant market leader) is looking to attract owners of older Canon cameras or 'lower' Canon cameras. For example, the R6III is spec'd to attract owners of 5- or 6-series DSLRs, owners of an R6 that's now 'getting old' and owners of an R7/R10 who are looking to go to FF. The situation is a bit different for Sony and Nikon, because they don't have something like 70% of the installed base using their brand so they have to try and poach Canon users with specs, price, or both.

you may be right. there are next to no photography advertisements shown on mass media. i really dont remember any other than Andre Agassi's Rebel comercials. The only photography ads i see are cell phone photography/video ads. I suppose photo equipment purchases are probably driven by word of mouth and directed research. i know that folks often ask me what setup i am using and/or what setup i might recommend. usually i find out they already have a camera in the closet they dont use much because they get "snapshots" not dynamic photos. some of that is the kit lenses they get, but the truth is the real problem is training, experimentation, and practice. Buy a camera and read its manual is not it. Cell phone ads are selling: "use our phone get dynamic video or photos" and most of what they are offering is a big screen and software. we talk a lot about better capture, but cameras with much better software (maybe a bigger screen) that helps folks with suggestions for better lighting, better posses, better composition, better post processing would sell much more low-end equipment.

David - Sydney · Dec 12, 2025

‘A lot of people’ who are middle class ie having at least some disposable income would be approaching ~800m just for IN/CH/ID. Global projections are for 4b people well before 2030.
With >7b phone subscriptions currently, the market for upgraders is there

A big market for all OEMs to address if they can get the pricing and feature set right and still be profitable.

dpc · Dec 12, 2025

Had a bit of snow yesterday so I went out to see what pictures I might be able to get.

Mxw.be · Dec 12, 2025

I hope they will port their apsc pro lenses first. If I remember correctly there was also a Efm 50 mm from Viltrox.

blackcoffee17 · Dec 12, 2025

The R100 would have been the perfect entry/cheap camera if they only added a $5 touchscreen. So you don't have to click-click-click if want to change focus point, like 20 years ago on a Rebel.

Blorp · Dec 12, 2025

R50 V might have the right size and formfactor, but is useless with missing features the M6 II provided (and not adding to it: EVF in body like Sony A6700 or Fuji E5). So I ended up using Fuji..thats desperation..

DhlcadR6 said:
Yongnuo's 33mm f1.4

I doubt that can compete in any way with the optically strong M 32mm f1.4

masterpix said:
It is much more economical to have one line of lenses

Sure but we still lack a decent compact camera on the same feature level the M had, and given how old it is...it should actually be superior..

mimbu · Dec 12, 2025

neuroanatomist said:
Once they make a choice, if they later decide to upgrade they will most likely be looking at the brand they already have so they can use the same lenses, etc.

In some cases yes. In other cases they have an APS-C camera and one or two APS-C lenses. None of that is transferable to the most likely upgrade path (full frame) for someone who is getting more serious about photography. They might choose to stay within the same brand for ergonomic reasons, or reasons of general familiarity, but they're going to have to replace their glass. With that in mind, I think many people moving from APS-C to FF do consider options across brands, the same as they did when they bought initially.

mimbu · Dec 12, 2025

Richard CR said:
According to BCN, Canon took quite a few top spots in the November rankings, and the Canon EOS R6 Mark III, debuting at position 11. That is a little surprising because BCN tracks actual store sales receipts, and not the pre-orders, so the EOS R6 Mark III wasn’t available for very long in November, as it didn’t start shipping until the last week of November. Even with that, it’s the highest-selling full-frame camera in Japan for the month of November.

See full article...

It's not all that surprising. There is always a huge surge in sales in Japan when a new camera like the R6 III is released. The Z6 III was the top selling full frame camera the month it was released. Even much more expensive cameras like the R5 II often hit high in the list in the month of release. Next it will be the A7V.

But, Japanese (and most of the rest of Asia) love small cameras and almost every month that doesn't have a new FF release, the top selling FF camera in Japan is the A7C II with a kit lens. Some months the silver one, some months the black one. The #2 FF camera will be whichever A7C II color wasn't #1.

mimbu · Dec 12, 2025

Richard CR said:
they could simply switch the mechnical mount from the EF-M lenses and they would work.

They could, but I don't think they will. Viltrox has gotten a lot smarter about branding and I don't think they will release any more lenses that don't fall cleanly into their new 4 tier lineup.

mimbu · Dec 12, 2025

I could see Canon using the 3 series to respond to the A9III, and maybe bring a global shutter sensor to RF. Probably not particularly soon, but at some point.

Del Paso · Dec 12, 2025

So much undeserved hate for a wonderful camera (you know which one I mean).
I'm tempted to quit and join the SonyLoversForum if this doesn't stop soon!

By the way, I too could imagine an R3 II with the 45MP sensor and some updated features.

Skyfall · Dec 12, 2025

Now when the dynamic range results for A7V are out, do we know if canon has access to the same type of technology(simulateous readout at two gain steps) and might bring it in a future camera or firmware?

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