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Tom R5R7 · Dec 10, 2025

David_B said:
The EF-M 11-22 was also collapsable and doesn't have a straight replacement - all wide angle RF lenses have compromised optical designs, IMHO.

Yeah, software to replace optics. Which is fine to a point, but if you want pinpoint stars out to the corners, you're not likely going to get it when the software is used to turn the semi-fisheye lens into a rectilinear image.

Tom R5R7 · Dec 10, 2025

There are a couple of EF-S lenses also that are missing. No F/2.8 zoom. No f/4 zoom, just a couple of slow "kit" lenses.

Canon wants you to go full frame.

Red Dog · Dec 10, 2025

I shoot freelance sports with both the R3 and R5 Mkii. However I use them for specific sports. The R3 can handle basically everything thats thrown at it, particularly at higher ISO's whereas the R5mkii I tend to use for motorsport that occurs at relatively lower ISO's and it gives me the option of much larger file sizes. However once the ISO goes above 12,800 it sits in the bag. The other big advantage of the R3 is the larger battery. I absolutely detest the smaller battery in the R5mkii even with the battery grip.
An R3 MKii would be interesting, but only if Canon could increase the MP and maintain clean files at high ISO. Will it happen, I suspect not, but I live in hope.

SeanS · Dec 10, 2025

neuroanatomist said:
I can see a high-MP R5s coming along at some point. I can’t see Canon putting a high-MP sensor in a gripped body. Since they amalgamated the 1-series into a single body that was essentially the 1D with a FF sensor and evolved in a very non-1Ds way, the market has made a high MP gripped body less likely, not more likely.

Look at what Fuji did when they updated the GFX 100 to the MkII:
View attachment 227083

While I agree that an additional gripped body doesn't necessarily make sense in Canon's lineup, an R3 II could be used to introduce/test new features (like eye-controlled AF) that need to be refined before introduction into the 1-series.

blackcoffee17 · Dec 10, 2025

R3 could be a special camera in the lineup, the mentioned high resolution and high megapixel or maybe an experiment like the Sony A9 with global shutter.

HeavyPiper · Dec 10, 2025

sanj said:
Yes, it should have all modern features

Totally agree.

neuroanatomist · Dec 10, 2025

I can see a high-MP R5s coming along at some point. I can’t see Canon putting a high-MP sensor in a gripped body. Since they amalgamated the 1-series into a single body that was essentially the 1D with a FF sensor and evolved in a very non-1Ds way, the market has made a high MP gripped body less likely, not more likely.

Look at what Fuji did when they updated the GFX 100 to the MkII:

sanj · Dec 10, 2025

Yes, it should have all modern features. I would replace my R8 with this in a heartbeat.

Bob Howland · Dec 10, 2025

masterpix said:
long time ago, when the RF system just came out, I was critisized fro saying that the M series will be eventually abandoned for a crop RF camera and mostly lenses. But time shows that it is the logic in keeping one line of lenses is the crrect path for any camera brand. For lenses aer used for much longer period of time than camaras. For example I use the same EF lenses that I bought for my 7D even that I changes to RF camera.

Big bulky EF lenses never felt right on my R5 (correction: M5). I bought them to work on a 5D, 40D, 5D3 and 7D. They feel right at home on an R7 and R6-2. Canon could have kept the M series and also introduced the RF series. But they didn't. Why? The EF SL1, SL2 and SL3 were also tiny, slightly larger than the M5, and they were popular. Maybe Canon decided that having a large lens mount on a small body was acceptable.

Richard CR · Dec 10, 2025

SnowMiku said:
I have heard a few reports on here that the R7 has Shutter Shock, is that only if you use it with Mechanical Shutter? Or does it also have shutter shock using EFCS?

It's strange how my 90D has the EFCS option in live view, and the M6 doesn't even though it's got the same sensor.

any pure mechanical shutter will have shutter shock, but EFCS is usually used to eliminate it.

the nerf of EFCS on the M6 mark II was odd.

AlanF · Dec 10, 2025

foda said:
Thanks! I'm glad you're enjoying the photos. The Hummingbirds are probably my favorite avian family (and among the most difficult to photograph well).

Well, you certainly do it very well!

David_B · Dec 10, 2025

Richard CR said:
Okay, it's been over 3 years since the RF-S lineup was released by Canon, and they have yet to really capitalize on what those cameras were. I know some people dismiss the EOS-M system and what it was for Canon and wanted it to die (Ahem, Craig), but for me, anyway, it was the perfect […]

See full article...

The EF-M 11-22 was also collapsable and doesn't have a straight replacement - all wide angle RF lenses have compromised optical designs, IMHO.

Nemorino · Dec 10, 2025

black-tailed godwit
R5 + RF 200-800 + 1.4TC
@ 1039mm, 1/4000, f/14,iso 5000

Nemorino · Dec 10, 2025

black-tailed godwit
R5 + RF 200-800 + 1.4 TC
@ 1039mm

masterpix · Dec 10, 2025

Richard CR said:
Okay, it's been over 3 years since the RF-S lineup was released by Canon, and they have yet to really capitalize on what those cameras were. I know some people dismiss the EOS-M system and what it was for Canon and wanted it to die (Ahem, Craig), but for me, anyway, it was the perfect […]

See full article...

long time ago, when the RF system just came out, I was critisized fro saying that the M series will be eventually abandoned for a crop RF camera and mostly lenses. But time shows that it is the logic in keeping one line of lenses is the crrect path for any camera brand. For lenses aer used for much longer period of time than camaras. For example I use the same EF lenses that I bought for my 7D even that I changes to RF camera.

blackcoffee17 · Dec 10, 2025

Uneternal said:
To me, it almost seems like Canon is getting ready to ditch their APS-C lineup, which so far has been treated like a stepchild.

Even in EF days, APS-C was threated like that. Lens selection was always limited to cheap dark zooms and kit lenses with very few exceptions, like the 17-55.

eero · Dec 10, 2025

Great article. I often prefer to carry my M6ii instead of the big R5 or R6ii. Such a great camera! It was super irritating to hear the youtube marketing parrots talk about R7 as the "first mirrorless crop-sensor from Canon" when it came out, dismissing the whole M-line. It sounded like a paid pitch from Canon since everyone was repeating the same, and no one even mentioned the M-line. Such a disgrace, a funeral without a funeral.

ThomasTH · Dec 10, 2025

Seems like the Sony A7 V has an impressive dynamic range:

Photographic Dynamic Range versus ISO Setting

foda · Dec 10, 2025

Dragon said:
I love your exotic hummingbirds. I have a bunch of hummers who live in the back yard, but mostly Anna's with a few Rufus in the summer. You have found some very unusual species.

Thanks! I'm glad you're enjoying the photos. The Hummingbirds are probably my favorite avian family (and among the most difficult to photograph well).

Dragon · Dec 10, 2025

foda said:
The male Crowned Woodnymph often appears to be all dark, but when the light hits it just right the brilliant emerald and violet plumage is stunning. I photographed this individual while birding at La Florida, Bosque de Las Aves, at km 18, Colombia, November, 2025.

R5MkII RF200-800mm

View attachment 227077

I love your exotic hummingbirds. I have a bunch of hummers who live in the back yard, but mostly Anna's with a few Rufus in the summer. You have found some very unusual species.

SnowMiku · Dec 10, 2025

I have heard a few reports on here that the R7 has Shutter Shock, is that only if you use it with Mechanical Shutter? Or does it also have shutter shock using EFCS?

It's strange how my 90D has the EFCS option in live view, and the M6 doesn't even though it's got the same sensor.

foda · Dec 10, 2025

The male Crowned Woodnymph often appears to be all dark, but when the light hits it just right the brilliant emerald and violet plumage is stunning. I photographed this individual while birding at La Florida, Bosque de Las Aves, at km 18, Colombia, November, 2025.

R5MkII RF200-800mm

P-visie · Dec 10, 2025

CJaurelius said:
You are making my point for me.

For inflation they take a basket of goods (Food, Housing, Transportation, medical, electronics, etc.) and assign a weight to each item based on how much the average person purcfhase that item as a precentage of theri budget and then looks at the prices difference of all of those items along with the weight to generate a top line number.

So the prices of individual goods going up is what causes inflation not the other way around. It's like me saying Housing is costing more and you say well actual no housing is just going up because inflation. No Housing IS going up and that IS what is being recorded as inflation.

Here is the recent BLS report breaking down all the compenents of inflation:
https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/cpi.pdf

On page 13 you see the price increase of photographic equipment which is 5.7% year over year from Sep 2024 to Sep 2025. So the BLS is saying the retail price of photographic equipment is up 5.7% The weighted average of photographic equpment was .020 as this is not a category people spend a decent percentage of their income on.

When you factor ALL the items to their approriate wight factor the BLS calcuated top line inflation at 3% Not only are camera prices increasing, they are increasing faster than the weighted average of what most people buy.

Meanwhile smartphones decreased almost 15%.

The comparison for the R5 with R5Mk II prices is for inflation in the 2020-2024 period. The BLS number you state is for 2024-2025, so, like the rest of your “arguments” it is completely irrelevant.
You remind me of a quote from Harry S. Truman: “If you can't convince them, confuse them”.

Richard CR · Dec 9, 2025

Dragon said:
For liquid cooling, you wouldn't immerse the sensor in liquid, but rather attach a thin liquid chamber to the back side (i.e. the non-illuminated side) with very small and light tubes to carry the liquid to a heat sink (either the body of the camera of a small radiator). A micro pump would be required, but would only be needed when the sensor was getting too hot. Mechanically complicated, but it could actually be quite small and light. Water has the highest specific heat of handy liquids (ammonia is higher, but it is nasty and needs pressurization), so the most likely choice. The Canon patent is clearly aimed at mechanical simplicity, which makes sense, but liquid cooling is possible. High specific heat is important for maximum heat transfer with minimum mass of fluid.

I think there was a patent already with something like this, with a novel heat pipe that attached to the sensor.

but there's a matter of flex - those tubes are under constant movement, and have to be insanely flexible with a low as possible resistance to movement.

Richard CR · Dec 9, 2025

Quack said:
Where are the equivalents?....

Seems there are 2 likely answers.
1) They did not sell well enough to make RF-S equivalents.
2) They will make them, but are not high priority.

The fact that Canon Forum users cry out for them, does not in any way indicate that they would sell well. To repeat for the nth time on the forum, we are not the target market.

depends, some of us are. There's a wide variety of use cases. Hell, even Craig Mr .. I'll die on my L glass hill is seeing the benefits of the smaller and cheaper lenses when paired with software-based mathematical lens correction

Canon has rarely treated its APS-C ecosystem with any sort of urgency, but it's more than just the lenses, it's the bodies as well.

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