EOS R - critical first impressions re. User Interface

Having watched numerous videos and read a few articles as well, no one else has had any trouble with the control ring - most, in fact, love it. Aside from the comment regarding the delay in locking/unlocking the multi-function bar, which others have mentioned as well, this just sounds like the usual attempt to discredit Canon that has become so popular on the internet. In other words, the usual BS.

Thanks for posting another useless thread that does nothing but reinforce your so obvious anti-Canon bias. You have no credibility on this forum.

Actually I don't have a problem with reviews like that - anyone can fawn over a camera and say how wonderful it is, but the reported downsides tell me more about the type of camera it is. Good reviews will pick up on ergonomic things like those reported above and address them - and if no-one else mentions them they I know it is a minor issue that one person was annoyed enough to mention. And I know what to look out for when testing it.

Add to all that, there are several sites whose opinions I will read/listen to with greater attention. And those who are interested in the things I like to shoot (heaven help those reviewers who shoot a few photos of their kid playing in the park and say they have reviewed it as a sports camera!!).
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Photo only camera

Perhaps a secondary question would be "how many people would like a photos only camera without liveview?" Liveview shares much of the processing as video, so if you're ripping out video, then liveview should go too.
My 40D had liveview, but Video in a DSLR was long from reality, it definitely does not need the same processing or sensor either.
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Firmware: Sigma 50-100 f/1.8 Art, Sigma 100-400mm Contemporary & Sigma 150-600mm Sport & Contemporary Lenses

SIGMA 50-100mm F1.8 DC HSM | Art for SIGMA (v.1.01) and Canon

(v.2.01)This firmware corrects the phenomenon that the AF performance occasionally becomes unstable when used via SIGMA MOUNT CONVERTER MC-11.

SIGMA 100-400mm F5-6.3 DG OS HSM | Contemporary for Canon (v.2.03)

This firmware improves the AF speed in certain combinations with some cameras.

Firmware update for SIGMA 150-600mm F5-6.3 DG OS HSM | Sports (v.2.00) / Contemporary for Canon (v.2.00)

This firmware allows compatibility with Canon’s in-camera Lens Aberration Correction function to enable correction matching the optical characteristics of each lens*. It also corrects the phenomenon that abnormal images appear or operation errors occur when the function is enabled. This firmware also improves the AF speed in certain combinations with some cameras.


* Compatible Canon camera models: EOS-1DX Mark II, EOS 5Ds, EOS 5DsR, EOS 5D Mark IV, EOS 6D mark II, EOS 80D, EOS 8000D (EOS Rebel T6s, EOS...

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Will Sigma / Tamron makes lens for EOS R?

Sigma Lenses will come for the R mount. I think it is a love hate relationship between Canon and 3rd party lensmakers. On one hand, Canon does not like it that they sell lenses they coul dsell themselfs, on the other hand, they have to "allow" other companies to make lenses for their system, simply because it helps the system getting more interesting (bigger variety of lenses, also special lenses. And just imagine, Sigma (or Tamron, or Tokina) would make lenses for Sony and Nikon, but not for Canon. That would be a reason to switch the system.
I think, Sigma had to wait until they had enough information about the Nikon and Canon mount, especially flangedistance and -diameter cause this affects the optical lens design. The electronic part will be a lot of hard work reengineering it, but basically, they can keep working with the EF system, and just use this functionality at the beginning.
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Canon Under Wrap

I recall that in the flurry of rumors over the last month or so there was clear contradiction between September release rumours and 'quarter 1 2019' rumours - the heavy possibility is that both were correct but they were about different cameras. There were also rumors that more than one camera was due to drop. I'm not convinced that Canon would vacate the 'semi-professional' FFM segment for any period - the lens development that they have clearly done to date is far more than you would do for an EOS-R camera alone.
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Advice Wanted - Help me decide on new camera

After much thought and consideration, I'm really leaning toward the 80D either new or refurbished and adding the Canon Portrait and Travel kit which provides me with 2 lenses: the EF 50mm 1.8 STM (Nifty Fifty), and the EF-S 10-18 IS STM. This would give me a 1.8 portrait lens and a good wide angle lens for landscapes, something I am most definitely missing today. I will gift my sons my old T1i with the 18-55 kit lens it came with (that's still floating around my house somewhere) or Going refurb on the 80d and purchasing lens kit puts me at $1200 or if I go new on both I'm at $1349. Both options still below $1399 for a refurbished 6D Mk II. Thoughts?

I've been shooting the 80D since it was released in 2016 and absolutely love it, I carry it with me almost every day. I also have both the 50 1.8 and the 10-18 and they are both actually quite sharp and VERY decent lenses.
You will not regret getting the 80D. It even feels more professional like than any Rebel, 77D, SL2, etc. (a little bigger and feels better in the hand). In my opinion it handles much better than any Rebel or like Rebel camera, it's a step up.

Also, the 70-300mm L-Lense works absolutely perfect on it as you mentioned you have that lens. My 70-300L is basically glued to my 80D !

I also have the 6D2 and love it but I do not use the 6D2 more than my 80D; They each have their place but in my opinion, the 80D might actually be more versatile than the 6D2, especially when it comes to longer lenses.....The 6D2 is a little better camera than the 80D but not by much.
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DPReview: Canon EOS R first impressions with Chris and Rishi

BTW it is remarkable how beautiful the EOS R sample pictures are on the DPR site.

Almost as if I could pick up the camera and just make it work for me... :)

Thanks, by the way. Glad you enjoyed them. More to come. It really is lovely how easy it is to edit Canon files in ACR/Lightroom. Select 'Camera Standard' as the profile and the colors, well, just work. Requiring minimal post-processing.
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Sony announce a range of global shutter sensors

I’m unclear on why a 12-bit machine vision sensor from Sony is a leap forward beyond the production-worthy global shutter CMOS sensors in Canon and Sony cinema cameras (and others as well), and why it portends Canon falling behind technologically.

Superficially this reads much like the CMOSIS sensor, but smaller.

I don't think sony is that far ahead of canon right now but as time goes on this could be a problem for canon. I think canon has the best ergonomics, great color, great lenses and support which is why I stay with them. They make taking pictures enjoyable. Being a software developer I know right now that finding and keeping the right people is the hardest part for companies. If your company is not seen as a company that is going in the right direction, it gets harder and harder to attract those people. I am sure all the Japanese camera companies are going through this especially with the declining young population in Japan. With sensors going into almost everything. I think sony has the advantage. This is one of their main lines of business. It will be interesting to see though. Personally I don't care too much because I can take a fabulous photo with any of the new cameras no matter who makes them.
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Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS III coming ahead of Photokina [CR3]

Thanks

I know fluorescent lights have a strong green component. I presume that the bright light in your image is from a halogen light.

I have shot the moon w/ my old 500 F4 (version 1) and don't remember seeing a green halo.

(Over)Expose the moon bright enough and you'll get a halo with any lens. That's not to say that a halo from a DO lens will be exactly the same as a halo from a non-DO lens. It will vary for any two disparate lens designs.
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Has the forum gone quiet?

Hi Viggo.
I don’t know if this was a temporary glitch or if it is still happening, if it is still a problem it seems CR Guy is monitoring this thread https://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?threads/suggestions-issues-with-the-new-cr-site.35525/ closely and sorting issues, try asking there.

Cheers, Graham.

Didn't want to start a new thread, hope it's okay to post here:

HAs anyone else issue with not staying logged in in Chrome? I mark the "stay logged in" square, but every time I open the page I have to log in... I'm on a mac.
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Speedboosters and chromatic abberation

I am not sure I would call that CA to be 'quite pronounced' but we all have our own expectations. CA happens most in areas with high contrast so if it was a real issue I would expect to see it around the I would mounts for the indicators or around the bumper stickers.
The image with the woman urging on the competitor, it seems to be more about subject movement - what shutter speed were you using as a matter of interest?

The speedbooster had an internal lens and the more glass surfaces you have the more likely you are to have aberrations.
I was between 1/2000 and 1/4000 for those shots.

I guess I say it's pronounced because I've never actually seen it in anything I've done before. I was more curious than anything else. Thanks for the explanation!
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We were wrong, all of your Canon mirrorless dreams are likely coming true soon

From early reviews the Nikon MILCs have their own issues. Just listen to Tony and Chelsea talk about the AF.

The R is fundamentally solid on stills, thanks in no small part to DPAF, but missing some key specs. This is because Canon feels very little competitive pressure. Despite all the Sony/Fuji/mirrorless hype DSLR sales are strong, EF lens sales are strong, and they remain the market leader. By the numbers Sony has taken Nikon sales, not so much Canon. Even the M series sells well. Given the market Canon will of course skip some features to position the R below the 5D IV.

On video I don't know if they are really protecting their cinema line or if there's simply a fab issue. I never thought DR was that big of an issue, but Canon lagged on DR for a long time simply due to fab limitations. Maybe we're in the same spot with sensor readout speed and TDP.

If so I hope they resolve it fast because they can't sit on cropped underperforming video as long as they sat on DR.

Canon could reinvent the DSLR into the DML. Think of the sales they could create if they had parallel systems (5DM5 and ML 5D M5, 1Dx M3 and the ML 1Dx M3, 7D M3, ML 7D M3). Yes everyone could use the EOS L lens on the ML but if the new RF lenses are lighter and sharper, then over time there would be a lot of replacement glass purchased.

Well that is my thought on this might play out.
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An epiphany I had regarding what the RF mount means for the future of EF lenses

Well, unless the extra pins are all for the control ring on the new adapter.




The EF mount uses serial communication, not parallel, for different things on different pins. Three of the current eight pins on the EF mount are power supply voltages only, not data. And again, you're making a huge assumption that some or all of those extra pins are not there solely for the benefit of the added control ring on the adapters/new lenses.

Yeah. It’s also possible that the new pins do NOTHING right now; and are merely there to provide the possibility of future functionality without changing the lens mount (for example, higher voltage power feed for future lenses without blowing up existing lenses).

As someone (I think neuro?) pointed out, they already improved the speed of the EF data transfer several times in the past 30 odd years since release. You can get a lot of data across just one short serial link at very high speeds without needing to change the interface.

I very much doubt it’s about improving data transfer.
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Today i officially felt left behind with being a Canon shooter

If Canon had a few more primes like the 22 f/2 the M series would probably have a cult following. The lens costs practically nothing yet can hang IQ wise with much, much more expensive glass. It's so good and cheap it's worth buying an M body, slapping on that lens, and treating it like a P&S even if you have another crop system (Sony or Fuji).

I wish they would do a cheap 32 f/2 and a cheap 85 f/2 or f/2.8 with IQ similar to the 22 f/2. That would make for one heck of a lightweight, low cost, high IQ kit.
I think it may have a cult following already, a cult that likes inexpensive, light high quality zooms, with a couple of inexpensive, light high quality primes thrown in.
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The second EOS R body

A while back we heard there would be 2 mirrorless bodies, released by I think halfway through 2019. I recall one being a 30 mp body and the second a lower resolution one. The first part of that post by CR Guy has borne out. I sure hope the second camera is a higher, not lower res body. Just wondering if there is any further info on this? That source seemed to know what they were talking about....

Or maybe it will indeed have lower MP using the 1DX sensor. This would solve the 4k crop and it would be a low-light machine. Not for sports and action, but for documentaries and lovers of availible light photography. I would prefer that resolution compared to the 30 of the R.

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