Yes, as a potential buyer I'd be interested to hear your thoughts as well.

I live down the street from Tokina's USA HQ, and communicate with them directly for lens reviews. I am told that this 24-70 has indeed been tested against both the latest 24-70's from Canon and Nikon, and it is equal or better.

IMO, this lens doesn't compete with the Tamron as much as it competes directly with the Canon and Nikon; considering the plastic construction of the Tamron and the sub-par sharpness that becomes quite apparent when shot on a AA-less 36 MP sensor. (I know you Canon folks are just now getting the 5DsR, but I've been seeing D800e / D810 images from the Tamron for a while now and I'm not very impressed.)

Suffice it to say, that with 52 MP on the horizon for many landscape and studio shooters, (both who don't care about stabilization 90% of the time) ...Tokina's reputation for extremely sharp lenses of robust quality is going to hopefully shine through in this case.

Will be interesting for sure. There are several capable "drones" on the market right now, with DJI leading the way with their Phantom series. (I have the original Phantom and it's VERY good) The patent to control the horizontal, vertical and yaw orientation of the camera is already being implemented with 3 axis gimbals that are widely available. (very cheaply I might add also)

Mancubus, I feel your pain! But we could help you better if you would give us more information. In particular, what kind of subjects are you shooting? Sports? Macro? Crazy kids in the back yard?

FWIW, my 5D3 makes all my troublesome old non-L lenses focus very nicely, although not as super-precise as the L lenses. Maybe you should borrow or rent a large aperture L lens and do some focus tests.

Last year, my spouse and I made a long road trip that included the Oregon and Washington coast all the way to Olympic NP. The coast was great for photography. We wrote a travel log that has some of the information that you are asking about. The link to the travel log is:


http://www.ronbrunsvold.com/travel-log-click-the-blue/

^ I do that from time to time too. It becomes easier once you get used to the process. But yeah, I would also want a streamlined way for the whole process.

I'm surprised why Canon hasn't polished their EOS Remote app yet as it has good potential.

Based on this comparison I really like the noise performance of the 5ds/r.

Just remember that to be a fair comparison I clicked the "Comp" box up there in the comparison options, this will compare images with the same size (reduced to be on par with the camera with the least MP in the comparison).

If you compare full sizes the 5ds/r noises will look worse than the Nikon d810 for example, but comparing similar sizes (replace the 645Z by another 36mp nikon or sony) I'd say the Canons got the edge, especially in the colors that don't wash out like in the other cameras.

I was reading the forum for quite a long time, although only now signed up. Here comes one long post. I am sharing my experience with jumping the trains of brands.

Now to the point:

I am completely blasted out by people who stand by canon and are ready to turn away from their families if they will go other way. Same goes to people who talk more about their beautiful transition from their dslr to mirrorless and their continuous talk about all that deeptsh*t on either mpx, or fps, or crop factor, or log vs raw or any damn thing. Heats me up sometimes to quit the conversation. More you think and more you talk about, more shots you miss and less you actually know and can do on the field, studio or anywhere it happens you like to use your dslr for whatever reason bumped in your head.

I have a very wide spectrum of jobs to do. It is from sports to portraits, to wildlife, to landscapes and video. Sometimes it is my choice, sometimes it is my job. Someone pushed my brain out of my skull and I rented out a7s and a7ii to see what will happen as I'm shooting video with atomos ninja2 mixed with portraits and whatever comes my way. Well, prices for adaptors alone just made me think twice on this shady deal... But I thought I have 2 weeks, 2 cameras and one adaptor, so let me dig it in, in the end of the day strongest love in your life happens to be with the individual you hate the most, perhaps...

At the time I had 5d3 and 7d2 for all my work and they worked pretty good but I had my own issues with 5d3 being slow pedestrian as I stepped in some senses down, in others up, but from 1d4 a while ago. Mushy video that feels more like upscaled 720P was doing my head in, plus shooting some gigs I grasped in-between dilemma: 7d2 couldn't make it any good past 10000 iso and I needed it, but 5d3 was slow as heck in every direction. In the end 7d2 and heavy edit made it happen and everyone was happy, but 5d3 was under consideration.

So these two sony full frame mirrorless are pretty good I must say. Menues and general usage, feel of the camera etc is very hard to deal after you've spent most of your time with actual dslr and their logic. Jumping to nikon was way much easier for me, but that's a different story. Talking about DR it is a tat better sometimes somwhere in the testing environment. OOOOOH how people with grey cards in their little room get my head in... Not shooting anything but their keyboard with perfect exposure and WB... Basically it is a difference most noticeable in this kind of environment.

For video a7s shines but in terms of detail and iso performance it is better at a cost of constantly changing batteries. Pretty impractical unless you are always near the plug. For pictures 12mpx is not enough at all, how damn clean this picture would be, it is just does not retain enough information. Feels like we are backed up quite a good few years. A7ii is good but quite similar to 5d3 in loads of aspects, it's just hard for me to throw out of the window superior focusing system, extremely good and native and logical interface, very good feel in my hand and collection of native lenses just for few mpx more and possibilities that I do not need and can't use. I did eventually but my decision was a bit different.

Basically I didn't even bother taking them out on the gig I was shooting. Just... No. Filming some music was good and fun but I didn't have loads of batteries so most of the job my 7d2 and 5d3 did. Looking at sony lenses choices I feel like giving up on photography, maybe even life. I am not a sony hater by any means, but what there is on the market is extremely overrated towards the working environment. The logarithmic focusing wheel is a... Just made me swear while I tried to pull focus while shooting video. You are always hoping and jigging the wheel to get to the point and speed varies from time to time...!!! They are definitely on the right path and they are making bigger steps so far to make someone who has enough money invested into canon system to think on switching but in reality it is a bloody time to fix up this damn 5d3! Well...

I got really lucky with the price I sold my 5d3 and at the same time I found preowned 1dx in a very good condition. I ended up investing about 20% on top of what I got from my sale and I am glad I did what I did. Dirty bi*ch HDMI is not clean and it is a bit of a... But what I noticed is that 1dx is actually doing very good job on getting sharp enough and flat enough alli video to dig it in compared to what 5d3 did with apple pro res 4:2:2 and ninja. Anyway there was only 8 bit out with 5d3 if I am correct... It looked almost the same at least, just colour correction is slightly more aggressive able. So on video side 1dx actually does not disappoint me at all and gives much better low light performance compared to 5d3. It is not 1dc, but oh well oh well... Different story all the way in.

AF is spot on, there is nothing to say here really. I was impressed how good it performed in low light with AF. Where 7d2 would focus hunt a little bit, this one would bite the sh*t out and get the job done before I even realise that. 18mpx is not 22, but with a good glass it all works more than fine for what I do. Now there is 5ds out and it should be good, but if you need good high iso in real life working situation it was hard for me to find another match...

Well I steamed that off and hopefully someone could benefit or even disprove what I just said.

And thanks for the whole forum full of nice stuff that helped me out over the years I was shooting. Here was my first ever post.

Thank you both MUCH!

I've taken lots of junior athletics pictures as my son was a very good runner & on occasion stood in for the athletics club's main photographer. I used the Canon 70-200 F4l IS with a 1.4x converter and found it covered most eventualities. It's a very sharp lens & even with the converter very manageable.

As long as ISO 400-640 is clean that is quite OK for most landscape/detailed work out of the camera.

With good NR in post ISO 3200 will also mostly work and maybe even 6400... of course some details will be missing but I still expect the detail level to be much higher than on a 5D MK III using the same ISO setting (here ISO 6400 is mostly not usable for anything you wanna print larger than A4) for big prints ISO640-1600 depending on subject is the upper limit of the MK III imo. when using NR in Post.

If you really need speed and high ISO performance the 1DX is still the best but that was expected. being the heavy action/sports/outdoor camera.

Sometimes I ask myself why many ppl, expect the 5Ds (R) to be something completely different than what Canon obviously intended it to be. It just is a high detail camera for more or less static objects. e.g. People, Landscape, Architecture, Products... For fast moving and/or very low light moving things or high ISO situations e.g. Sports, BIF, distant wildlife the 1DX and 7D MKII will always outperform the 5Ds(R) ... but that is nothing anyone should be surprised about as Canon made the later two exactly for this purpose ... as they made the 5DsR for another purpose.

I am only kind of interested where the 5d MK IV heads (but a kind of Canon copy of the D810 with more fps and increased AF and high ISO would be a nice idea)

I had a 7D and shot a lot of sports with it, when I bought the 5D mk III I never toughed the 7D again. So I traded the 7D in for a mk II. Now that I own both the camera's you mentioned I can say I use the 5D mk III the most: quality is so much better, and high iso capabilities as well. Also when extracting the details in raw you can get so much more out of a full frame image, especially with indoor sports. (I use the 70-200 2.8 II)

Yes the the 7D mk II has more fps but spraying images is not my shooting style (I shoot soccer, korfbal, windsurfing etc). The AF of the 7D mk II is faster but I prefer image quality over speed. I end up using the 7D mk II for windsurfing mostly, the 1.6 crop factor gives an advantage in getting better close ups and water is less critical in the details. Also with skin tones the 5D mk III is much better than the 7D mk II.

Recently I shot an indoor korfbal match with both camera's but comparing the end results, I ended up using the 5 Mk III images only. If they could equip the 5D mk III with the AF performance en AF zone selection lever of the the 7D mk II I would be happy, 1 Dx is out of reach. I'm a bit disappointed that I bought the 7D mk II along with the 5D mk III, I use it it less than I had expected. So in your case I would buy the 5D mk III without doubt. Just my two cents.

Some (low res) sample images, both series shot with the Sigma 120-300 sports with canon 1.4 III extender
some 5D mk III soccer https://www.flickr.com/photos/entropy69/19085310365/in/album-72157652639546903/
some 7D mk II windsurfing https://www.flickr.com/photos/entropy69/sets/72157649356524213
Mixed indoor/outdoor sports, 5D mk III mostly with 24-70 and 70-200
https://www.flickr.com/photos/entropy69/sets/72157645434772293 and https://www.flickr.com/photos/entropy69/sets/72157645434777013

If we are just talking purely about sharpness, there are a few things to take into consideration. It is not as simple as one being sharper than the other anymore.

I can tell you right now that between the various systems I have shot in the last two years (a7r/551.8, 6D/5D3 with various high quality lenses, EOS M with 22/2, Fuji xt1/23 & 56mm, and pentax k5IIs with 50/1.8), the sharpest (and most consistently sharp) results I have gotten have been from the Fuji and Pentax rigs. Oddly enough, both of those happen to be APSC.

You have to consider the AA filter (strong, weak, not present), pixel density and how it affects your shutter speed requirements, glass, etc.

If we are talking other things like varying resolutions (ability to zoom in), DOF, etc, we are no longer talking solely about pure sharpness at average/normal viewing mediums.

Again, what I have referred to are the results I have experienced for myself so YMMV. But I know that I am not the only one who has used all or some of these systems and come to the same conclusion.

I have BushHawk shoulder mounts available - Shipping from Canada to US

Good day, Natures Photo Adventures. We have a few complete kits of the Bushhawks still in inventory and also some cables. They have gone out of business but if you are still interested let me know. Great for bird in flight shots. Just send me an email [email protected] with your camera type and I'll see if I have a suitable cable. Happy shooting Jennifer

neuroanatomist said:

My first reaction was to check the calendar...

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Mine, too.

Eldar said:

And since it is DxO, it probably measures in at a DR of 16.6 and a total score of 96

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And this was my second thought (maybe numbers differing a little)

Oh, how I love DxO... :

We also now know DXO are no longer neutral pitching the DXO One as a DSLR alternative.

Rahul said:

I have a Sony RX 100 that I use occasionally, but then the usage has been going down steadily over the past year. I find myself increasingly using the iPhone for casual shots in situations where carrying a DSLR is not possible.

Hmmm ... This thread has got me thinking. Maybe I should put the Sony RX100 up for sale.

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If you don't use a camera that is dropping in value every month, no matter how good it is, sell it before its value drops to $10.

sootzzs said:

Don't forget the IS of the 35. It seem to be more than enough compensation for the F1.8 vs F2. As I told before my only concern is it will be too tight on a crop, but I think this is my choice. I will try to find a good deal next week when I'll travel to England. At around 400GBP it is 75GBP cheaper that I can get it here (Israel) so it seems like a good deal to me.

Thanks!

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Absolutely. However it depends on what one shoots and how steady ones hands are. On the wider end, I haven't found IS terribly useful (occasional video is the exception). My good photography buddy has the new 35 f/2 IS and really enjoys it on his 7D2.

Since you said you plan to jump to FF, the 35mm FL is probably more useful for you in that regard as well!

Good Luck!

According to the Swedish experts on lensfreaks, a 1.4xTC lowers MTFs by about 10%, so you can get an approximation from that. They have told me me that they will test the 100-400 in somewhat over a month's time, hopefully with a 1.4xTC as well.

East Wind Photography said:

d4mike said:

Thanks, East Wind.

I shoot RAW all of the time, I should afma my version I 100-400, I just wanted to make sure the 7DII is set up proper before I head down that road so I can tell if there was any change.

I've been reading a bit on Arthur Morris's blog and here as well on how to set up a 7DII. I'm thinking it may all come down to new glass as it seems most people either use the 100-400 IS II or a faster prime.

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Honestly I never liked the original 100-400. I tried two copies and both wide open were giving soft images and some coma which greatly affected the AF response. At the time I opted for the 70-200 mkiiwith 1.4 extender. I now use the 300mm II and 600mm I.

I haven't tried the 100-400 mkii but I also hear it's much better than the version 1. Maybe rent one for a couple of days and see how it works for you.

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I have used the 100-400II with 5D3 and I like it very much. It is excellent fully open and when closed 2/3 of a stop with a 1.4XIII. It also focuses fast. What I do not like so much is the reverse use of rings. It makes you forget to zoom in after a needed zoom out (at least this has happened to me). Overall I think you will like it a lot.

I'm already planning on selling mine if a new 16-35mm 2.8 from Canon is released.

As much as I love this for a "fun" lens, I guess I had to purchase an f/4 to really KNOW, deep down in my bones, how much I NEED f/2.8.

Great for an f/4 though! And the IS just adds to the sharpness.

Still, I see this focal length primarily, for me, as an event (including weddings, christenings, anything in tents during the day) lens, and the loss of an f/stop limits its usefulness.

No AA filter is perfect, but it's ALWAYS better at preventing aliasing or moire than removing it in software. I don't think personally the AA filter is a bad thing at all.

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privatebydesign said:

neuroanatomist said:

privatebydesign said:

Here are two shots, camera is set exactly the same for both at 11mm on FF. back of SUV is around 6m, the blue circle is a cap off a peanut jar and is a few inches from the lens, they are both distorted the same.

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A very effective demonstration.

Either StudentOfLight needs to study a bit more, or the problem is that spare tires and peanut jar caps aren't people.

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Yes, well demonstrated.

I apologise LJ, I was wrong. The effect is still there at larger distances.

If the subject is smaller then the problem is still there just smaller. Attached is a 100% crop picture of me taken 8m from a wall with the Samyang 14mm, me at the edge of frame. I am looking (quite unambiguously) fat-in-the-head. :-[

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;D

I noticed that there was someone who made a request to be deleted from this forum, the point was that there was no option to delete your own account and you have to ask admin.
I think there are a few people on here deserving of “ye olde hefty boot” from admin these days.
This is a Canon site where, if I’m not wrong; Canon owners come to discuss gear and seek knowledge from the fantastic and helpful people who frequent this site.
So why are there people who feel the need to come here and tell us how poor our preferred products are compared with the Sony’s and Nikons on the market?? I don’t feel the need to go anywhere near their specific pages because there’s nothing of interest for me, I choose Canon and I’m delighted with my choice.
…………..AND while I’m on my soapbox, there is still a noticeable and overwhelming percentage of Canon photographers at all major sporting events, suck it up Sony/Nikon fanboys!!!!