kriptikracing said:
Marsu42 said:
Lenses are subjective, because all lenses and camera bodies are compromises, the top ones compromise weight, size and price. This is why asking what's "best" or "great" is not a good idea, only what's suitable for what purpose.
The efs15-85 is a very good standard zoom for aps-c (like 24-105 for full frame) because it isn't as expensive as the 17-55 and has longer zoom range. It isn't suitable for low light non-still shooting, because it goes from f3.5 to f4 and smaller nearly instantly and the current 18mp aps-c sensor lacks in low light capability. If you want shoot-in-the-dark moving objects for an aps-c, get a f1.4 lens.
What is considered low light? Also, what do u mean by shoot in the dark? Sorry just need a reference point so I can determine myself if the 15-85 is ok for me.
Bottom line, I'm getting the 60D through the loyalty program. I have $1500 to spend and the body alone is $640. If u were me where 75% of your pictures will be your child, what would you buy with the rest of the money?
while i personally think the 60D is a little long in the tooth, if you're buying it from the CLP then it isn't too bad of an idea. I might choose the 7D instead but that one is even older and definitely wayyy more complicated. Personally, I might just buy the 550D(T2i,) which is basically very similar to the 60D, just a little more rebelly feeling and without the top LCD. I'm not sure the price difference at the moment. Both cameras use the same sensor, have the safe AF basically and similar features(swivel screen seems the biggest difference to me.)
My cousin has a 60D and 15-85 and he is pretty happy. I have a 5D Classic and a 24-105(which, with the 50mm 1.8, and a used body, could be had for just around 1600 or 1700 dollars) and I think that this is a much more pro setup which kills the 60D in terms of photos of people. If you just want to take pictures of family that are better than a Point and Shoot then i'd go T2i and the kit lens(which was my first DSLR setup)..... Then I might wait and decide which direction you want to go in a year or two when most of the new lineup will be out and Photokina will be over(new 7D, 70D, low price FF, mirrorless.)
Personally, I don't think the 15-85 is that much better than the kit lens(although it is better,) I also don't think the 60D is that much better than the 550D. So personally I would go full frame, or rebel.
One thing I know(from experience,) is that it is very difficult to understand and know what you want/need/will use until after you spend a year or so using these cameras and lenses. I made some mistakes setting up my kit because I just wasn't aware of all the endless possibilities and repurcussions.