I don't often do club-style photography, but recently I covered an afterparty at a pretty cool lounge here in Boston - I also use a 5D3, and my first move was setting ISO to 3200, which stayed relatively static all evening (some bumps and pulls here and there). I had my 580EXII mounted on-camera with a Lumiquest ProMax diffuser (my first time using it).
Lenses were either 50mm f/1.4 or 70-200 f/2.8L IS II for these shots. I prefer to shoot the 50 near 1.6 or 2.0, and usually opt for more candid and artistic shots than trying to pose everyone and get them all in focus,

Here are two shots with the 50 @ f/1.8, shutter speed 1/160-200, ISO 3200 with FEC at probably -1 (although i had the diffuser on which further lowers the perceived output)

The bottom shot is with the 70-200, at f/2.8 and shutter speed 1/50, ISO 3200

If you're shooting at f/4 you probably want to lower your shutter speed further. I'd say 1/25 or 1/30. Also try setting the flash to fire at second-curtain. Run through a range of FEC settings until you find something that gives a good balance of foreground and ambient light - often i find when reviewing images that the whole image, although it looks balanced, seems sort of dim and generally underexposed - for that you might try bumping up the ISO a notch if you notice it during the event. If it's too late, Lightroom works wonders

julesbgoes said:

Very bad replys , I never followed the camera world

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Yes, some really poor manners.
Welcome to CR. In spite of the 9 year old kiddie comments, there are lots of helpful people here who will try to answer your question in a respectful manner.
Whenever someone insults a member, click the report button and the post will be reviewed by a moderator and appropriate action taken.

RLPhoto said:

My only gripe is the lack of a multi-selector.

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... and I'm ok with this since I've got a 60d and am used to this - so even if it's a 5d2 repackage with better low-light af, wifi (nice) and gps (idotic) I'm considering it because it's €1000 cheaper than the 5d3. Well, it won't be long until the first reviews.

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carlc said:

attn: bkorcel, I have an offer for you. How about I trade you a little of my kindness and respect for others for your eyesight? My sight is failing and I need all the help I can get through the viewfinder. And one more thought; you might be the answer to all my retirement needs: I just buy you for what your worth and sell you for what you think your worth....

bkorcel said:

PLEASE! If that is a reason to return your MK3 in favor of the 7D then you obviously spent too much money for your ability. GO ahead and return it or sell it and those of us who use the 5D3 will continue to turn out better pictures with less noise and higher resolution.

carlc said:

At least they should try to make the outline of the focus square box (selected AF point) bolder. At the current "very thin lines" it is very hard to find against any back ground but white. I shoot single point most of the time and compared to my 7D the 5DMkIII is a pain in the bippy. A bolder box should not affect metering unless the bolder lines will emit more light the instant it flashes red when focus is confirmed.

At this point I am considering the return of my MkIII and just go back to my 7D. Otherwise it is a wonderful camera body.

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A classy response to a nasty comment. Your attacker says you spent too much money for your ability level, but I think what he did was spend too much money for his comfort level, and it is making him hyper-defensive of the camera body to justify the purchase to himself.

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RustyTheGeek said:

I think it's a great job! Lots of work and down time there. I agree the editing is slightly frenzied. Also, Please never put captions in the center of an image. (Last unknown fish) Love the beautiful morning shots across the water. Light is nice there too.

No offense to you and your work, just my personal choice here but this video required more equipment and effort than I am willing to spend to get good results when I'm diving. You obviously love what you're doing and it shows. However, if I had all that bottom time, I would have enjoyed the diving, taken still photos and created a similar slideshow with a lot less effort. Not sure how the video medium helps make this come alive more than good still images would set to good music.

There are a lot of times when video trumps still photos. I just don't think this is one of them. Not criticizing you, just wondering if a different subject would be more engaging or this subject with more action. (See NatGeo, Discovery, etc for ideas.) Now if this video was of a victim swimming away from a bunch of hungry sharks, THAT would be exciting! (As long as we got some closeups of their face as they were screaming.) Seriously, perhaps more action from the fish, nature in action, that sort of thing.

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Thanks for watching it and taking the time to comment. With regards to enjoying the diving. This is my 4th trip doing video. First doing Macro. And I have to say, it has changed diving for me. Instead of doing a 2 dive day. I now want to do 4-5 dives per day. I look for photo friendly destinations. It changes the way I look for and at things underwater. It has been really fun. Challenging but fun.

Regarding the slideshow vs. video. Slideshows can certainly be nice. But I personally prefer a well done video. Whether mine qualifies as well done, is up for interpretation. My wife, who accompanies me diving, she has been doing underwater still photos since 2006. So I leave her to the photos, while I am the video guy.

There are certainly subjects that are better for Photo, and others that are better for video. In my video, Flamboyant Cuttlefish, Octopus, Frogfish, lend themselves much better to video than photo. Photos can be nice of those, but video is better. With Photo, Seahorses, nudibranchs, etc look better than video.

As for the subject matter, Lembeh Strait is the top macro destination in the entire world. But for an average diver, they might find it a bit boring. This destination is basically all sand, rubble and garbage from the city. The critters hide in the garbage and the sand. So instead of a beautiful coral reef.....you are diving in the muck. Thats why there is no wide angle in this. the amount of critters there is staggering. Thats why its a popular destination for photographers and videographers. So unfortunately, there was no hungry sharks chasing other divers. and if there had been, I would have had my Macro lens on....

Underwater behavior is tough. Fish aren't exactly cooperative. They don't normally like to do tricks when 8000 lumens of light is pounding down on them, and strange creatures blowing bubbles are hovering above them. And you can't make them do anything, because they will swim away, bury deeper in the sand, or sting you....So its a little challenging. Believe me.....I want behavior....but sometimes its just not possible, you have to do with what you got. the people from Discovery or NatGeo, can send someone to a destination of diving and they don't come home until they get the behavior they need. I don't have that luxury...This was 7 days of vacation and diving, and then back home for more boring work.

I did get some awesome behavior on this trip that is not in this video. This is very rare to see. The Cuttlefish used my lights to hunt. It was moving, so it was hard to keep in focus with a 100mm macro lens, but it is still pretty sweet. Here is the link:

Lembeh - Hunting Cuttlefish Attack on Vimeo

Thanks again for your comments and for taking the time to watch the video.

Dustin

RLPhoto - Put a lens to each ear and let's see! (Don't forget to take a self portrait!)

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wickidwombat said:

Neutral have you tried mixing this with other HDR techniques? say -2EV and +2EV then using enfuse to blend
so a total of 27 shots? 3 combined super clean files blended together I think there is lots of potential with adapting this technique. Thanks for the find I cant wait to give it a go

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I did not try that but I think this could be very interesting.
Known issue for HDR is increasing image noise.
So having virtually noise free images from camera using ME could help get cleaner and better HDR images. When I look at some HDR images posted around I frequently want to take wet tissue and wipe that noise away as this is causing pain for my eyes)))

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Lr enfuse doesn't make eye rending abominations like photomatix it takes the exposures and blends them so no noise gain anyway. I suspect in combination with your method it will enable some super clean files

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I think this will definitely work as expected.
Will try that as well when have chance to do so.

Wow, so cool.



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This looks very video. DSLRS can do better, as can you. I don't mean to be harsh, but you asked for an opion. Read and practise my opening sentance. Even if you don't agree you'll at least be playing with perspective and depth of field.



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Lighthouse light artifacts or ghosting? At long exposures every odd thing can produce this kind on efex.
At least 1-series starting from mk2 switch amp off when doing long exposures. Did yesterday 30 minutes shoot (1Ds3) and no problems. Only some hot/dead pixels when looking at pixel level.

I had tried shooting with all of those lenses except the Tokina for landscapes.

I've settled with the 17 TSE and 24-70 2.8 II landscape combo where I placed a preference in corner sharpness. The 17-40/16-35/14ii just didn't cut it for me even between f/8-f/16.

While the 24mm tse II is shaper than the 17mm tse, I found for tight spaces like interiors I just need the 17mm. Sometimes like along coastal shores, cliffs, or fenced off paths where the 17mm could be too wide the 24-70 is a good compromise providing versatility without the sacrifice in image quality. The additional 2.8 gives those rare few chances you want to experiment with long exposure astro-photography like shots as well.

Not a bad point Wickid but 85 is more ideal for portraits imo. Besides the 100 is macro and 85 wouldn't be.

From a specs standpoint without any hands on I would be shocked if the noise wasn't pretty close to the 5dm3. Also the real benefit and maybe the only one to guys like me that already have better cameras is the -3 ev focussing in the dark. Like Neuro has mentioned the 5dm3 is -2 ev, the 6d is -3ev. Wedding receptions may have just gotten easier to shoot in the dark without flash. Still I keep thinking about the 1dm4 more than most cameras just because of its build, price and at some point would replace my 1dm3. It would be smarter from the standpoint of shooting sports too. While I have made the 5dm3 my main sports camera this year as a test I did have to shoot smarter and didn't have the voltage to power the focus speed like a 1d body does. Its hard to beat a 1d for sports. As far as the 1dx is concerned, yea I want it but I can't swallow that i can have 2 - 5dm3's for less.

The dust won't appear on your images, its just something that has happened on film and digital SLR's since they came out. You can get it cleaned, but it will be back sooner or later. Oklahoma does get a bit of dust in the air occasionally - OK

Mt Spokane Photography said:

Typically, we do see lower prices in December for Canon products. This is because Canon's fiscal year ends December 31. Thats when the profit / loss and sales figures that go into their annual report are determined.
In order to make things look as good as possible, Canon reduces prices to clear out inventory. This year, there is a world wide financial crisis and sales are poor. The poor sales and the end of year will result in some really big discounts, but they will be of the form of one or two day blowout sales rather than a price drop.
Just be ready to jump on one when it comes. For example, I see a new 5D MK III for $USD 2799 on ebay this morning. its likely a one day only sale.

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-1....Canon doesn't build finish goods then stock them in warehouse. Canon will build your 5D III based on dealer orders(qty). It calls build-to-order or FIFO.

It's all about lean, cost reduction and floor space.

I'd be interested in an EOS-M verison
EF-M 15-85 STM IS it would be even better if it were constant f4 too (I'm not the biggest fan of having my widest available aperture as 5.6) maybe they could put the Hybrid Is in there and the latest coatings, it would be interesting to see what sort of size reduction the EF-M system could achieve.

When I'm doing portraits with it, It'll probably be outdoors. I can definitely handle the indoors aspect with the 24-70 and the 50 f/1.4.

I think it can be safely generalized that anyone wanting to go pro...will be coming up from doing it purely as a hobby.

And starting off, with no portfolio...and needing to learn the ropes about photography, and these days...a LOT about PP, well, you just can't start out asking a lot of money.

I'm planning to start shooting some local bands here, a friend of mine likes what I've shown him so far...and he's involved with bars around town and local bands...so, I'm going to shoot a lot after the first of the year, basically free...and for drinks.

This will allow me to learn how to shoot lowlight indoors, settings that work...and PP aftewards.
I'll get some free drinks...and the bands will get some good shots. Basically the foot in the door thing.
You gotta learn somewhere...and getting experience and contacts should be good, no?

That being said...as I go along, while I think it would be amazing to be able to quit my "day job" and do photography and videography full time, I dunno if I could pull in what I do with my current day job.

Starting out, I'm gonna be happy to get some extra $$ at some point, to feed my current addiction I've gotten since getting this great camera.

However, I am the type always looking to make a dollar.

I recently watched a week long series a week ago with a wedding (primarily) photographer, Sal Cinciotta. This guy started his wedding photog business basically in 2008...I think he cleared maybe $16K or so that year...something fairly low.
This year, he's gonna gross over $1M...and I can see from the series he gave and how he operates...it is possible.

I need to learn more about actual shooting and learning the camera...but who knows...in a year or so, I'm going to try to model shooting on his business plan.

Anyway, I'm rambling...forgot where I'm going with all of this...
But hey, you gotta start somewhere. Free is usually the starting place....once you get your feet wet, and learn what to do...well, sure, you gotta figure what you're worth.

One thing I got out of the talk by Sal....he found the more money he charged...the more business he got and the move value people place on his work.

A very interesting story. I watched it live for free, but was so intrigued I bought the lecture for $149...it is more than that...but pretty interesting.

The show was here:
http://www.creativelive.com/courses/wedding-photography-business-boot-camp-sal-cincotta

I'm not associated with this guy...but I was inspired on how to view turning this hobby, eventually into a business....and after the first of the year when I get a bit more time...that's the way I'm moving.

C

Fotofanten said:

I like that there is nothing in particular that I dislike with the camera. They must have really listened to the feedback from mk II owners. The larger full coverage VF is my one favorite improvement.

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I agree, Canon sure did listen. The numerous refinements in the camera show plenty of evidence of that. This thread is further evidence. And it belies the threads on various forums that complain about Canon "not listening" or using "ancient sensors" or building a 5D3 that was only "minor update" over the 5D2. The 5D3 is clearly designed to be closer to the 1D series in speed and handling, and may be more durable than the 5D2. The only glitch is the black AF point thing, but it doesn't diminish the overall excellence of the camera.

Fabulous price if it's a reputable dealer.

23795 – Modalités offre Canon : Jusqu'à 200€ remboursés sur les boîtiers
et optiques
Pour l'achat d'un optique ou d’un boîtier Canon porteur de l'offre*, dans les enseignes participantes
entre le 1er Novembre 2012 et le 20 Janvier 2013, Canon vous rembourse jusqu’à 200 € TTC sur les
produits suivants.
* Produits porteurs de l’offre :
30€ remboursés pour l’achat de l’une des références suivantes :
GP-E2
SPEEDLITE 430 EX II
EF-S 60mm 1:2.8 MACRO USM
EXTENDER EF 2X III
EXTENDER EF 1.4X III
EF 50mm 1:1.4 USM
EF 70-300mm 1:4.0-5.6 IS USM
EF-S 17-85mm 1:4.0-5.6 IS USM
50€ remboursés pour l’achat de l’une des références suivantes :
60D
60D + S18-55IS II
60D + EF-S 18-135mm IS
60D + EF-S 18-135 IS + 40mm STM
EF-S 18-200mm 1:3.5-5.6 IS
EF 100mm 1:2.8 USM MACRO
EF 70-200mm 1:4.0 L USM
600EX-RT
70€ remboursés pour l’achat de l’une des références suivantes :
EF 17-40mm 1:4.0 L USM
EF-S 15-85mm 1:3.5-5.6 IS USM
EF-S 10-22mm 1:3.5-4.5 USM
EF 100mm 1:2.8 L IS USM MACRO
EF-S 17-55mm 1:2.8 IS USM
80€ remboursés pour l’achat de la référence suivante :
60D + EF-S 17-85mm 1:4.0-5 .6 IS USM
100€ remboursés pour l’achat de l’une des références suivantes :
60D + S18-200mm 1 :3.5-5.6 IS
7D
7D + EF-S 18-135mm IS
EF 24-105mm 1:4.0 L IS USM
EF 70-200mm 1:4.0 L IS USM
EF 70-200mm 1:2.8 L USM
EF 16-35mm 1:2.8 L II USM
EF 70-300mm 1:4.0-5.6 L IS USM
EF 100-400mm 1:4.5-5.6 L IS USM
110€ remboursés pour l’achat de l’une des références suivantes :
60D + EF-S 17-85mm 1:4.0-5.6 IS USM
+ EF 70-300mm 1 :4.0-5.6 IS USM
150€ remboursé pour l’achat de la référence suivante :
7D + 70-300 ISU
170€ remboursés pour l’achat de l’une des références suivantes :
7D + S15-85 IS
7D + S17-55 ISU
7D + 17-40 F4.0 L
200 € remboursés pour l’achat de l’une des références suivantes :
7D + 15-85 IS +70-300 ISU
EF 70-200mm 1:2.8 L IS USM II

$2799 right now on ebay. http://www.canonpricewatch.com/product/03868/Canon-EOS-5D-Mark-III-price.html

How much do they charge for a service does anyone know? I think I will wait if its just sensor dust that causes issues ill sort it when I go home!

Nice work, I was about to make a comment about no back wheel action but saw the Victorian plate, you'd probably get more jail time for "hooning" than murder there nowadays :.