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clicstudio · Sep 6, 2018

Just for fun and out of curiosity... I would like to know how many people plan to buy/upgrade to the new EOS R and what lenses are u considering...

It looks like a winner to me. The price is totally right. I wish it had at least 40MP but it is a steal with the 24-105.

The $3K price for the 28-70 F2.0 is steep but it's an industry first, so it should be worth it.

Cheers

Pat

Canon Rumors · Sep 6, 2018

Irvine, California, September 6, 2018 – Aurora Aperture Inc. today announces the development of drop in filters for the Canon EOS R.
“The new Canon EOS RF mount adapters provide full functionality for current Canon EF lenses.” said Jinfu Chen, founder and CEO of Aurora Aperture Inc. “In 2017 we introduced a special version of PowerND™ in rear mount format for select Canon EF lenses such as the EF 12-24/4L USM. This unique package is much smaller than those huge front mount adapters and filters, making it much easier to carry and lower cost. With the EF-to-RF drop in filter adapter, we can now offer rear mount filters to all EF lenses.”

Rear mount filters are much smaller than front mount filters, thus lower cost and easier to carry. There are also EF lenses without front filter thread so owners of those lenses can benefit from using rear mount filters instead of large and expensive adapters and filters.
Filters under development for the Canon RF mount adapter include...

Kit Lens Jockey · Sep 6, 2018

Yeah I know there's another thread that kind of talks about this, but it's six pages of speculation on whether or not there would even be a new mount.

Now that we know for sure that there's a new mount, I started to consider what I wanted to do with all of my EF lenses since I do plan to buy into the new RF camera system. After a lot of consideration, I think I've realized that this whole issue is a lot simpler and more trivial than we all seem to be making it out to be.

For the sake of the argument of what happens to EF lenses now that there's an RF mount, I think the first thing that needs to be established and accepted is that an EF lens adapted to an RF body will give you performance just as good as that EF lens on an EF body. Canon themselves likely knows this, and everything I've seen with regard to the performance of the EF to EF-M adapter seems to support that a Canon adapter adapting a Canon lens onto a Canon camera will have no hiccups in regard to performance.

So if we accept that using the adapter is essentially a non-issue and shouldn't be shied away from, that means that in effect, any EF lens can be made into an RF lens, and any RF body can be made into an EF body just by putting an adapter on it.

Since you can still make any of your current lenses work with any new body that comes out now or into the future, they will effectively never truly be out of date from a compatibility standpoint. And at that point, the question of "should I ditch all of my EF glass as new RF lenses come out?" really becomes more of a question of "would I ditch this EF lens if Canon came out with a better EF sequel to this lens?" We need to stop looking at EF lenses as relics that will be hopelessly out of date within a few years, because they won't, they'll work on EOS R cameras well into the future.

Take the new RF 50mm 1.2 for example... If you stuck an adapter on the back of an EF 50mm 1.2 to make it an RF lens, is there really any reason that you couldn't just consider the EF 50mm 1.2 to be an RF 50mm 1.2 version I, and the actual RF 50mm 1.2 to be version II of the same lens?

So if you're stressing out about whether to sell your EF 50mm 1.2 for an RF 50mm 1.2, how is that conflict really any different than asking yourself if you would get rid of the EF 50mm 1.2 if they came out with an EF 50mm 1.2 version II? (Assuming you're going to buy an RF camera that can use lenses of either mount.)

They'll both work fine on your camera, but do you want to pony up for the new lens, or keep using the old one?

Ultimately I think there's a strong case to be made that Canon will never phase out the EF mount, because honestly what do they gain by making a new lens in the RF mount? The diameter is the same, you get a shorter lens to sensor distance, and ok, you get a couple extra electrical contacts, but that's it. And I think we can see from looking at the long telephoto lenses that those lenses really don't benefit from it since the rear element is already deep within the lens anyway. So why would Canon ever bother with moving these lenses over to the RF mount natively when you can just throw an adapter on them and make them an RF lens?

I think you can see from the RF lenses they've already announced that they're using the shorter distance of the RF mount to make lenses that just physically wouldn't have been possible with the EF mount. The 28-70 f2 probably wasn't possible with EF, and the 50mm 1.2 with that advanced of an optical formula probably wasn't possible with EF, or at least it's optimized to take advantage of the shorter sensor distance.

But when it comes to lenses that really don't benefit from the shorter distance, I could see Canon just leaving them as EF lenses forever. Want to use it on mirrorless? Get an adapter. It'll work flawlessly. Want to keep using it on your DSLR? No problem.

If we back up and really look at how minor the differences are in the mounts, I think it's clear that in a lot of cases Canon simply doesn't have a huge incentive to ever change a lot of the lenses over to RF, unless their optical performance can actually benefit from the shorter distance.

Canon Rumors · Sep 6, 2018

Northlight Images has done their usual weekly sorting of Canon patents to find some that may be of interest to the community and it looks like they have found one that may give some clues about future RF mount lenses. This relates well to the article from earlier today about what we expect to see released in the next year or so for the RF mount.
In this patent, Canon shows an optical formula for an RF 24-300mm f/4-5.6L IS along with two variations of an RF 24-70mm f/2.8L IS.
Included in US Patent application 2018/0252895A1:

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L IS USM (two variations)
Canon EF 24-300mm f/4-5.6L IS USM

Both lenses would be obvious additions to the early years of the Canon EOS R system.

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Jimworld · Sep 6, 2018

With yesterday's announcement of the new lens mount to go on the new EOS R. That is a lot of expensive glass to go on basicly a mirrorless 6D. So when is Cannon going to roll out new 5D and 1D bodies to support these new lenses?

Canon Rumors · Sep 6, 2018

As we all know, Canon officially announced the EOS R system yesterday and along with it, a new lens mount dubbed RF. Canon showcased some of their lens design muscle with these lenses and plans to quickly populate the lens lineup.
During yesterday’s launch, Canon mentioned that they’re already working on “a series of fast f/2.8 lenses and more”. The obviously didn’t give an exact roadmap, but we think there are some obvious choices coming ahead for the RF mount. We expect to see plenty of new lenses coming in 2019 for the system.
These are the lenses that we think make the most sense.
RF 14-24mm f/2.8L USM
The system will need a native ultrawide option and we think something like an RF 14-24mm f/2.8L USM is highly probable
RF 24-70mm f/2.8L IS USM
The classic standard zoom in a smaller size and with IS. We think this is highly likely to be one of the next lenses announced. We do think it’s possible we’ll see a wider...

Canon Rumors · Sep 6, 2018

New X-T3 introduces all-new back-illuminated 26MP X-Trans CMOS 4 sensor and X-Processor 4 processor; World’s first APS-C mirrorless camera capable of 4K/60P 10bit recording
Valhalla, N.Y., September 6, 2018 – FUJIFILM North America Corporation today unveiled the new FUJIFILM X-T3, launching the X Series mirrorless digital cameras into its fourth generation. Introducing an all-new back-illuminated 26.1MP X-Trans CMOS 4 sensor and X-Processor 4 processor, the X-T3 delivers superb image quality, dramatically improved AF performance, exceptional tracking performance of fast-moving subjects and blackout-free burst shooting. The X-T3 is also the first APS-C mirrorless camera capable of 4K/60P 10bit recording to meet the needs of professional videographers.

“We are proud to introduce the new X-T3 to market as not only the latest addition to our X Series mirrorless lineup of digital cameras, but as an introduction to fourth generation technologies that feature substantial...

Canon Rumors · Sep 6, 2018

Canon will be making some announcements ahead of IBC 2018 in Amsterdam which begins on September 13, 2018. So expect the announcements to take place early next week.
We expect to see a new “pro” camcorder announced, it will be capable of 4K at 60p and will be focused on broadcasters.
We also expect to see new Cinema EOS accessories announced, no word on what those will be. There will be no Cinema EOS camera announced for the show.
A last but not least, at least two new broadcast lenses will be announced.

MrFotoFool · Sep 6, 2018

I traded in my non-IS 70-200 2.8L (which I loved) for the new 70-200 2.8L IS iii. I did my first tests this afternoon, taken at the worst time of day for photography, but it was all I had to work with. I went out to Arizona-Sonora Desert Museum, which is a hybrid zoo/garden/museum. As most of you know this lens is just a rebrand of the version 2, with a different shade of white paint and some new lens coatings to reduce flare.

I never liked white lenses and would far prefer if they made it in black. That being said, the new shade of white is even worse than the old. The old had a slightly warm cast, but the new is stark white and almost looks cyan in comparison. The important part is how it works and how sharp it is, of course, and there are no surprises. We already know it's a great lens because the version 2 is a great lens - one of the best zoom lenses ever (and if you have a version 2, don't bother changing).

First test of flare is a shot of pathway with hood on and hood off. The sun was high in the sky, so not much of a test, but I was at an angle where the full sun hit the glass with the hood off. The two shots look identical to me, so the flare control seems to work in normal situations making the use of the hood less essential perhaps than with other lenses.

Next to really test flare, I found a tall flower where I could kneel down and shoot almost directly into the sun with the hood off. The sun is just out of frame above the image area. There are no sun streaks and flare seems to be very well controlled indeed. Image is a bit hazy, but not bad at all and certainly easy to fix with a bump in contrast during post production. (I should mention that all of these samples are unedited JPEG except for downsizing).

I also wanted to make sure the AI focus tracking mode worked and found an unusually active skunk. Camera tracked it reasonably well, with face sharp at f2.8 on a large percentage of images. Of course a walking skunk is not the same as a bird in flight and if that is your primary interest, you are apparently better off with Nikon (as per Art Morris' recent switch).

With a sitting mountain lion I used the single shot mode, focusing on the eyes. Even shooting at an angle through glass (handheld), the detail is exceptional, as this crop of the left eye shows.

Final test is the image stabilization (which is reportedly identical to version 2, so no improvement there but as I said I had the non-IS version). In the reptile building I zoomed out to 200mm and started low at 1/13 then 1/20 second with blurry results. At 1/40 I got ok but not tack sharp result (though if I was at a better angle I might have gotten sharp). At 1/60 it was tack sharp, which is still not bad for a 200mm lens. I turned off the IS for comparison and it was quite blurry indeed.

Conclusion: My non-IS lens was stellar and I debated getting rid of it (and still partly wonder if I made the right choice). I decided to switch not only for the image stabilization but also because the IS ii and iii focus almost a foot closer. If you have a version 2 stick with it, but if not the version 3 lists for the same price so you may as well get the newest one like I did. If you shoot into the sun a lot then the version 3 may be an upgrade.

Jaysheldon · Sep 5, 2018

Nikon Canada held one of a series of into meetings for the new cameras tonight for Canadian Nikon dealers, pros and reporters. I got an invite through a friend who knows I'm a photo enthusiast. I can't tell you much about the cameras because I only got to briefly handle a Z7 with a 105mm f1.4 (heavy lens) and a Z6 with the new 500mm f5.6 (even heavier lens), so I can't tell you if using an EVF after a few hours is tiring but I thought you might be interested in a few observations:
--Nikon is going all out to attract buyers. Nikon Canada will have a "Z-Series Owners Club" -- only in Canada (initially, at least. Presumably if it takes off other countries will be quick to follow). No promises on benefits, but my guess is swag. At any rate it will promote camaraderie (which Nikonians don't lack already)
--I'm among those who so far have said no to the R series because I don't want an adaptor for my EF lenses, but when handling the cameras, both of which had adopters, I didn't notice them in terms of weight or balance. In other forums here M-series users have said switching around adapters and their caps is clumsy. I'm re-thinking.
--Get ready for lots of marketing stressing a) IBIS and the joys of hand holding a camera at arm's length at ground/water level at 1/60 of a second or less, b) that both Z series cameras and lenses so far are fully weather sealed c) focus by wire lenses can be programmed so the manual focus ring can do things like change your exposure compensation or aperture and d) few shooters really need dual card slots
--Overheard from Nikon Canada marketing manager: F series bodies and lens will be around for the next "5,10, 15 years." but, he suggested, not much longer after that
--and a photo trick: Want to take moody shots of people being soaked with rain with a dark background like this Login to view embedded media Shoot in your backyard after dark, rig a hose to a PCV pipe with holes in it suspended between two light stands. Turn on water. Protect your side lights with plastic. Make sure your model is also standing on plastic -- or he/she will soon be standing in mud

Jay in Toronto

YuengLinger · Sep 5, 2018

Did I miss the rumors? And why is you-know-who so quiet?

Ozarker · Sep 5, 2018

Canon RF 28-70mm f/2L USM = $2,999! What a beast! 3.15 lbs and a close focus distance of 1.28'
https://www.adorama.com/car28702.html

Canon RF 50mm f/1.2L USM = $2,299
https://www.adorama.com/car5012.html

Canon RF 24-105mm f/4L IS USM = $1,099
https://www.adorama.com/car241054.html

Canon RF 35mm f/1.8 Macro IS STM = $499
https://www.adorama.com/car3518.html

Canon EOS R Mirrorless Full Frame Digital Camera Body = $2,299

DManInDFW · Sep 5, 2018

With all of the excitement surrounding the R, is there still no word on the 80D replacement? While the R I have no doubt will be a pretty terrific camera, as an amateur on a limited hobbyist budget I am still hoping for a 90D to be coming soon. Is one still coming? Please share your thoughts.

I suppose I COULD try and unload my 70-300 L and use those funds along with the other $1200 I have set aside to put toward the purchase of the new R but then that leaves a large gaping hole in my VERY limited lens line-up. Ugh. Come on Canon, gives us a new and more economical choice.

I'm not in THAT big of a hurry so I can wait a bit longer for a new body but it sure would be nice to know more about the elusive 90 and an expected release date IF they are still planning on this.

Sharlin · Sep 5, 2018

Lenscracker · Sep 5, 2018

I think I read everything so far about the EOS R, but I can find no mention as to whether Canon is still building in a non selectable low pass filter. Does anybody know if this image blurring mechanism is still being forced on us?

Canon Rumors · Sep 5, 2018

The guys over at DPReview have done a first impression video about the new Canon EOS R system. The guys seem to feel the camera is a mirrorless version of the EOS 6D Mark II in some ways and the EOS 5D Mark IV in others.
They seem to be quite impressed with the first four RF lenses that Canon has announced, and there’s a lot more of them coming in 2019.
The autofocus also impressed during their short time with the camera and make note of the -6 EV capabilities of the AF system.

axtstern · Sep 5, 2018

Sure the 28-70 1:2.0 sounds nice but for the beginning I would like to go with the Sigma 1.8 Zooms I own.
Any chance of the EOS R and it's flange distance being the vehicle to make all my APS C lenses full frame capable?

Canon Rumors · Sep 5, 2018

Canon has released a whole bunch of resources alongside the new Canon EOS R system. One of the more interesting reads, if you’re into the technical stuff, is the official Canon EOS R system white paper.
The white paper also discusses the technical limitations of EF and why the RF lens mount is a positive step forward for creators. Along with a ton of information about the four RF mount lenses announced today.
You can download the official Canon EOS R white paper from Canon directly here.

Canon Rumors · Sep 5, 2018

ApoTelyt has updated their CAM-parator app with the Canon EOS R. We have pulled the images comparing the Canon EOS R to both the Sony A7 III and Nikon Z6. The Sony looks to be the smallest of the bunch, with the Canon and Nikon being closer in size, but the Canon a slightly larger grip and overall thickness.
Check out the comparisons below.

Canon EOS R vs Sony A7 III // Click for larger
Canon EOS R vs Nikon Z6 // Click for larger

vjlex · Sep 5, 2018

A bit early, but let's get it started! How does the Canon EOS R compare to the 5D Mark IV?

I admit, this is for completely self-serving reasons, but I'm sure the feedback can be useful to others stuck between choosing one or the other.

EOS 5D4 Pro/Cons vs R
+CIPA-rated at 900 shots per charge (OVF doesn't burn battery like an EVF)
+Native mounting of EF lenses (no need to buy an adapter)
+Faster burst (with proper AF working)
+Larger buffer
+dual card slots
+built-in GPS
+Proper control wheel and buttons around the thumb grip
+same LP-E6(N) batteries as 5D II, III, 6D, 7D, R series cameras (among others)
-heavier
-static LCD
- cannot mount new RF lenses
-no native C-Log on early models

EOS R Pro/Cons vs 5D4
+lighter
+newer technology (native RF mount, Eye-AF)
+cheaper
+vari-angle flipscreen
+same LP-E6(N) batteries as 5D II, III, IV, 6D, 7D series cameras (among others)
+improved low-light capabiliy (ISO 100-40000 with expansion up to 102400)
+faster SD slot (UHS-II)
+USB 3.1 plus ability to charge battery in-camera (LP-E6N only)
+faster autofocus
+autofocus at f11
-CIPA-rated at 350 shots per charge (EVF) / 370 shots (LCD), Power saving mode 430 and 450 shots respectively, Eco mode 540 and 560 shots

I'll be happy to update this first post as necessary with feedback provided from the comments.

**Thanks to @ahsanford for helping me get the list started.

dtgphoto · Sep 5, 2018

I am a lifelong canon user since my original ae1-program and a current 5D Mark IV user (and M3 owner). I've been observing the developments in the market for the last couple of weeks.. Like most of us Canon users I have had a degree of envy over sensors in the likes of A7riii and D850 but my camera needs to withstand the rigours of sea, salt and rain a lot so kind of rules out the Sony even with the supposed improvements in weather sealing...and Nikon Z seems like a futile attempt to prop up sales for nikon purists which won't succeed in dragging back lost users nor converting any from canon or Sony.

I was hoping Canon would take this challenge seriously rather than an arrogant stance. It appears to me that they have and for what I do that the R is going to be a great option.

My camera spends almost all its life on a tripod... Therefore I don't need IBIS. I switch off IS on the L lenses I own anyway.

I almost always use a remote shutter and live view and the 5DIV has great auto focus even through 6 & sometimes 10 stop nd filters so having better auto focus on the R will mean never having to manually focus in low light. Battery life will be no different on the R to the 5DIV in live view tbh anyway and I have plenty of spare batteries.

When not on a tripod I tend to shoot in slow speed mode and the silent option will be brilliant for candids.

The resolution of 30mp is good enough to be comparable to the 5D and when the Pro body comes out I expect that to be around the 50mp range.

Its smaller and lighter.. Travelling with the 5DIV and lenses is tricky for a lot of airlines and lugging it up hills is tricky for me... If that cuts weight then great - I am not a spring chicken anymore

I have never shot video so I have no interest in that.

I assume the dynamic range will at least be as good as the 5DIV and that is plenty for me although better is better

I for one will get one on preorder and use it alongside the 5DIV snd see which one gets taken out to play more often then probably get the higher spec one when that is released.

Just my two pence worth

Mark D5 TEAM II · Sep 5, 2018

"This, the element I found most difficult to get my head around, was the thing that in the end I fell most in love with – there are 5,655 selectable AF positions with touch and drag, that’s incredible to me. Heading out for shoots in recent weeks since I’ve returned the Canon EOS R, I have found myself a little frustrated with the constraints of using the joystick on my Canon EOS 1DX Mark II."

https://www.helenbartlett.co.uk/general/canon-eos-r-first-impressions/

MartinF. · Sep 5, 2018

With the launch of EOS R and the RF mount, my prediction will be, that we will see no more new Canon DSLR's except from maybe a new 5D and a new 1D meant for professionals.

The replacement for 80D, 7D and 6D series will be RF mount bodies - or maybe just one in-between Prosumer DSLR with EF mount as a cash-cow and a retension option for existing EF lense owners.
The Rebel / Kiss / XXXD / XXXXD series will be minimized to a few also as cash-cows.

Professionals change camerabodies much more often than prosumers. As soon as Canon has a 24-70 f/2.8 a 70-200 f/4, a 300 and a 400 a lot of the mediabusiness reportage photographers and probably other profs' as well will ship to the R-series / RF-mount line.
I guess Canon in less than a year from now (as soon a the have one or two pro "R-bodies" will come with some very good offerings for the large medias and agencies to change a large EF lens collection into RF lenses.

Canon Rumors · Sep 5, 2018

MELVILLE, N.Y., September 5, 2018 – Most professional photographers need to carry multiple lenses in their camera bags. Helping to lighten their load, Canon U.S.A. Inc., a leader in digital imaging solutions, introduces two new super-telephoto lenses, the EF 400mm f/2.8L IS III USM and EF 600mm f/4L IS III USM. Both lenses possess a dramatic weight reduction and high-image quality, making it ideal for shooters to easily transport and capture images during action-driven scenarios, such as sports and wildlife. Both lenses now hold the title of world’s lightest in their respective focal length*. The weight of the EF 400mm f/2.8L IS III USM and EF 600mm f/4L IS III USM lenses has been reduced by 2.2 lbs. (more than 25 percent) and 1.9 lbs. (more than 20 percent) respectively.

“When developing updates to some of Canon’s most popular legacy lenses, one common question that is asked by photographers was ‘can they be lighter,’” said Kazuto Ogawa, president and chief operating officer...

Canon Rumors · Sep 5, 2018

MELVILLE, N.Y., September 5, 2018 – Helping to rewrite the rules of visual expression, Canon U.S.A. Inc., a leader in digital imaging solutions, today introduced a variety of new RF lenses and accessories to accompany the newly announced EOS R Full-Frame Mirrorless Camera System. The four new RF lenses are built around Canon’s new RF mount, which features a large 54mm diameter and shorter back focus distance than on current EOS DSLR cameras. The new RF mount enables new possibilities in optical design and lens formulation, allowing for faster and lighter lenses with higher performing optics.

The four new lenses, the Canon RF 28-70mm F2 L USM, RF 50mm F1.2 L USM, RF 24-105mm F4 L IS USM and RF 35mm F1.8 MACRO IS STM capitalize on the robust optic foundation of Canon’s new EOS R system. The design behind Canon’s new EOS R camera and RF lens system started with the concept of the optimal rear lens element diameter and shorter distance (back focus) for a Full-Frame image sensor.
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