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Blindly pre-order 5D4 - Why NOT

After some time has passed and more rumor details regarding the 5D4 appeared why am I ready to blindly pre-order 5D4? And why I believe some people shouldn't be upset with the rumored specs.

I think 5D4 is a decent time for an upgrade, but would you agree with my arguments?

Also feel free to consider it as a summary of my 5 years experience on this forum.

3 years ago I wrote here that CANON is listening to speculations and desires expressed in sites like CR. IMHO especially CR!
Diko said:
When one reads this whole topic, he/she would stay with the impression that everyone's happy with CANONs doings...
....
Better concentrate on what you WANT!
Not on EXPLAINING Canon's reasoning.

If I were from CANON's marketing dep. and read this here ... report that people ...acknowledge this and that issue... but are pretty, pretty happy - ergo could put the solution's R&D on this and that on a lower priority level for now.
Undoubtedly I believe this forum is a place which many people visit even without registering. Here opinions are created. A lot is learnt and many why's are being answered.

2 years later in March 2015 Canon's Managing Director and Chief Executive, Image Communication Products Operations - Masaya Maeda said:
We’re currently in the process of investigating, mainly to satisfy the needs of news media, and we have every intention of addressing this need in future products.
Many would say that CR is no NEWS MEDIA, but actually many bloggers and journalists come here as this is a good shortcut to learn how new CANON DSLR is being perceived. Ergo they write about it later on.

He also mentioned back then:
Personally, I think we’re slow as well. One of our themes now as a company is upon developing a new technology, to shorten the time between development and when that technology is introduced into a product. We need to shorten that time.

In September the same year he added:
Right now, we use both on-chip and off-chip, but recently I made the decision going forward to concentrate on the on-chip.
and
The intent is to increase the performance. In terms of cost, this may be a little negative, but in terms of the direction to take, this will make us more competitive.

The interviewer, Dave Etchells, explained:
Some have pointed to the use of off-chip A/D converters as contributing to lower dynamic range numbers for Canon sensors, when compared to those of Nikon and others in tests such as those published on DxOMark.com. Because separate A/D converters require transmitting analog signals from the image sensor to the converter, more electrical noise can enter the signal chain, resuting in higher noise floors. On-sensor A/D also enables massive parallelism in the A/D conversion, and thereby higher frame rates and possibly lower rolling shutter artifacts.
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There was some speculation that Canon was locked out of this technology by patents held by Sony and others.

IMHO those additional production costs may be due to the SONY & CANON SENSOR (PATENT) PARTNERSHIP:
Sony will make them and they will have EXMOR technology, for Canon they will get the DualPixel AF. So it’s a patent exchange that helps both companies. Sony will still sell the sensors to Nikon, but only without the DualPixel technology.
However no matter if speculations or not. The results both on paper and in real life show a stable improvement on the above mentioned "future products" so far.

I. The results and the reasons why I am going to blindly pre-order it

1/ Increased DR in the current generation CMOS even according to DxOmark (1dx = 11.8 Evs VS 1Dx2 = 13.5 Evs & 80D = 13.2 Evs), who only took in consideration what was on sensor excluding the rest of circuitry thus rating previous generation Canon DSLRs much lower. I doubt that anyone expects from Canon to release its next iteration of the most successful DSLR line with less than those 13.somehting Evs.

2/ Increased resolution, which combined with better DR and increased ISO (please note "New noise reduction algorithm", let's hope it's before RAW output and not JPEG related only) will make IMHO a game changer, and a true value for its price DSLR body. Please note that a few innovations compared to 1Dx2 are in place. I wouldn't be surprised if Techradar change their mind after getting their hands on 5D4.

3/ True unseen innovation. Whatever people speculate DPRAW is twice the size of regular RAW (DPRAW: 66.9 Mb. vs RAW: 36.8 Mb.). That's for a reason.
The question that remains is if Canon will give license and share the know-how to operate to Adobe (LR, CR for PS usage) and Phase One (C1).

4/ And all the other little goodness: TimeLapse, finally an electronic leveling, GPS, WiFi, USB 3.0, 7 fps.

There's even 4k@4:2:2 and weird 720p@120fps Slow Mo. The first is awesome, but I doubt I will make such great use of it. And the latter which could be IMHO much much better.

I am still missing though:
- the "tilty flippy" display (super usefull for events)
- 1080P@240 fps or higher (if I could only utilize my Canon EF glass on my smartphone it woulnd't be that much of a problem)
- Voice notes attached to the image (It might be there, or could be added via firmware update or ML can provided)

II. And to all those people that needed more than:

1/ 7 fps. Go buy a 1Dx2 (14.0 fps) or 7D2 (10.0 fps) and shut up!

Back in December 2001 the first 1D had "Approx. 8 fps in high-speed continuous shooting drive mode".

And as Neuro pointed out the obvious:
neuroanatomist said:
I liked the suggestion that the 5DIII at 6 fps is "pretty damn slow". It's a helluva lot faster than a thumb...

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For such fine granularity in capturing the moment I really believe that this either must be your job that pays your bills AND you are in action photography OR simply a whim for luxury treatment. Both deserve paying the extra dollar for 1Dx2 or committing the trade off for its smaller-in-sensor brother 7D2.

A third option is to buy NIKON D820 instead? Word has it it will have 153-point system that has 99 cross-type and 70-80 MPs. Can't find it, but someone claimed 14 fps as well. For me it's a pure overkill and besides all my glass is (for) Canon.

2/ Missing IBIS. No need since even a low-light fan like me will manage to handle shaking with the help of them 30Mps, ISO and good quality glass. And NO! For God's sake IS on BOTH Glass & Body will NOT make blur from shaking disappear. This ain't simple first grade math problem. It's complicated physics of light, where even Gravity matters.

3/ Stupid comparison with SONYNIKONPENTAXHASSELBLADPHASEONE. Screw it!

a) Sony had a huge benefit from their IMX161 CMOS MF, their IMX094 FF sensors and many other before that. It is damn good CMOS sensor vendor.

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But others seem to catch up accroding to the: 2016 Chip World's predictions
There has been a steady evolution in the image sensor biz, with Sony leading the pack, and culminating in the deep-trench isolation between pixels in the Apple 6s/6s Plus camera. Sony has had a two year+ lead in stacking the sensor on top of the image processor and connecting the two with custom TSVs, but we now see OmniVision and Samsung with design wins using multiple versions of its new stacked chip products

b) Never-the-less however the only true competitor in the photography equipment still stays NIKON. And they don't seem to get ahead in sales. There must be a reason for that.
rrcphoto said:
rrcphoto said:
Interesting, is that canon now holds nearly a 50% of the overall marketshare.
...
1Q Canon - 40%, Nikon - 30%, all others - 30%
2Q Canon - 58%, Nikon - 28%, all others - 14%
...
between the two largest manufactures:
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Canon - 49%
Nikon - 29%
Everyone else - 22% ...
Most probably as he also mentioned his source is CIPA.

6/ Waiting for 5D5. Skipping so much innovation on purpose is a total nonsense, because for me 5D3 had only a shy improvement in the main numbers at best with a few 1Dx stolen features for better sales even lacking WiFi. Actually not a bad camera, but not that good either. Because it didn't worth the price asked.

Both NIKON & CANON show trend of steady slowing pace on new model iteration releases.
No matter if it's for profit or lack of enough R&D reasons the truth is obvious!

NIKON:
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CANON
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Probably 5D5 would be available somewhere around 2022. ;-) And that is ONLY if until then CANON doesn't decide to stop the series.

All that being said why would you blindly pre-order? Or why NOT. Would you upgrade your 5D3 or the new features aren't that attractive? Would you upgrade APS-H 1D Mark IV?

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Which scanner.......?

I've been reading reviews and have gone through 3 threads on this site but have a question. I recently received a lot of old family photos. These exist as Polaroids, old portraits, cut pages from yearbooks / newspapers and piles of snapshots, all without negatives. I plan to digitize these pictures. Many are fading or scratched and there are quite a few that are just terrible exposures. This also is making me consider the boxes of old film images I have from my own efforts that I probably should organize and digitize as well, some with negatives and some without.

I have an old HP flatbed document scanner (HP 6200c) that I use with Vuescan to create TIFF files for editing but it just does not give me the IQ I need. Some images are "beyond repair" but with PS and LR, I've been able to make others passable. I will probably never print any of these any larger than 8.5 x 11 inches. All of this has led me to think about a better scanner. Given the number of images for which there are no negatives, I am thinking about a flatbed scanner but want the ability to use negatives when available. I could, I suppose, get both a negative / film scanner and a flatbed, but that is not realistic.

I looked at the Canoscan 9000F ii, but think I'll go with the Epson -V600 vs. V800 vs. V850. My question: I am familiar with the specifications of each. In the real world of use, will I notice a significant difference in the IQ with any of these devices? Will a V600 "suffice" for my needs? It is quite a bit more capable than what I've got now. Or should I get the V800/850? Except for software and some film holders, the only difference between the V800 and V850 that I see is an "anti-reflective coating" on some of the components. How much does this affect what I'll see in the final image?

Any thoughts and information is appreciated.

Full frame EOS-M- DPAF is here to save focus woes and DPAF post processing

After picking up my 70D, I was thinking it would be awesome to do some of the features now in the 5D MARK IV, primarily in post processing... Just wanted to bring it up again as a cool way to use the information captured by DPAF.
http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=20559.0;topicseen

But before I digress any further, what is the likelihood of seeing a full frame EOS-M, a new set of STM lenses and a new, smaller, capable and evolution in Canon's mirrorless lineup?

I think this would be my ideal camera- full frame and all the functionality of DPAF - but in a mirorless package.

Thoughts or other rumors I am missing? Thanks!

  • Poll Poll
Help my thinking. Which camera option.

Yes?

  • 5D4 ($3500)

    Votes: 11 57.9%
  • 1DX2 ($6000)

    Votes: 5 26.3%
  • 5DsR + G40 ($4000)

    Votes: 2 10.5%
  • A6300 ($1500)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • A6300 + G40 ($2500)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 1DC ($5000)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Something completely else.

    Votes: 1 5.3%

So finally we have solid specs on 5D4, so I need to decide what to get. I already have 1DX(1) for sports, but I've been looking to add:

-something better for studio (=more Mpix, more DR)
-something with AF during video (either "real" video cam or DSLR with DPAF)
-something with 1080p120fps video (for sports)

Not mandatory but for bonus points:
-something which takes EF lenses
-something with silent shutter
-something smaller than 1D body for easy daily "P&S" carry (but still good quality)

I was hoping 5D4 scores on all of those, but sounds like it falls short on the 1080p120 fps. So different options I've been trying to think. Give me opinions please to help me decide. Just speaking aloud (typing here) already does plenty, but sometimes there's reasons to go certain option that I didn't think of, so it's good to get the collective hive to give pointers too.

Option1: Stop being pussy and just get 5D4 and be happy with it. Only thing missing from my wish list is 1080p120. ~$3500

Option2: Get 1DX2. Not really more Mpix or DR, plus no silent and not small. And expensive. Otherwise awesome camera. $6000

Option3: Get 5DsR for studio and G40 for video. G40 is only 1080p60, also doesn't take EF lenses meaning dim indoors it doesn't have as much light as other cameras could have. ~$4000

Option4: Get Sony A6300 with Metabones. Using adapter not sure if it'd be better for studio compared to 1DX. But supports 1080p120 and is much smaller than other options. ~$1500

Option5: Get Sony A6300, Metabones and G40. Not sure if this is any better than option4. ~$2500

(editing more after having couple beers to clear my head)

Option6: 1DC. Good video but not DPAF. Not good studio. Not silent, not small. Semi-expensive. $5000

Option7: Something else?


Hjelp?

I really wouldn't like to invest in two systems. Also even more I wouldn't like to invest in 2 glasses, so buying the Sony-E Zeiss lenses would be even less favorable option, although I've heard lot of good reviews on those. But if Canon is not the best option I need to consider.

Canon 5D MKIV from a Video Perspective

OK so we now know what the 5D Mak IV is going to be based on the history of CR track record of accuracy.

The 5D model, the MK II, is a camera that single-handedly started the ''DSLR Revolution'' which completely turned the video/cinema world upside down.

Then Canon made improvements to the 5DII on the III (real good improvements), but other manufacturers seemed to just keep pulling ahead in video technology and we've been waiting for Canon to strike back and come back as the video leader.

The biggest and most major downside with Canon DSLRs (and 5DIII) is video resolution/sharpness. Many think it's just that it doesn't shoot 4K video but the fact is that it shoots quite soft 1080p video. While it's contained in a 1080p wrapper it's much closer to 720p. This was fine in the earlier days but now companies are offering real 1080p resolution (Sony A7s) and beyond (4K) in cheaper and smaller cameras. Canon needed to address this ASAP before anything else. It's resolution after all that gives that WOW effect and why everyone is jumping to GH4/A7s. It looks impressive and sharp in YT in 1080p and 2160p.

The first Canon to address this is the 1DX II which offered incredible resolution at 4K (real DCI) (well the 1DC was the first and had that resolution way back but we won't count it, being at launch a 12.000 USD camera). But both cameras are really not at a price point to make an impact on the video world as a whole. It's a sports DSLR.



Which brings us to the 5D IV.

What does it have for us video peeps:


1- 4K MJPEG 500mbps.


People who are bitching about that and saying it should be H.264, have NEVER used that codec before and know very little about videography.

Motion Jpeg on the 1DC and 1DXII and 5DIV, is a MUCH superior codec to ALL competing 4K cameras out there. It's simply a much higher image quality. Much higher data and less to zero compression artefacts. And a little unknown fact is that MJPEG on the 5D is 500mbps 8bit 4:2:2, meaning it's EBU Broadcast approved and is ''broadcast quality/accepted'' for HD acquisition while all the other competitors simply cannot be used for that as they have 100mbps 8bit 4:2:0 codecs. So the MJPEG codec offers much higher colour and data information.

This comes in the form of larger file sizes, OF COURSE it does. Would you rather a lower quality codec in a smaller file? Canon could have easily done that. But they choose MJPEG to leap the competition and give a higher IQ. If you want small file sizes, th 5D IV and 1DX II can also shoot h.264 4:2:0 HD. Go ahead and shoot that.

If you ever used the Canon MJPEG 4K files you know what the image quality is like in terms of lack of compression artefacts, fine film grain, huge colour palette, much more versatile and grade-able image than H.264. Just better and better. Again. Want smaller files, shoot H.264 HD or convert your MJPEG files to anything on you PC, even Standard Def for all I know.

MJPEG 500Mbps 4:2:2 4K images is the most exciting part about the 5DIV video, as it means it's again for once has just has better IQ and higher end image than all the rivals. Not a downside. The fat files with Canon filmic and proven picture styles' colours, lowlight, 4K sharpness, will give very special images at that price point.


2- Slowmotion

The 5DIV gives us slowmotion capability. One is 2x slo-mo in 1080p. and 4X slo-mo in 720p.

While I wanted 4x at 1080p, its great we do have the ability to hand out slowmotion files for out clients. Wedding videographers will be using that 2x 1080p a lot for sure. And sports videographers will be using that 4x 720p.


3- Dual Pixel AF with Touch panel


No other video shooting device has this. It's the first time we can now shoot high quality, broadcast level, 4K 4:2:2 video, and have out focusing performed using a touch screen. This feature is HUGE. It almost eliminated the need for follow focus devices and even focus pullers on high end shoots. It proved to be that reliable and good on the 1DXII. It's magic. And best of all, works with all AF lenses. Now any inexperienced shooter can shoot large sensor video with organic focus pulls, and pros can forget about one burden (focus ring) and focus on composition, and this will be also extremlely handy for rigs and stabilization units like steadicams/glidecams/ronins/movi etc where previously your only option was to get a wireless follow focus device and hire someone to focus on a separate monitor for you. Now set to face detection, record. See how big this actually is? This technology will be scaled up in the far future to Alexa/Red type cameras I am sure.

From the 5D II to III Canon tried to fix the problems of shooting video on DSLRs and these will translate to the MK IV surely so add those too.

1- Eliminated moire and aliasing
2- Gave good audio with silent manual control with the touch pad
3- Gave a headphone out to monitor audio
4- fixed overheating issues and extended recording to the max 30min vs 12min.
5- offered a dedicated record and video liveview mode with meters, dedicated expsoure
6- gave a 1080p HDMI output for monitoring and clean for recording




So the 5D IV is a very interesting video proposition. The things it lacks are:

1- We don't know if the 4K is FF or a 1:1 crop. Which would be a near APS-C one. Still good but we hope for FF. The 1:1 crop from the 20mp 1DXII gives a small crop to APS-H but at 30mp 1.6/1.7x crop is not small and is a totally different sensor size. This could potentially make the 5D a 4K APS-C camera and a FF HD camera.

2- Canon refuses to give non "C" cameras "C"-Log. Which increases highlight DR by at least 1-2 stops (time to install that Cinestyle again to get LOG images -which works very well with the 1DXII btw-)

4- Canon refuses to give manual focus users simple aids like peaking.

5- Of course no EVF and tilty LCD, so you'll get those screen loups out of the closet again (which do make great EVFs to be honest but just another thing to carry and makes the camera bigger)


The biggest missing detail by far is the 4K video crop. If it's a whole sensor downsample from 30mp to 4K (which Canon has never done) or a 1:1 APS-C+ Crop.



So how does it leap other common rivals?

A7s/r: 500mbps 4:2:2 vs 10mbps 4:2:0, higher image quality overall, much better colour rendition and skin tones, much stronger body and button layout. Magical focus system and bigger cheaper lens line-up. Much bigger battery life and no overheating issues.

GH4: Same huge codec difference so higher data rate but the Panny has good Canon-like colours so that's not issue as the sony. Bigger stronger body, DPAF, Much bigger sensor (biggest one here, two different camera classes) and lowlight performance (horrible on GH4) and DR.


I can't wait to play with fat colourful MJPEG files off the 5D IV and see how it does in 4K lowlight at 6400+ ISO.


My next video rig is probably going to be the 5D IV + Zucoto LCD loup + Rode mic + new 24-105mm F4/L.

Small, stabilized, simple, with cinema/broadcast quality files.


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100mm L Macro: Extension Tubes vs Close Up lens for extra magnification?

Hi All,

I just recently scored on the Canon 100mm L Macro lens and starting to get into the wonderful world of macro photography.

It is, I believe a 1:1 magnification lens. I'm in need of advice on how to get more magnification while keeping quality.

I've heard extension tubes are one way to do this. However, from my research, it seems to indicate that extension tubes are best done for shorter focal length lenses and that the benefits start to really dimmish as the focal length increases....I found (and lost) a weblink that showed what you get per mm focal length and the 100mm didn't seem to benefit that much.

This article also said that the 100mm might benefit more from something called a Close Up lens, which seems basically to be a screw on magnifying glass. It said this had limits at some point with adding distortion at the edges I believe...?

So, hoping to get some advice...preferrable *Bang for the Buck* if at all possible...hahaha.......but get thoughts on the best route to go to go beyond 1:1 macro shooting with the 100mm Macro....

And in each category, what's the best to get on extension tube(s) and which is best to get for a Close Up lens for it?

Thank you all in advance!!

Cayenne

*UPDATED* When is All of the New Stuff Going to Ship?

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The most asked questions about the new Canon EOS 5D Mark IV, EF 16-35mm f/2.8L III and EF 24-105mm f/4L IS II are when can I get one? and how much do they cost?</p>
<p><strong>Canon EOS 5D Mark IV</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>We’ve been told  that it will start shipping <del>sometime before October</del> in mid September. As you can see by the image above, the BG-E20 battery grip & 5D Mark IV kits are floating around the planet.</li>
<li>We haven’t been able to nail down cost in the United States, but we expect it to be between $3200-$3500 body only.</li>
<li>Body price in Canada will be $4299</li>
<li>Body price in Europe will be €3799 according to <a href="http://photorumors.com/2016/08/18/big-canon-announcement-on-august-25th-5d-mark-iv-camera-price-e3799/">Photo Rumors</a></li>
</ul>
<p><strong>EF 24-105mm f/4L IS II</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>We expect this to ship at the same time as the EOS  5D Mark IV. We’ve seen the kits being available before the body only in the past. The kit with the EF 24-105mm f/4L IS II will be more expensive than the EF 24-70mm f/4L IS kit.</li>
<li>We don’t see any EF 24-105mm f/4L IS II kits in transit from the image above.</li>
<li>We have no information on the ship time or price for the standalone lens. We suspect it’ll be cheaper to get a “white box” version soon after launch.</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>EF 16-35mm f/2.8L III</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>We’re told that this lens will start shipping sometime in October.</li>
<li>Cost is unknown at this time.</li>
</ul>
<p>We’ll update as soon as we hear more. Keep in mind, ship dates can change with the weather. Though we’re confident this is going to be a quick and successful launch like we saw previously with t he EOS 5D Mark  III.</p>
<p>Original image from post after the break.</p>
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Lensrentals.com Compares Lenses at 400mm

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Lensrentals.com had some fun and tested various lenses at 400mm, some are zooms and others are primes. As you might expect the 400mm f/2.8 lenses came out on top, in price and performance.</p>
<p>From Roger:</p>
<blockquote><p>I don’t think we really did too much here today except to have some fun and confirm, in numbers, what most people already know. The 400mm f/2.8 lenses, if you can afford one and don’t mind carrying it, are amazing. Canon’s new 400mm f/4 DO IS II is also superb, at least as good as the 300mm f/2.8 IS II with a teleconverter.</p>
<p>Canon’s 100-400 IS II is, from an MTF standpoint, the best zoom at 400mm, but the Nikon 200-500 and both the Sigma and Tamron 150-600s are also really good, far less expensive, and have greater range. The Nikon 80-400 VR II is not quite as good at 400 as the competition. <a href="https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2016/08/the-sort-of-great-400mm-shootout/">Read the full article at Lensrentals.com</a></p></blockquote>
<p>This is a great era in lens design, as it appears to be really hard to make the wrong decision.</p>
<p>Canon EF 400mm f/2.8L IS II: <strong>USA:</strong> <a href="https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/732109-USA/Canon_4412B002_EF_400mm_f_2_8L_IS.html/bi/2466/kbid/3296">B&H Photo</a> | <a href="http://amzn.to/2buZN2O">Amazon</a> <strong>UK:</strong> <a href="http://tidd.ly/6aa33e2b">Park Cameras</a> <strong>Germany: </strong><a href="https://ad.zanox.com/ppc/?39064896C77526565&ULP=[[https://www.calumetphoto.de/product/Canon-EF-400-mm/2-8L-IS-USM-II/CAN40028ISUSMII]]">Calumet</a></p>
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Viewfinder off/ focus confirmation question :)

Hi guys and gals!

I was wondering about buying a manual focus lens. I have the focusing screen EC-S and when I manually focus my 35mm focus is CLEARLY behind subject when the confirmation lamp lights up. But when I push the shutter the picture is very sharp where I aimed. And when I focus so that my VF is sharp on the subject, the picture is way off. I have tried to adjust the diopter but it just gets worse either way.

I then tried with my normal focusing screen and realized, the issue is there as well, I just never noticed because I just trust the AF and use servo and it just works.

What is wrong when the VF is off ?

Custom Buttons for Video with 1DX

I typically am a stills guy but recently have been asked to help out on a video project because I have experience shooting in water and a good housing. My housing is for the 1DX and is set up for stills primarily.

That said I have access to a few buttons still. Shutter, both wheels, play button, *, and Q.

Is it possible to switch the record function from the m.Fn button to any of these? It'd be the easiest solution at this point to be able to take on this job.

EF 16-35mm f/2.8L III & EF 24-105mm f/4L IS II Images & Specifications

EF 16-35mm f/2.8L III USM

Filter diameter: 82mm
Size: 88.5 x 127.5mm
Weight: 790g

The old version EF 16-35mm f/2.8L II USM lens is:

Filter Thread: 82mm
Size: 88.5 x 111.6mm
Weight: 635g


EF 24-105mm f/4L IS II USM

Filter diameter: 77mm
Size: 83.5 x 118 mm
Weight: 795g

The old version EF 24-105mm f/4L IS USM lens is:

Filter Thread: 77mm
Size: 83.8 x 106.7mm
Weight: 670g

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300mm f/2.8L IS II vs. 400mm f/4 DO IS II ---> price difference

I've read tons of reviews comparing the two lenses. Seems there are supporters in both camps. Not here to argue over which lens is better for what purpose.

One of the common arguments with getting the 300 over the 400 DO is price:

- CPW price for 300: $5600
- CPW price for 400: $5800

The $200 difference is minimal if you're spending that much on a lens. Given that both lenses are practically on equal footing as far as price, what would people choose? Is it still a matter of picking the FL you're after? Is the IQ difference between the two (e.g. bare, 1.4x, 2x) minimal enough to where it IS really about FL?

Just curious about what people say now that the price for the 400 DO II is a lot less than retail ($6900).

  • Poll Poll
What are you the most *excited* about with the newly leaked 5D4 specs?

What is the best part of the leaked 5D4 specs? (Besides the fact that we finally have them.)

  • Resolution is just about right

    Votes: 12 12.8%
  • We finally have 4K in an interchangeable lens rig for less than $6k

    Votes: 3 3.2%
  • Wifi!

    Votes: 2 2.1%
  • GPS!

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Touchscreen

    Votes: 3 3.2%
  • This new dual-pixel raw technology (that we know little about)

    Votes: 18 19.1%
  • Ergonomic / button changes

    Votes: 1 1.1%
  • Red Servo AF points (presumed, but it's a certainty, right?)

    Votes: 2 2.1%
  • The SD card slot survived!

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • New sensor = new hopes of magical DR / noise / high ISO performance

    Votes: 31 33.0%
  • All the recent SLR good stuff now in a 5D model: DPAF, anti-flicker, F/8 AF points, etc.

    Votes: 22 23.4%

What's got you fired up in a good way?

COMPANION POLL -- what did you hate about the leaked specs?

  • Poll Poll
What are you the most *upset* about with the newly leaked 5D4 specs?

The leak has happened! Though more details will arise, if the specs are true, what are you the most

  • Resolution is too low

    Votes: 3 2.3%
  • FPS is too low

    Votes: 29 22.0%
  • No tilty-flippy screen

    Votes: 26 19.7%
  • It was lacking a video option I really wanted

    Votes: 12 9.1%
  • The 'never done before in an SLR' feature (dual pixel raw) turned out to be something I wasn't that

    Votes: 8 6.1%
  • No CFast

    Votes: 9 6.8%
  • AF doesn't cover more of the viewfinder than the 1DX2 (presumed)

    Votes: 5 3.8%
  • No IBIS

    Votes: 6 4.5%
  • It still has a mirror. Stupid Canon. (Only AvTvM may select this one.)

    Votes: 9 6.8%
  • New grip, new batteries, etc.

    Votes: 7 5.3%
  • Resolution is too *high* -- I wanted best possible IQ instead of resolution

    Votes: 18 13.6%

I may update the list, but let's see where everyone's head is on this. What's the big miss, bad call or feature omission that has you wound up with this leak?

- A


COMPANION POLL -- what did you like?

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