Here are the full Canon EOS R specifications

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Effective fps with AF is an example. It's 3fps in focus priority mode, 5 fps in release priority mode. The 6DII's AF can theoretically perform both modes at 6.5fps, provided the conditions are right (luminosity, the lens' AF speed, etc.).
But these are just spec numbers anyway. We'll see exactly how it turns out in real life. Just don't expect miracles in continuous drive / AF (for example I doubt that we'll get a liveview feed in continuous drive mode, and that is going to be a lot more problematic than 1fps more or less here and there).

I just go with my experience that Canon marketing specs are overstated by about the same margin for different cameras. So unless proven otherwise, I take the difference between "theoretical" 6.5 fps on 6D II vs. "theoretical" 5 fps on EOS R to match the performance difference in real life.

 

[1Zach1]

Depending on the price this seems like a great camera for me. Looking forward to seeing it in person.

 

[bergstrom]

If canon pulled a canon and left out some features that a lot of people wanted as a lot of people have listed in previous pages, why don't we do what we're capable of doing, consumers pull a consumer, just tell them, thansk,but no thanks and move on to he next store. At some point, canon HAVE to say, Guys, we need to listen to consumers.

 

[jd7]

you may want to read the small print on that "-6 EV" [only available with f/1.2 lens]. Otherwise it is -3 EV.

The spec sheet seems to say the -6 EV was measured under certain conditions which included the use of an f/1.2 lens, but where are you getting the part about having to use an f/1.2 lens to get -6 EV? I haven't read all the info about the EOS R in detail so you may be right, but it's not how I read the spec sheet.

 

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And how would you chose all those Af points with a joystick? I never used the joystick on 5d either because selection with the wheels is so much faster for me. Have you ever used touch and drag AF? For me this is the best method for quickly choosing an AF point. The extra touch strip for this is just brilliant in my opinion.

We'll see how useful the strip doodad is in real life. On macbook it is useless cr*p. ;-)
But, I am not against a better user interface.
personally I'd love to see an up-to-date "Eye Control AF" - i look thru viewfinder at scene and whatever I double-blink at, that's where AF will focus. "No hands needed, Ma."

 

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If canon pulled a canon and left out some features that a lot of people wanted as a lot of people have listed in previous pages, why don't we do what we're capable of doing, consumers pull a consumer, just tell them, thansk,but no thanks and move on to he next store. At some point, canon HAVE to say, Guys, we need to listen to consumers.

It is exactly what i will do. Here is hoping for a flop at launch and subsequent firesale, as with underspecced EOS M. I will then pick one up at firesale price of 999

 

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The spec sheet seems to say the -6 EV was measured under certain conditions which included the use of an f/1.2 lens, but where are you getting the part about having to use an f/1.2 lens to get -6 EV?? I haven't read all the info about the EOS R in detail so you may be right, but it's not how I read the spec sheet.

it is clearly stated in spec sheet, just look at the pdf. f/1.2 is a requirement for -6EV in conjunction with One-Shot AF and certain room temperatures.
In practice it may in addition also be contingent on user's shoe size and blood-pressure.

 

[jd7]

No af-linked spot meterin? .. typical canon

Ever used it?
I have. Completely overrated and unnecessary - just another example of a pointless gimmick that serves no actual useful purpose.

I have too. It was on my first digital camera, a Power Shot S45. AF-linked spot metering sounded great so I used that as my default for a while ... until I eventually worked out it was the reason so many of my photos which used auto-exposure were underexposed or overexposed! AF-linked spot metering has its uses of course, but I have wondered if Canon generally omits it because they think too many people will use it thinking it's a good idea without really appreciating how it works. I can't say I miss having it these days.

 

[Quackator]

No word on flash sync speed. Hope it is not too bad a surprise.

With the information so far I would guesstimate an initial
retail price of 2200 € including "free" control ring adapter.
Delivery starts first or second week of October.
In December they take out the adapter and "drop" the
price to 2050 or 2100 €. Next year it will be available
for 1999€, body only.

 

[jd7]

it is clearly stated in spec sheet, just look at the pdf. f/1.2 is a requirement for -6EV in conjunction with One-Shot AF and certain room temperatures.
In practice it may in addition also be contingent on user's shoe size and blood-pressure.

That is not how I read the PDF of the spec sheet. Yes it's saying that Canon measured -6EV under certain conditions which included the use of an f/1.2 lens, certain temperature, so they are implying you might not get -6 EV under all conditions. However, I don't think that is the same as saying you could never get -6 EV with a lens which isn't f/1.2. I certainly don't think it is the same as saying the best you can get with a lens which isn't f/1.2 is -3 EV (which is the other thing I believe you were saying).

 

[bgoyette]

I’m going to say it again. Dedicated video start button. And now 480mb/s internal codec. (Has to be 10bit 4:2:2.. to an sd card, no less). This camera is going to be a huge hit on the video sites. As much aimed at Panasonic as it is at the Sony/Nikon crowd.

 

[padam]

I think this is also the camera that was rumored to be the interchangeable lens version of the XC10 earlier. It is capable of doing 4k with C-Log, probably in the S35mm crop mode and it can also come with ND filters essentially built-in for EF mount. The codec is probably the same as the C200's MP4 output, which is actually still pretty decent-looking despite being 4:2:0 8-bit with manageable file sizes. But the 10-bit external output is there for those who demand it. I just hope the rolling shutter has been reduced compared to the 5D IV.

So there are two sides to it, it is a new mirrorless mount with some nice new lens options, or a more 'video-advanced' EF-mount camera. But at the same time not stepping on the Cinema line as well with long recording times (to two cards) a much more video-centric sensor and different ergonomics.

That's also why I think it will cost more than people expect it to.
If it was 2000$ it would be tailored more towards stills shooters, like a smaller, more up-to-date 6D Mark II. This trimmed down model is coming later on with a similar body but cheaper screen and EVF.

We'll see it soon anyway.

 

[djack41]

No IS, No Dual Slots, No Eye AF.
On the positive side, specs indicate <2k price.

The 1.6 is interesting. Does it imply EF-M support or is it just for EF-S lenses which would be implied anyway since they are DSLR lenses and not difficult to implement. EF-M would require some engineering for the 2MM flange gap difference.

Three huge omissions!!!!!!

 

[Quarkcharmed]

It's definitely NOT Rebel-like. That was probably a joke.

R is targeting the same users as 6D2 but technically it's clearly more advanced. It's a leap actually. And if we compare it to Z6, Z6 is far from being a clear winner.

I hope Canon have another pro-level camera in their magic hat, as a continuation of the 5D line.

However if I'm wrong and Canon treats R as a 5D4 mirrorless replacement, I'm really disappointed.

 

[LesC]

Wouldn't tempt me from my 6D MKII. Not THAT much smaller, no *** and other benefits for me at least.

 

[markhbfindlay]

Personally I can't wait for this camera if it's affordable and would like it with the 24-105. Currently I lug around a 5DSR with 16-35mm and an 80d with 24-105, or just leave the 5DSR behind and use the 80d with an EF-S 15-85, depending on what I'm doing (I don't drive at the moment so rather severely weight limited!). The 5DSR is just too wonderful to go away, but replacing the 80d with this, for landscape photography (I don't care about burst rates, multiple card slots etc). It would have been nice to get IBIS but no go.

The 80d still has the crop advantage for bird photography, the moon and some other things, so I may hang on to it - it also has the cheap and light 10-18 wide-angle and 55-250, which makes a very nice kit for light weight walking trips. When/if a R 16-35mm lens shows up, I could have a nice lightweight two-camera setup for intermediate hiking/biking.

It would have been nice to have an EF mount, but clearly the full advantage of this beast comes with a cost in terms of the laws of physics. Lenses such as the 28-70 F2 only become feasible with the new R mount. It will be interesting to see what this new lens ring brings to the equation, and

I can't believe that this thing is lighter than an 80d and has the same resolution as a 5DIV. The 24-105 is heavier than the 15-85, but you can't argue with the laws of physics.

Everything comes down to the price. I'm retired and my pension isn't massive!

 

[-pekr-]

Fixed ISO 400 in bulb mode? what does that mean? that kills the camera for long exposure/landscape photography. Very strange limitation. Absolutely a no-go for me.

it is the friggin' NERFED Canon "Auto-ISO" implementation, that has been the plague in Rebel and xxD class mirrorslappers for decades. I would not have thought they'd dare to implement this sh*t little piece of FIRMWARE code in an FF camera in late 2018.

Well, sometimes I wonder, how Canon can artifically hardwire some stuff into their cameras. Canon Flash system is not easiest to understand in itself. Apart from the camera setting ISO to 400 when flash is attached (which might make sense) or 1600 when you swivel the flash head, in Av mode, it messes your settings completly. I have set 5DIV to use the shutter time protection in Av mode, plus Auto ISO to compensate. It works, until you add a flash to the equation - then it hardwires ISO 400 there and ignores the shutter speed protection at all. So, once again, M mode to the rescue. Someone also suggested me to look into ISO safety shift, will have to do, but man, why are things so complicated?

 

[blackcoffee17]

The burst speed of 5/3fps is a very disappointing, especially after the initial rumor of 10. Even 8 would have been great with full AF/AE.

 

[BillB]

Ever used it?

I have. Completely overrated and unnecessary - just another example of a pointless gimmick that serves no actual useful purpose.

But it sounds so cool!

 

[BillB]

It is exactly what i will do. Here is hoping for a flop at launch and subsequent firesale, as with underspecced EOS M. I will then pick one up at firesale price of 999

What a surprise!