Two new EOS R bodies coming in the first half of 2020 [CR3]

[DarkPhalanx]

Not necessarily. Depends on what the mirrorless 1-series is designed for.

If they are going for high fps + smaller form factor (like an A9), I think that might be more for news reportage/journos than it would be for sports/wildlifers. In that case, you might be talking about the 1DX3 and 1 series mirrorless going to different users.

But if it's a dead knockoff of a 1DX3 without a mirror (spec and form factor wise), I think it would aimed at / priced at the exact same photographers as 1DX3. Sideline sports and wildlife folks would use either body in their high fps pursuits.

Unless you think a 1-series mirrorless means high res. I don't think anyone is expecting that. Canon firmly chucked the high-res specialist camera into the 5-series price point 5 years ago (presumably to sell more of them at a lower price point).

- A

First off, they've never stated they were releasing a mirrorless version of a 1D this year, so Joules was incorrect right out of the gates.....lol. We're talking about the EOS R ii, which is nowhere close to the specs of the 1DX mark iii.

The mirrorless "high end" Canon has been said to be roughly 2 years away from being announced.

And as I truly believe, these are 2 totally different targeted user groups.

 

[Go Wild]

Yes!!! Bring them on Canon!!! I cant wait!!! I am sure that the new R bodies will be Top gems so i am really excited about it. Also I was waiting this since i bought the a7r3 back in 2017 so a biigg expectation is on!

As far as we can expect it will be the High res camera. We know Canon will want to send to the market something similar or better than the A7r4, yet I would be extremely happy with 40mp. If it comes with more...well, let it come!

If we can also expect another camera, then we have 3 chances:

- Like rumoured, an EOS R II with improved specs placing between entry level and High res body.
- A 1dxmkIII similar camera for sports with less mp (20mp) and less video specs (no raw and maybe crop 4k). Yes i know it doesn´t make too much sense because Canon just launched the 1dx mkIII, buuuut Canon DID announce that they will not make more EF lenses. So...it also doesn´t make too much sense, does it?
- A video related mirrorless like Sony A7S line. Why not??

We´ll see soon i believe! I cant wait to have again all line up Canon equipment! I do enjoy Sony and I do like the image quality...But...I love Canon for a lot of reasons. It seems like using Sony is like to be cheating wife with the lover.... But wife give´s you so much more things than the lover.....

Go Canon, GOOO!!!!

 

[Nelu]

Yes!!! Bring them on Canon!!! I cant wait!!! I am sure that the new R bodies will be Top gems so i am really excited about it. Also I was waiting this since i bought the a7r3 back in 2017 so a biigg expectation is on!

As far as we can expect it will be the High res camera. We know Canon will want to send to the market something similar or better than the A7r4, yet I would be extremely happy with 40mp. If it comes with more...well, let it come!

If we can also expect another camera, then we have 3 chances:

- Like rumoured, an EOS R II with improved specs placing between entry level and High res body.
- A 1dxmkIII similar camera for sports with less mp (20mp) and less video specs (no raw and maybe crop 4k). Yes i know it doesn´t make too much sense because Canon just launched the 1dx mkIII, buuuut Canon DID announce that they will not make more EF lenses. So...it also doesn´t make too much sense, does it?
- A video related mirrorless like Sony A7S line. Why not??

We´ll see soon i believe! I cant wait to have again all line up Canon equipment! I do enjoy Sony and I do like the image quality...But...I love Canon for a lot of reasons. It seems like using Sony is like to be cheating wife with the lover.... But wife give´s you so much more things than the lover.....

Go Canon, GOOO!!!!

So what are you telling us? The Canon "wife" has a larger body but no stabilization and the Sony "lover" is lighter but harder to handle?

 

[jeliel]

Perhaps something looking like the Canon beginning in ML : a RP MKII and a R MKII ... ?

 

[mclaren777]

If these mirrorless cameras come out early in the year, that should free up the fall/winter for an announcement of the 5D5.

It usually comes out pretty close to the release of the new 1DX, so I would we aren't waiting more than 12 months.

 

[ahsanford]

The Sony rumor page reports that Sony will very likely announce the Sony A7 Mark IV in the first half of 2020. Whether or not people here like the Sony A7 Mark III everybody has to admit that this camera was a huge financial success for Sony.

I would contend it was the first time someone really landed a glove on Canon strictly from the strength of a spec list.

Sony always had these Ferrari like specs, but the various A7/A9 cameras were easy to dismiss:

• Few lenses
• AF was a mess
• Build quality issues, poor sealing
• Limited third party ecosystem of stuff you could bolt on / interface with
• Ergonomics as war crimes
• Specs bristling with asterisks of nasty fine print, especially on compression of RAW files and true working fps

But they systematically attacked each limitation and worked it down to a point where the A7 III -- a comically loaded spec per dollar offering -- was worth trying. There was a mechanical shutter and uncompressed RAW at top fps. The lens portfolio is stronger now. The AF does not suck like it used to. (The grip is still a war crime, but maybe that's just me.)

So the question is, does Canon 'stoop to their level' and get into a spec-per-dollar war, or do they continue to lean on brand, argue 'a better-thought-through less is more' sales pitch, and innovate in the more nuanced (and potentially useful) areas that don't pop on a spec sheet: BR optics, adaptors as rear filtering opportunties, motorized auto positioning speedlite head, clever ergonomic integration of using all those DPAF points, etc.

I'm guessing it will be a bit of both.

- A

 

[Optics Patent]

Some slick jump from peaking to 10x without having to pull my eye from the VF would be great for large aperture primes.
If EOS R already has this, forgive me. I didn't dig too deeply there with my CPS loaner last year.

The RP cycles peaking/5x/10x with the info button when lens is in MF and focus is not eye/face.

 

[reef58]

First off, they've never stated they were releasing a mirrorless version of a 1D this year, so Joules was incorrect right out of the gates.....lol. We're talking about the EOS R ii, which is nowhere close to the specs of the 1DX mark iii.

The mirrorless "high end" Canon has been said to be roughly 2 years away from being announced.

And as I truly believe, these are 2 totally different targeted user groups.

So now we are relying on rumors about rumors from a thirdhand source to fill in our timeline.

 

[Joules]

First off, they've never stated they were releasing a mirrorless version of a 1D this year, so Joules was incorrect right out of the gates.....lol. We're talking about the EOS R ii, which is nowhere close to the specs of the 1DX mark iii.
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And as I truly believe, these are 2 totally different targeted user groups.

I'm not sure what your issue was with my initial statement. I got the impression from this rumor that we are getting a third R camera, on top of the high resolution one expected to be announced next month and the R successor. And I can't see that being a 1D X series equivalent mirrorless, because they just hyped up the 1DX III and got people to make plans and preorders for that body.

 

[gregster]

I can't see there being any chance of a 1DX level R this year. Their goals will be to sell/promote the 1Dx3, and only launch a 1DR once those sales slow and they have the tech ready. The smart business decision is to space out releases, allowing them to sell high end bodies twice to pros.

Releasing both too close to each other would also erode confidence and likely cause confusion in the marketplace around Canon's direction. For the time being they still need people to have confidence in EF.

 

[Optics Patent]

But if it's a dead knockoff of a 1DX3 without a mirror (spec and form factor wise), I think it would aimed at / priced at the exact same photographers as 1DX3. Sideline sports and wildlife folks would use either body in their high fps pursuits.

Sideline pros need a good reason to make a change. I'm a mirrorless enthusiast, but they can't afford to take a risk unless there is some compelling benefit (like better glass, which there isn't yet for the sidelines). "Why change?" is easy for me to answer but harder for them.

 

[Jasonmc89]

You mean, without the viewfinder at all?

With an EVF of course!

 

[ahsanford]

First off, they've never stated they were releasing a mirrorless version of a 1D this year, so Joules was incorrect right out of the gates.....lol. We're talking about the EOS R ii, which is nowhere close to the specs of the 1DX mark iii.

The mirrorless "high end" Canon has been said to be roughly 2 years away from being announced.

And as I truly believe, these are 2 totally different targeted user groups.

You didn't connect those dots for me the first time, sorry. I agree: EOS R2 will not be aimed at 1-series users.

But the thread is about *2* new EOS R bodies of an (as of this time) unknown market segment, so anything's possible. The prior poster indeed appeared to be speculating about 1-series mirrorless.

So I ask everyone (yourself included DP): if and when a 1-series mirrorless does arrive, will it be aimed at the 1DX-level camp or will it... be something else?

- A

 

[6degrees]

Make it Sony a7riv equivalent. Otherwise still behind.

 

[DarkPhalanx]

So now we are relying on rumors about rumors from a thirdhand source to fill in our timeline.

It may be tough to face, but these are all rumors, correct? Can you state, factually, that Canon said they were releasing a mirrorless 1DX variant this year?

 

[ahsanford]

Releasing both too close to each other would also erode confidence and likely cause confusion in the marketplace around Canon's direction. For the time being they still need people to have confidence in EF.

Sure, but confidence in EF is first and foremost maintained with new EF glass. And:

Canon Done Making EF Lenses Unless Photographers Demand More

Canon is going all-in on mirrorless. The company has revealed that it has no plans to create any new EF lenses for DSLRs... unless photographers demand

petapixel.com

I realize that Canon and EF is not remotely where Sony was with A mount when the A7 took off. But slowly, folks will migrate to RF to get access to the latest lenses even if all the non-EVF sweet mirrorless tech is cooked into LiveView on shiny new EF SLRs.

Here, I admit the 1-series is in a bit of a different stratosphere in that RF needs native superwhites to have that pull for the sports/wildlife guys. That camp will migrate to RF the slowest for that reason, one would think -- if your primary daily driver glass is EF and you have all the latest mirrorless features in liveview, you are less inclined to get an RF body.

- A

 

[drob]

Every fast prime except the 85mm f1.4 IS doesn't have IS, and tripods are not practical for a lot of situations. Stop with this nonsense that IBS is unnecessary. Every feature that can help with taking better photos is helpful.

IBIS is great but not necessary. We’ve been shooting without it for years with DSLR. Stop being lazy and use proper technique. But being 2020 it’s pretty much standard in every other brand and is a reason for Canon shooters to complain and switch to other systems...Canon needs to step up and bring this feature to market.

 

[DarkPhalanx]

You didn't connect those dots for me the first time, sorry. I agree: EOS R2 will not be aimed at 1-series users.

But the thread is about *2* new EOS R bodies of an (as of this time) unknown market segment, so anything's possible. The prior poster indeed appeared to be speculating about 1-series mirrorless.

So I ask everyone (yourself included DP): if and when a 1-series mirrorless does arrive, will it be aimed at the 1DX-level camp or will it... be something else?

- A

My take on this, yes....when the 1 series mirrorless version does get announced, it will most definitely be aimed at the sports/wildlife group that is currently purchasing the 1DX line of cameras.

 

[drob]

Canon needs to bring some F1.8 primes and The f4 trinity so folks can actually afford to purchase lenses.

 

[Joules]

So I ask everyone (yourself included DP): if and when a 1-series mirrorless does arrive, will it be aimed at the 1DX-level camp or will it... be something else?

- A

On paper at least it already looks like it is the mirror that is holding the camera back. I've read a few times that people don't feel like going from 14 to 16 FPS is a worthy upgrade considering the cost of the camera. But it actually does 20 FPS with full AF, an AF that covers basically the entire frame and can lock on to eyes as well as faces and heads... This AF is just not accessible through the OVF.

How well this works out in practice is a different matter of course, but reading the white papaper I felt like Canon wanted to stress that LiveView is an option worth checking out on the 1DX III.

For 1D X series users that are willing to compromise on battery life and maybe some eye fatigue when using the EVF for longer periods, I think Canon could very much make a product for them. It would be weird to me if they keep their flagship tech exclusively on the EF mount for ever. There should be some good improvements for the current 1DX target group when the viewfinder tech gets good enough for Canon to eventually release a mirrorless equivalent.