What’s next for the Canon EOS R5 and Canon EOS R6?
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Check out the Z's. They advertise, *Park and Lock* my friend assures me they do, but I've yet to shake one in anger.
The Canon IBIS looks superb in action though, very smooth when walking/moving with the camera, those stabilized zooms look just the ticket. I wonder if they combined with IBIS = 8.5 stops, or if JUST the IBIS is 8.5 stops? Either way, brilliant looking results.
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those of you getting your R5s (congrats, envious)... was just watching Northup's comparison of image quality vs A7R 4 and 5D Mk4.. seems quite good on image quality and he went on about the differences between electronic vs mechanical and the banding involved.. I believe I read that there are at least 2 modes for electronic.. he seemed focused on the 20 fps.. anyone know if the 12 fps essentially reduces the banding like the mechanical shutter? the silent option even at a lower fps would be useful at times.
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thank you. excellent, and thought I'd read that before.. question I have is.. does it help with the banding issue under artificial lights... I think the electronic shutter had a few options.
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I am new to RF so I need to get a EF:RF adaptor... is there any point/usage for the control ring adapter with EF lenses with the R5 as it already has 3 wheels on it?
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Depends if you want to control something else. I'm not gonna touch the exposure compensation debate, but I did try switching AF modes and tuning white balance with the touch bar on the EOS R. It was nice, but I didn't like how unpredictable it behaved. I would definitely assign these to a dial or control ring... might feel more natural than the touchbar.
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You can program to control anything like shutter speed, white balance, exposure comp, aperture, etc. It's just nice to have. I have to set to aperture. The RF lenses have em built in, so you could get it to get used to it if you're gonna get those lenses so you know what you're gonna have and how to customize it for your needs.
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Don't know if this was posted anywhere, but it looks like Canon Australia shot down the recall rumors:
www.newsshooter.com
Which is what I expected. I have no doubt Canon did their due diligence in trying to make this the best photo-first camera they could (excellent weather-sealing, high MP, etc.), then made the video as functional as possible.
Canon EOS R5 & R6 Recall Rumors are not true - Newsshooter
You may have read rumors and reports of a possible product recall happening for the Canon EOS R5 and R6. The only way to find out if there is any truth
www.newsshooter.com
Which is what I expected. I have no doubt Canon did their due diligence in trying to make this the best photo-first camera they could (excellent weather-sealing, high MP, etc.), then made the video as functional as possible.
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That hasn't been posted, though people are speculating on a recall and what that might mean.Don't know if this was posted anywhere, but it looks like Canon Australia shot down the recall rumors:
Canon EOS R5 & R6 Recall Rumors are not true - Newsshooter
You may have read rumors and reports of a possible product recall happening for the Canon EOS R5 and R6. The only way to find out if there is any truth
Which is what I expected. I have no doubt Canon did their due diligence in trying to make this the best photo-first camera they could (excellent weather-sealing, high MP, etc.), then make the video as functional as possible.
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excellent photo, could you comment on what lens you used on this one? and for that sake, any kind of problem like decentering occurrs?Ran outside and got what I could from my hellspawn before light was out and he ran.
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I just used a 24-70 2.8 L II with a canon control ring adapter for the RF mount and I haven't noticed any problem at the time. I could only shoot a small burst of photos since the sun was setting quick and I was losing light.
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There is a chart in the R5 manual for what you can set each dial to. Page 824.
I don't have a body yet. But from looking at the list, I guess I would probably play around with selecting AF method, changing flash exposure compensation, or changing picture style just to switch to black and white.
It'll also probably depend on the button customization I do, but that'll take more time to sort through. That chart starts on page 816.
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I don’t think burst rate will have much to do with that type of banding. From what another forum member has said (Check the new threads for first impressions) the R5 is much better than the R in this area. Try changing shutter speed also if you are getting banding under certain lights with electronic shutter
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Tony hit all the points, great analysis. Managing Electronic shutter, and Electronic first Curtain (EFCS) are a pain on the Sony's too. There's no way to manage them properly, unless you're constantly menu diving. FUJI have a very elegant way to manage the shutter, I wish the others would copy it.
The FUJI camera (will, if selected) choose the shutter type according to shooting conditions, in other words it turns off ALL electronic shutter aids, like EFCS when shutter speed is between 1/1000th and 1/8000th. As you know, shooting north of 1/1000th with EFCS ON can ruin BOKEH with a lens wider (faster) than f/1.8.
On the FUJI, if you're shooting a fast f/1.2 prime (say an 85 wide open girl on the beach in Bali) it will automatically go up from 1/8000th into the two higher Electronic shutter values (1/16,000 & 1/32,000th). That is VERY cool. Only one Sony Alpha camera will go beyond 1/8000th, and that's the A9, not sure about the A7Slll yet though.
So for me, there is no ideal choice yet, FUJI come the closest in firmware implementation, but their steampunk 80's design, with all those dials, and half frame sensor isn't doing it.
I'm loving the RF glass, best on the market, the pint size 70-200/2.8 is fantastic, the stabilized 15-35/2.8 looks killer for video, and the 50/1.2 would be my go-to stills portrait lens, period.
Sony loaned me the A7RlV and 135/1.8 GM and I wanted to shoot it wide-open to get a feel for it. I had no idea, until hitting the 1/8000th Mechanical shutter ceiling that its Electronic shutter stopped there too. So, in effect the camera was constantly over-exposing at base ISO. Again, that's a win for FUJI's electronic shutter.
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Burst rate on the SONY's plays a roll in the banding and shadow recovery, its a nightmare to remember *what and where.* Basically, electronic shutter drops to 12bit, if you shoot above X frames per second, it's different on every body. Dive into the R5's manual, see if they mention it.
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I've had a couple hours to test the R5, and Wahhhhhhh overheating, it is garbage and I'm so mad that Canon personally cheated me! I was going to shoot cat videos and weddings in 8K for 6 hours every day but this thing is stupid and an obvious failure. It should only cost 50 dollars. Canon is doomed and crippled us again. I just threw it off my balcony. Just kidding 
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The real scoop: So far it is great and I am not encountering anything but being mostly impressed. Adjusting to the form factor of a smaller body and the new controls, etc. but so far so good. Some notes from my first play time:
This is going to make shooting very pleasant and more convenient, and be a robust stills camera in all light and weather, and competent video camera for light and mid duty jobs in moderate to good light. The build feels very solid and elegant and the body is clearly well thought out for the most part. The only thing I have found that is a real negative, is the grip is more squared and smaller than most FF DSLRs and is not nearly as comfortable, and the controls feel a bit close together which is an advantage for reaching some and disadvantage for others.
Ergonomics:
Performance so far:
.The real scoop: So far it is great and I am not encountering anything but being mostly impressed. Adjusting to the form factor of a smaller body and the new controls, etc. but so far so good. Some notes from my first play time:
This is going to make shooting very pleasant and more convenient, and be a robust stills camera in all light and weather, and competent video camera for light and mid duty jobs in moderate to good light. The build feels very solid and elegant and the body is clearly well thought out for the most part. The only thing I have found that is a real negative, is the grip is more squared and smaller than most FF DSLRs and is not nearly as comfortable, and the controls feel a bit close together which is an advantage for reaching some and disadvantage for others.
Ergonomics:
- The thing is silent in electronics shutter and pretty darn quiet mechanical.
- Not a fan of the smaller size and less rounded grip compared to a DSLR. Space and comfort are slightly reduced and controls are not as perfectly placed. It isn't awful, but is the thing I like least so far. I will be buying an L bracket to hopefully make it larger and better balanced. Canon and industry should calm down with the one camera for all purposes and leave pro gear pro- and large for comfort. Also would be easier to pack in features and cool probably.
- The screen is very high quality and great touch response. Articulation feels solid, like it will not be fragile unless you really screw up and ram it into something. Visually, it is on par with a good phone screen, just smaller.
- I still love an optical viewfinder and how much more natural that feels, but there are many advantages to EVF and with this one, it is not awful to look through. You can shoot, operate the menus, and review all in the viewfinder. I particularly like how much larger images look reviewing in the viewfinder.
- Screen and VF brightness lowered from default by one tick look best to me indoors and should save power unless I need the brightness.
- The timeout on the screen and VF can be lowered, but not as far as I think it should be. I want max power savings. The 5D4 had a 2 second timeout on review of images and I think this screen and VF should have that low of an option too. The lowest is 15 seconds currently. You can turn off either VF or screen in menus but would prefer short auto off time options .
- The menu system and display options on screen and in viewfinder will suit anyone, they have done a really great job offering many options for info display and control setup. So many ways to customize to a simple workflow for most tasks. Still miss quick control custom layouts though.
- Batteries fully interchangeable with previous ones, even off brand.
- The magnesium alloy seems different composition, maybe to enhance thermal conductivity closer to copper since the body is the heat sink surface? I can feel the body take heat form my hands very slightly, and that should help dissipate heat from inside. After a long session of constantly playing with everything the body felt barely warm at 78-80 degrees ambient.
- There is a very subtle quiet clunk if you move the un-powered body in a direction with hard enough motion (takes a good shake). This is the IBIS mechanism, which when un-powered, allows the sensor to float on the IBIS suspension. I don't think this rattles at all as some have said. It feels solid still and to me the sound is no bother. When powered, does not happen.
- All buttons seem well placed. The dials are decently placed but a bit close on the top for my large hands. The joystick is up too high but not awfully so. Not nearly so cramped as many mirrorless bricks, but I still wish this smaller-is-better mentality, when we are talking about pro equipment, would stop. Portable stuff should be a niche market. By comparison, the 5D4 feels luxuriant and more natural in the hand. Large lenses also look dumb on a mirrorless but whatever.
- I love the top screen, which I think is e-ink like any kindle and displays the mode even when off .
- You can operate the mode dial like the old one without looking down. Better, you can remove modes you will not use from that rotation order. It could be just a few modes if you want, like Av, M, B, C1, or any other list you desire.
- Everything feels intuitive for the most part. Video configuration and shooting is just easy, and you get good info as you select options about shooting times, etc. Stills basic settings are accessible in several screens and via the dials of course. Getting to deep settings is never more than a couple buttons or touches and much can be customized. Very easy to use overall for any shooter, particularly Canon shooters, and hoping I will get as comfortable with it, or more, as the 5D4 over time.
Performance so far:
- The focus system is amazing. So fast compared to 5D4 even in low light. So many options for different scenarios. Tracking on objects works well but I have not tried face or animal modes yet, but I can tell there is a lot of ability here. Machine learning and later firmware may make this even better still. It is already class leading and 100% coverage focus points is great. Video focus seems reliable, effortless and easy. For stills, I cannot figure out how to get the focus point to move when I move the joystick without first pressing the focus spot button. Time to read the manual.
- I got something near but slightly below the 20FPS with an old 24-105 EF mk1 and off brand battery in a quick unscientific burst test of about 50 images. In electronic shutter only, this thing flies. It did take a while to write the buffer out to my midgrade SD card but I had plenty more buffer to go if I had wanted it.
- IBIS is great. I handheld a 1/6 second on my old 3 stop 24-105 and it was almost as sharp as a 1/100 so I am getting at least 4-5 stops on an old EF lens and could never have hand held that before.
- Image quality looks like a good step up form the 5D4 in clarity, noise, high ISO, and color (slightly). I have only done some quick tests so this is just first impressions. Some reviewers are saying the Canon sensor stills quality is out there with the best of them now, and while the base DR is not the absolute top of the pack, it is not far behind, very good and improved. At high ISO, DR is equal or better than most competitors as it has been since the 5D4 came out with Canon sensors.
- High ISO is looking more usable than the 5D4. Will need to take more subjects to get a better feel. An astrophotography landscape trip ought to put it through the ringer, hopefully I will do that soon.
- Tried some 4K30 and 4K60 low bitrate (haven't bought cards to try higher res or bit rates yet). To me it looks really good compared against my Sony NXCAM HXR-NX80 4K. Of course uncropped full frame, I can get much wider, still clear and sharp with great Canon color, and a way better stabilizer. Haven't done a pixel peeping 4K comparison, but the 5D4 held its own against most 4K options and this should be even better. Won't even get into the nonsense about HQ modes and limits, I did not buy this as a dedicated video camera and don't even have the memory cards for those modes yet. I will still retain dedicated video tools because I don't have this belief any hybrid can do it all yet, and probably not for years to come.
- Shot for only a few minutes of video at a time so far so no comment on heat issues but I doubt for my normal uses I will encounter them. If I need long form video for interviews or documentary (which I only very rarely do) I have a dedicated pro Sony NXCAM camcorder for 1080P (still very appropriate for most jobs) and 4K, and off camera sound capture. That is the most realistic kind of camera for event and documentary work in my opinion. If I was doing full frame video production I would look at the newest Sony, or more likely the SH1, or if I could afford it, a used or new Cinema camera. Hybrids may never do it all just based on engineering trades and physics, despite what all the entitled people think and poor marketing suggestions.
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I wish some if the settings could be accessed through the display and not having to dig through the menu like switching from animal to person eye tracking, canon log/raw, and slow mo 120. Other than that, I also need to play around with it and find the quirks and stress test the batteries, memory, heating, etc.I've had a couple hours to test the R5, and Wahhhhhhh overheating, it is garbage and I'm so mad that Canon personally cheated me! I was going to shoot cat videos and weddings in 8K for 6 hours every day but this thing is stupid and an obvious failure. It should only cost 50 dollars. Canon is doomed and crippled us again. I just threw it off my balcony. Just kidding
The real scoop: So far it is great and I am not encountering anything but being mostly impressed. Adjusting to the form factor of a smaller body and the new controls, etc. but so far so good. Some notes from my first play time:
This is going to make shooting very pleasant and more convenient, and be a robust stills camera in all light and weather, and competent video camera for light and mid duty jobs in moderate to good light. The build feels very solid and elegant and the body is clearly well thought out for the most part. The only thing I have found that is a real negative, is the grip is more squared and smaller than most FF DSLRs and is not nearly as comfortable, and the controls feel a bit close together which is an advantage for reaching some and disadvantage for others.
Ergonomics:
- The thing is silent in electronics shutter and pretty darn quiet mechanical.
- Not a fan of the smaller size and less rounded grip compared to a DSLR. Space and comfort are slightly reduced and controls are not as perfectly placed. It isn't awful, but is the thing I like least so far. I will be buying an L bracket to hopefully make it larger and better balanced. Canon and industry should calm down with the one camera for all purposes and leave pro gear pro- and large for comfort. Also would be easier to pack in features and cool probably.
- The screen is very high quality and great touch response. Articulation feels solid, like it will not be fragile unless you really screw up and ram it into something. Visually, it is on par with a good phone screen, just smaller.
- I still love an optical viewfinder and how much more natural that feels, but there are many advantages to EVF and with this one, it is not awful to look through. You can shoot, operate the menus, and review all in the viewfinder. I particularly like how much larger images look reviewing in the viewfinder.
- Screen and VF brightness lowered from default by one tick look best to me indoors and should save power unless I need the brightness.
- The timeout on the screen and VF can be lowered, but not as far as I think it should be. I want max power savings. The 5D4 had a 2 second timeout on review of images and I think this screen and VF should have that low of an option too. The lowest is 15 seconds currently. You can turn off either VF or screen in menus but would prefer short auto off time options .
- The menu system and display options on screen and in viewfinder will suit anyone, they have done a really great job offering many options for info display and control setup. So many ways to customize to a simple workflow for most tasks. Still miss quick control custom layouts though.
- Batteries fully interchangeable with previous ones, even off brand.
- The magnesium alloy seems different composition, maybe to enhance thermal conductivity closer to copper since the body is the heat sink surface? I can feel the body take heat form my hands very slightly, and that should help dissipate heat from inside. After a long session of constantly playing with everything the body felt barely warm at 78-80 degrees ambient.
- There is a very subtle quiet clunk if you move the un-powered body in a direction with hard enough motion (takes a good shake). This is the IBIS mechanism, which when un-powered, allows the sensor to float on the IBIS suspension. I don't think this rattles at all as some have said. It feels solid still and to me the sound is no bother. When powered, does not happen.
- All buttons seem well placed. The dials are decently placed but a bit close on the top for my large hands. The joystick is up to high but not awfully so. Not nearly so cramped as many mirrorless, but I still wish this smaller is better when we are talking about pro equipment would stop. Portable stuff should be a niche market. By comparison, the 5D4 feels luxuriant and more natural in the hand.
- I love the top screen, which I think is e-ink like any kindle and displays the mode even when off .
- You can memorize the modes order and not look down and operate the mode dial like the old one. Better, you can remove modes you will not use from that rotation order. It could be just a few modes if you want, like Av, M, B, C1, or any other list you desire.
- Everything feels intuitive for the most part. Video configuration and shooting is just easy, and you get good info as you select options about shooting times, etc. Stills basic settings are accessible in several screens and via the dials of course. Very easy to use and hoping I will get as comfortable with it, or more, as the 5D4 over time.
Performance so far:
Conclusion so far? Going well, no major regrets. Field testing on some tough shoots soon should tell me if I love it, but I already like it. Curious to see how others are getting along with their R5/6 if you were able to get one.
- The focus system is amazing. So fast with the same lenses compared to 5D4 even in low light. So many options for different scenarios. Tracking on objects works well but I have not tried face or animal modes yet, but I can tell there is a lot of power here. Machine learning and later firmware may make this even better still. It is already class leading and 100% coverage focus points is great. Video focus seems reliable, effortless and easy. For stills, I cannot figure out how to get the focus point to move when I move the joystick without first pressing the focus spot button. Time to read the manual.
- I got something near but slightly below the 20FPS with an old 24-105 EF mk1 and off brand battery in a quick unscientific burst test of about 50 images. In electronic shutter only this thing flies. It did take a while to write the buffer out to my midgrade SD card but I had plenty more buffer to go if I had wanted it. As advertised.
- IBIS is great. I handheld a 1/6 second on my old 3 stop 24-105 and it was almost as sharp as a 1/100 so I am getting at least 4-5 stops on an old EF lens and could never have hand held that before.
- Image quality looks like a good step up form the 5D4 in clarity, noise, high ISO, and color (slightly). I have only done some quick tests so this is just first impressions. Some reviewers are saying the Canon sensor stills quality is out there with the best of them now, and while the base DR is not the absolute top of the pack, it is not far behind, very good and improved. At high ISO, DR is equal or better than most competitors as it has been since the 5D4 came out with Canon sensors.
- High ISO is looking more usable than the 5D4. Will need to take more subjects to get a better feel. An astrophotography landscape trip ought to put it through the ringer, hopefully I will do that soon.
- Tried some 4K30 and 4K60 low bitrate (haven't bought cards to try higher res or bit rates yet). To me it looks really good compared against my Sony NXCAM HXR-NX80 4K. Of course uncropped full frame, I can get much wider, still clear and sharp with great Canon color, and a way better stabilizer. Haven't done a pixel peeping 4K comparison, but the 5D4 held its own against most 4K options and this should be even better. Won't even get into the nonsense about HQ modes and limits, I did not buy this as a dedicated video camera and don't even have the memory cards for those modes yet. I will still retain dedicated video tools because I don't have this belief any hybrid can do it all yet, and probably not for years to come.
- Shot for only a few minutes of video at a time so far so no comment on heat issues but I doubt for my normal uses I will encounter them. If I need long form video for interviews or documentary (which I only very rarely do) I have a dedicated pro Sony NXCAM camcorder for 1080P (still very appropriate for most jobs) and 4K, and off camera sound capture. That is the most realistic kind of camera for event and documentary work in my opinion. If I was doing full frame video production I would look at the newest Sony, or more likely the SH1, or if I could afford it, a used or new Cinema camera. Hybrids may never do it all just based on engineering trades and physics, despite what all the entitled people think and poor marketing suggestions.
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