Let’s talk about the Canon EOS R1 development [CR2]

[Darecinema]

Ummmm. Which Canon camera is this: https://www.dji.com/mobile/rs-2?site=brandsite&from=homepage DJI has launched a new RS2 stabilizer and they show multiple Canon cameras being mounted on it but also a hybrid one that kind of looks like the C70 but also maybe the 1dx 3?

 

[Darecinema]

Ummmm. Which Canon camera is this: https://www.dji.com/mobile/rs-2?site=brandsite&from=homepage DJI has launched a new RS2 stabilizer and they show multiple Canon cameras being mounted on it but also a hybrid one that kind of looks like the C70 but also maybe the 1dx 3?

Nmind. Looks like they used R5, 1dxmkiii, c300iii. I thought for a second we may have had a leak on the c50...oh well. Definitely getting that stabilizer though!!!

 

[Aussie shooter]

I am really curious about the 'groundbreaking AF'. Admittedly I have not used the R5 yet but I cant help but wonder how it can be improved upon(from everything I have heard about it).

 

[Danglin52]

After shooting the R5 & R6 in YNP/GNTP for the last 16 days, I want to add a few things to the previous posters list (below)

1. Much better battery life
2. "Always ON" EVF and ready to shoot (I know this contradicts item 1)
3. Faster, smoother, higher resolution EVF for tracking action (should be part of a 1dx comparable MLC)
4. Assignable audio for each frame capture of the electronic shutter vs flashing frame which I find distracting
5. Slightly smear AI for the "groundbreaking AF" and better support for eye tracking with long lenses.
6. AF ability to identify and focus through obstructions on the eye (grease, tree branches, leaves, etc).
7. Better dynamic range and handling of dark areas for high contrast, bright situations.

I will add, I really liked shooting with the R5 and have no regrets selling my 1dx II. I am not quite as happy with the 100-500 when used with at the 1.4x TC. Extending the lens to 300 mm before adding the converter and limited to 420-700mm can be an issue with animals on the move and changing distance. I kept my 100-400 II with the intent to sell after testing the 100-500. I am very happy with the performance of the 100-500, but feel I need a second camera with my 100-400 II when I am using the 100-500 with the 1.4x TC. In my view, the ability to use 500-700 mm on the 100-500 is awesome, but it comes with the price of flexibility on the 100-420mm range when shooting with the 1.4x TC.

"My guess is minimum specs as R5 but in 1D body ( AF-On smart controller buttons, dual CFe slots) with:
- Global shutter (no mechanical shutter). Rolling shutter artifactys significantly better than current electronic shutter
- 45mp sensor with IBIS (IBIS can be turned off)
- 30fps electronic shutter burst with full tracking - perhaps with buffer ie not unlimited
- ~20mp on-the fly over sampled (no lossy compression/S-RAW) at full 30fps unlimited buffer. Best of both worlds.
- Dual Digic X to spread the heat generation and generate less heat per CPU
- Unlimited 8k cinema raw lite internal recording
- 6K/60. 4k/120 unlimited no crop internal recording.
- No line skipping/pixel binning 4k/6k modes
- 29:59 recording limit
- Clog3
- minimum 16fps using anti-flicker depending on frequency of the flicker lighting
- AF in very low light (quad pixel makes sense but would be equivalent to a 180mp sensor!)
- pixel shift high res stills
- 9+ megadot EFV with no blackout and fast refresh rates (at lease 120fps). >0.5" in size
- full sized HDMI 2.1 port (48G) or thunderbolt 3 USB-C or both
- Mini XLR audio option
- Ethernet port
- Flippy screen included. Won't be great for portrait recording but still needed I think. Weather sealing will need to be excellent though"

 

[masterpix]

Well, higher dynamic range than anything seen before, much reduced noise in the higher ISO, 30FPS stills, about 25-30MP sensor, Eye tracking focus chooser. (IS and IBIS are already there) As for video, I am not sure Canon need to spend much over it, these cameras are made for action stills, not video. If you do want video for video, get a professional video camera. And yes.. under 1000$..

 

[GoldWing]

Continue reading...

This could prompt the MKIII / MKII shooters to make the jump if

1. It's at least 45MP's
2. It's at least 12fps RAW
3. Better Sealing
4. If I fill the frame I want distinct hair stands, blackheads, pimples and facial hair vs. wax
5. Better DR
6. Dual Same Media - I could give you 100 reasons - I'd prefer CFExpress
7. Ability to bracket from spot to eval - Sports shooters who shoot outdoors will bow to you
8. Better color, not saying it has to be Fuji 16bit or Hasselblad but it's time to up the game
9. Sports Photogs can't shoot tethered to a PC on the field, shooting over the bow of a boat or squatting next to jump for dirt bikes. I'd love a 2TB - External Drive with a sealed connection
10. Ability to control my Canon flashes and some strobes from my camera with the ability to download the Profoto, Elinchrom or Godox or Broncolor codes
11. As in #6 - Canon Professional Workflow to include camera profile, color check, PC calibration, post production to a printer.
12. Auto MA - If I have to buy a new 2.8 300 & 400 & 70-200 & 24-70 & 85 as least have the body mate with the lens.
13. Since we won't have a mirror box, give CPS Platinum members other incentives as we'll be using the 10 C&C's less frequently
14. Wi-fi connectivity that does not stink. Better and more intuitive user interface
15. Collars for our big whites with enough space and better-designed feet to grip for our big hands. To those of us who shoot hand held with 300's and 400's on the sidelines with no mono or tripod, on the back of a boat, it would be a HUGE help
16. Last but not least, I'm in love with an OVF and shoot in very bright sun in stadiums or America's Cup - If can't follow and see in all conditions as I can with an OVF, all bets are off.

17. Selfish request. We're getting older need a tiny bit more than +3.... I'm just asking.... The eyes are getting weaker but the heart is still strong! Would hate to have to wear glasses to shoot, need that seal of the eye to the cup in the sun and at sunset

18.And please don't cripple the camera for Video - You should sell a kit for those coming over from !D

1. Two Bodies
2. 300mm 400mm 70-200mm 24-70mm 85mm
3. 4 Batteries with extra caps
4. CFReader
5. Chargers

I'll bet if you priced this kit competitively as a clear discount to buying everything separately, a lot of us would buy at least one kit to start.

Best to all....

Of 1 to 19... Wonder if I'll get one of them??????

 

[Del Paso]

So was that a yes about the coffee?

I guess he rather had a huge, an enormous caffe-corretto (with more "corretto" than caffe)

 

[masterpix]

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I am no fire-investigator or police-detective but that is a VERY criminal look on her face...

 

[Bahrd]

After shooting the R5 & R6 in YNP/GNTP for the last 16 days

Yellowstone or Yosemite?

 

[adigoks]

After shooting the R5 & R6 in YNP/GNTP for the last 16 days, I want to add a few things to the previous posters list (below)

1. Much better battery life
2. "Always ON" EVF and ready to shoot (I know this contradicts item 1)
3. Faster, smoother, higher resolution EVF for tracking action (should be part of a 1dx comparable MLC)
4. Assignable audio for each frame capture of the electronic shutter vs flashing frame which I find distracting
5. Slightly smear AI for the "groundbreaking AF" and better support for eye tracking with long lenses.
6. AF ability to identify and focus through obstructions on the eye (grease, tree branches, leaves, etc).
7. Better dynamic range and handling of dark areas for high contrast, bright situations.

I will add, I really liked shooting with the R5 and have no regrets selling my 1dx II. I am not quite as happy with the 100-500 when used with at the 1.4x TC. Extending the lens to 300 mm before adding the converter and limited to 420-700mm can be an issue with animals on the move and changing distance. I kept my 100-400 II with the intent to sell after testing the 100-500. I am very happy with the performance of the 100-500, but feel I need a second camera with my 100-400 II when I am using the 100-500 with the 1.4x TC. In my view, the ability to use 500-700 mm on the 100-500 is awesome, but it comes with the price of flexibility on the 100-420mm range when shooting with the 1.4x TC.

"My guess is minimum specs as R5 but in 1D body ( AF-On smart controller buttons, dual CFe slots) with:
- Global shutter (no mechanical shutter). Rolling shutter artifactys significantly better than current electronic shutter
- 45mp sensor with IBIS (IBIS can be turned off)
- 30fps electronic shutter burst with full tracking - perhaps with buffer ie not unlimited
- ~20mp on-the fly over sampled (no lossy compression/S-RAW) at full 30fps unlimited buffer. Best of both worlds.
- Dual Digic X to spread the heat generation and generate less heat per CPU
- Unlimited 8k cinema raw lite internal recording
- 6K/60. 4k/120 unlimited no crop internal recording.
- No line skipping/pixel binning 4k/6k modes
- 29:59 recording limit
- Clog3
- minimum 16fps using anti-flicker depending on frequency of the flicker lighting
- AF in very low light (quad pixel makes sense but would be equivalent to a 180mp sensor!)
- pixel shift high res stills
- 9+ megadot EFV with no blackout and fast refresh rates (at lease 120fps). >0.5" in size
- full sized HDMI 2.1 port (48G) or thunderbolt 3 USB-C or both
- Mini XLR audio option
- Ethernet port
- Flippy screen included. Won't be great for portrait recording but still needed I think. Weather sealing will need to be excellent though"

very optimistic wishes indeed.
here some of my thought
1. as previous rumors stated "new global shutter FF sensor with 20 MP". it makes 45MP and global shutter wouldn't be put together.
2. anti flicker is no longer needed when using global shutter
3. mini XLR addon would be nice
4. flippy screen in 1D body is kinda weird. but its pretty welcome improvement if they did.

 

[Sharlin]

This could prompt the MKIII / MKII shooters to make the jump if

It's at least 45MP's

Uh, you know Canon asked pros about the resolution and they deemed 20MP is good enough for the 1DX3? I highly doubt many of them suddenly want more than double that. Something like 30MP, sure.

Better Sealing

How much better can you can even get while still having a gaping hole in the camera where the lens goes?

If I fill the frame I want distinct hair stands, blackheads, pimples and facial hair vs. wax

If you mean JPEG output, adjust your Picture Style and NR. If you mean RAW, I don't know what you're talking about.

Sports Photogs can't shoot tethered to a PC on the field, shooting over the bow of a boat or squatting next to jump for dirt bikes. I'd love a 2TB - External Drive with a sealed connection

2TB CFExpress cards are already a thing.

Auto MA - If I have to buy a new 2.8 300 & 400 & 70-200 & 24-70 & 85 as least have the body mate with the lens

If you mean AFMA, mirrorless cameras don't need that in the first place.

 

[TracerHD]

My first expectations:
R1 - Global Shutter - 21MP Quad Pixel Mode - 42MP Dual Pixel Mode - Screen like R5 with more resolution - more EVF resolution - battery grip built in - battery with more capacity like previous 1-Cameras - larger top OLED Display than R5 - Sensor protected by Mechanical Shutter when changing Lenses - ...

 

[Kit.]

I still wonder what has prevented Canon from alternating horizontally and vertically oriented Dual Pixels?

It won't produce pixel-sharp focusing.

 

[Bahrd]

It won't produce pixel-sharp focusing.

That's what I suspected, but... How Sony manages to have a pixel sharp images then?

 

[Sharlin]

I still wonder what has prevented Canon from alternating horizontally and vertically oriented Dual Pixels?

Not an IC engineer, but I presume fabbing such a thing is much trickier, especially the wiring. Also readout and analysis of the phase data gets more complicated.

 

[Rzrsharp]

Time to wait for R5 MK II now.

It will be released 3 months after R1.

R5 MK II has a global shutter sensor and suerb AF system borrowed from R1.

R5 MK II will make R5 like a lame duck.

 

[Rzrsharp]

How can focus better than R5 and R6? It will focus even before you push the button? If focus where you point your eye in the evf? Lol

1) less EVF lag. Users will point the lens at subjects tighter but behind.
Manufacturer will unclose the evf lag data if it is really short enough.
2) Recognize more subjects, eg, more kind of animal eyes, flowers stigmas.
3) Tracking multiple AF subjects even when one of them is activated.

 

[Franklyok]

The reason we are reading those leaks and ruomors is because RED has released global shutter 6k beast.

Canin users please do not upgrade to RED.

 

[EOS 4 Life]

What is a global shutter?

A rolling shutter is when the electronic shutter exposes the sensor one line at a time.
A global shutter is when the sensor is read completely in a single pass.
Rolling shutter can lead to artifacts if the light is changing, there are fast-moving subjects or the camera is moving.

 

[EOS 4 Life]

2TB CFExpress cards are already a thing.

4 TB CFExpress cards are a thing