Canon’s 2024 Roadmap, and the timeline surprised us [CR3]

[Deleted member 383640]

I had one bad experience with them early on (MPB US), it took them much longer than promised to review the gear I sent in, then there was a banking issue on their side with the payment, the overall result was that it took 3 weeks from them getting the gear to me getting the money. I gave them another chance and it went fine, and have sold other items to them since. In one case, they upgraded the condition from my selection of Excellent to Like New, in another they dropped it from Like New to Excellent, all others have been as I selected when obtaining the quote.

Actually, I'll likely be sending off my EF 11-24/4L to MPB pretty soon, since the RF 10-20/4L I just ordered is currently out for delivery on a UPS truck.

I think that MPB US and MPB EU have very little in common. It seems to me that MPB EU is actually just one of the franchise branches. I am glad for your positive experiences.

 

[sanj]

I use my 50mm wide open at 1.2 all the time at receptions, I don't have any issues with getting people in focus. The 35mm 1.2 would be even more forgiving than the 50.

ONLY if they are far away

 

[danfaz]

I work side by side with different Canon EMEA Ambassadors - none of them has an R1 to test with them (at least not on field).
So not sure about many of these comments here..

A forum member here claims his agency has had the R1 to test.

 

[Loswr]

A forum member here claims his agency has had the R1 to test.

This guy? He appears to be a troll who speaks from both sides of his mouth. 'We haven't had enough time to fully test the R1s we got', 'Our agency is done with Canon.'

 

[danfaz]

This guy? He appears to be a troll who speaks from both sides of his mouth. 'We haven't had enough time to fully test the R1s we got', 'Our agency is done with Canon.'

Yep, that's the one!

 

[HMC11]

People who really need to save money can buy the original 5D for around $250 last time I checked.

Didn't know the 5D is still selling (new?), and I thought given another 20-30 years, that camera would achieve antique status and be sold for a high price. Anyway, afraid I cannot go back that far now that I am fairly invested in RF lenses.

 

[EOS 4 Life]

I wouldn't be surprised if Canon leaked rumors that the R5II wouldn't be out until later this year to keep up sales of the R5I, which we can tell aren't currently great

I do not understand.
If the sales are not great then why would Canon want to keep them up?

 

[Dragon]

Just to add. I thought of this after writing up the latest patent application I was reading today.

Canon's fabs more than sales may be dictating camera releases. Canon isn't going to release a popular camera until the sensor yields are where they want them to be.

So all these timeline rumors even from last year, could have been true - at the time.

But as things progress, and if the fabrication plants are struggling with yields, that shoves the entire timeline back until they can get things up to snuff - or enough sensors produced for the camera side.

I forget what paper or patent .. but it was completely unrelated Canon has dropped down to around 50-60nm in chip tech currently from what their patents were describing. this is a huge step from around the 95;ish nm they were the last time it was communicated anywhere.

And that doesn't include ADC and signal processing layers which usually use smaller geometries - if Canon doesn't have the equipment really to do any of this, then they have to do multi-patterning to create smaller design rules with older equipment.

As Canon works on faster sensors, they have more of a challenge to control heat, timing, and power requirements. Advanced stacking, more layers, etc all come into play.

So this could all come down to an engineering problem that Canon is working through for the R1.

I doubt that we really have any idea what Canon's fabs are capable of. Canon makes a scanner that has overlay accuracy of better than 5 nm, so easily capable of 14-20 nm patterning. Canon is also producing FSI sensors that are faster than Sony's BSI sensors unless Sony glues a chip to the back (likely from a contract fab). Pretty hard to believe that Canon does not keep their own fab up to the limits of the machines that they, themselves, make. Sensor elements are inherently large, but the surrounding circuitry benefits from scaling so it doesn't take up as much area around the active sensor.

 

[dirtyvu]

wow, if the R5ii and the 35 1.2 launch on the same day, my wallet will be getting a lot lighter...

 

[EOS 4 Life]

The Nikon Z9 has the fastest readout speed.

 

[EOS 4 Life]

The R3ii will be Canon's answer to the Z8

I suspect it will be closer to the a9 III.

 

[Del Paso]

When you mentioned MPB...

MPB is a complete scam, at least from my experience here in the EU (Berlin branch).

I had decided to sell my EF 100-400 L II to them. Their initial offer was relatively OK, but when they received the lens, they reported that they discovered water entering the lens and scratches on the front lens. That lens was never exposed to even the slightest rain, and it had a protective filter from day one, so their remarks were a complete fabrication only with the aim of further reducing the original offer. The only real "problem" the lens had was dust inside it, but they didn't list that as a problem. In the end I backed out of the transaction and the lens was returned to me. When the lens arrived back, they had already affixed a label to the box with their SKU number and condition description - excellent.

I advise bypassing the EU branch of the MPB. The goods they buy are obviously not checked, they try to knock down the purchase prices with false claims, they stick their own stickers on the packaging in which you sent the equipment and remove and throw away the original bags...

I've been usually very satisfied dealing with them in the past. (mostly German subsidiary).
Things seem to have changed, no idea why. A few months ago, I had a warranty issue, which was accepted, by phone and email, after I had sent pictures of the defect.
I even got a written confirmation that I'd either get my money back, or an equivalent replacement. I sent the lens back, and the so-called experts rejected my claim,saying that it was normal the a recognized as excellent lens produced mushy corners...
Long story short: after I had informed them I wanted to contact the CEO, things were promptly settled.
What I nevertheless find really shocking is that they still declare lenses with visible fungus or humidity damage (not an isolated case!) as "excellent". I know from my Leica contacts that Leica does never accept repairs of fungus affected lenses...
I only hope they'll turn back to a normal (their former) behaviour, I strongly suspect these issues are due to an internal reorganization or to an "optimization" of their strategy. To put it differently: so-called cost optimization. We all know what that means, unfortunately...

 

[Del Paso]

When you mentioned MPB...

MPB is a complete scam, at least from my experience here in the EU (Berlin branch).

I had decided to sell my EF 100-400 L II to them. Their initial offer was relatively OK, but when they received the lens, they reported that they discovered water entering the lens and scratches on the front lens. That lens was never exposed to even the slightest rain, and it had a protective filter from day one, so their remarks were a complete fabrication only with the aim of further reducing the original offer. The only real "problem" the lens had was dust inside it, but they didn't list that as a problem. In the end I backed out of the transaction and the lens was returned to me. When the lens arrived back, they had already affixed a label to the box with their SKU number and condition description - excellent.

I advise bypassing the EU branch of the MPB. The goods they buy are obviously not checked, they try to knock down the purchase prices with false claims, they stick their own stickers on the packaging in which you sent the equipment and remove and throw away the original bags...

I, unfortunately, have to agree, while adding: has become so lately...

 

[Deleted member 378085]

On a positive note, I am able to travel with my Canon R3 this summer on some epic adventures photographing wildlife. Worrying about, when a camera is released is the least of my concerns (although knowing the specs would be cool).

I'm a wildlife photographer as well, and I grappled with having the R5 or R3, in the end I'm using the R5 and the 45mp is absolutely the reason I'm using it. Based on that there really is very little for me to complain about, I rarely miss moments, if I do it usually is my mistake and not the cameras. But as history goes the R1 will most likely be lower MP than the R5ii so I will again choose the R5 over the flagship.

 

[Doug7131]

We don't know what the readout speed of the a9iii is since it's impossible to test using the usual strobe light test. But given that it's max framerate is 120fps it must be under 8ms.

 

[frankchn]

With a global shutter sensor, readout speed is irrelevant anyway.

 

[Del Paso]

I think that MPB US and MPB EU have very little in common. It seems to me that MPB EU is actually just one of the franchise branches. I am glad for your positive experiences.

Well, as I wrote before, until lately I was fully satified with MPB Europe. They also upgraded a few items I sold them. The issues began, for me, in 2023, not before. Some negative organizational changes must have taken place.
I still believe that selling fungus affected lenses, and classifying them as "excellent" is a dubious commercial practice, politely expressed...

 

[tbgtomcom]

ONLY if they are far away

What in the hell are you talking about? Clearly you and I have different shooting styles.

 

[Doug7131]

With a global shutter sensor, readout speed is irrelevant anyway.

It's still relevant since it determines the maximum frame rate the camera can shoot. It's also important for AF since all AF data comes from the sensor. The faster the camera can get access to that data the more time it has to process and act upon it which should improve AF performance.

 

[Loswr]

What in the hell are you talking about? Clearly you and I have different shooting styles.

I suspect he means that if you're about 2 m from a subject at f/1.2, the DoF is <3 cm meaning the eyes are in focus but the ears are starting to blur. And two people would likely not both be in focus.