"1Dsq" & 3D [CR1]

[Canon Rumors Guy]

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<p><strong>1Ds Mark Squared</strong>

Received some information that we talked about <a href="http://www.canonrumors.com/2010/05/the-cmos-sensor-squared-cr2/">many moons ago</a>. The shift of the top end 1D camera to  a square sensor.</p>
<p>The information goes on to say Canon has the technology to do 8-10fps with a 35-40mp image file.</p>
<p><strong>3D Returns</strong>

We all love to dream about it, and the 3D is making its annual return to the rumor mill.</p>
<p><!--more--><strong>From <a href="http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/cameras/Canon_3d.html">NL</a></strong></p>
<ul>
<li>3D full frame – 18MP</li>
<li>No built in grip, 1 series ‘style’ build</li>
<li>7D/1D focus</li>
<li>Active focus screen (as per 7D)</li>
<li>ISO to 102400</li>
<li>Video as with 7D</li>
</ul>
<p><strong> Another vote for a smaller pro camera</strong>

Along with the above square sensor information, I was told again to expect a new top end camera body. Again, the “smaller body” was mentioned.<strong></strong></p>
<p><strong><span style="color: #ff0000;">c</span>r</strong></p>

 

[Anastas]

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Waiting for the mythical 3D almost 3 years now... It's time canon to release it, or stop this bullshit!

 

[fman]

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It looks to good to be true but
would be on my must have list...

 

[bvukich]

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What about the lenses that have rectangular reflection masks?

The 24-105/4L is the most obvious example I can think of, as it is masked after the back element and clearly visible.

 

[kubelik]

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What about the lenses that have rectangular reflection masks?

The 24-105/4L is the most obvious example I can think of, as it is masked after the back element and clearly visible.

yeah, I'm guessing the likelihood of this is about the same as the likelihood of the minnesota vikings being crowned this year's super bowl champion. just ain't gonna happen.

 

[Ivar]

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18MP on FF - because of the bigger sensel size and newer technology the 1D high ISO must look awful in comparison i.e. it is pretty clear if those specs materialise the 1D update must follow.

 

[jsolsona]

Re: “1Dsq” & 3D [CR1]

3D full frame – 18MP

I would looove to see this.
I'm waiting for the 5D III but I'm not too happy with the supposedly super high MP
I'd love a FF at about 18MP. That would be the perfect camera

 

[traveller]

Re: “1Dsq” & 3D [CR1]

It sounds like every idiot is trying to jump onto the bandwagon. I guess this is how certain 'sources' imporve their CR# ratings: wait until you think an announcement might be close then cover off a base with a made up (but logical) set of specifications; if you're close you instantly improve to CR2 or CR3, if not try again next time from a different email address.

Still, it keeps us amused-so I guess we're really the biggest idiots.

 

[Stone]

Re: “1Dsq” & 3D [CR1]

If only this rumor were finally true, add 8fps & I'd stand in line to get this body.
I'm skeptical of the 18MP, I just don't see Canon giving up the high MP bragging rights just yet. I would expect 21-24 MP especially if the 5DIII is going into the 30+ MP range.

 

[Wahoowa]

Re: “1Dsq” & 3D [CR1]

I recall that a 3D rumor last year that this camera would be designed specifically for "low light". If this camera comes out at a reasonable price, I will be all over it.

 

[unfocused]

Re: “1Dsq” & 3D [CR1]

wait until you think an announcement might be close then cover off a base with a made up (but logical) set of specifications

Scratch the "logical" and I would agree.

 

[jeremymerriam]

Re: “1Dsq” & 3D [CR1]

<strong>1Ds Mark Squared</strong>

Received some information that we talked about <a href=\"http://www.canonrumors.com/2010/05/the-cmos-sensor-squared-cr2/\">many moons ago</a>. The shift of the top end 1D camera to  a square sensor.</p>
<p>The information goes on to say Canon has the technology to do 8-10fps with a 35-40mp image file.</p>
<p><strong>3D Returns</strong>

We all love to dream about it, and the 3D is making its annual return to the rumor mill.</p>
<p><strong>From <a href=\"http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/cameras/Canon_3d.html\">NL</a></strong></p>
<ul>
<li>3D full frame – 18MP</li>
<li>No built in grip, 1 series ‘style’ build</li>
<li>7D/1D focus</li>
<li>Active focus screen (as per 7D)</li>
<li>ISO to 102400</li>
<li>Video as with 7D</li>
</ul>
<p><strong> Another vote for a smaller pro camera</strong>

Along with the above square sensor information, I was told again to expect a new top end camera body. Again, the “smaller body” was mentioned.<strong></strong></p>
<p><strong><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">c</span>r</strong>

I think as a website made to churn out rumors, you should have a bit more discretion with all these rumors you come across. Maybe you should have the people give some sort of supportive evidence to these claims? There must be some way to filter through all this nonsense. The latest rumor is just plain nonsense a just as ugly as gossip

 

[Bob Howland]

Re: “1Dsq” & 3D [CR1]

I think as a website made to churn out rumors, you should have a bit more discretion with all these rumors you come across. Maybe you should have the people give some sort of supportive evidence to these claims? There must be some way to filter through all this nonsense. The latest rumor is just plain nonsense a just as ugly as gossip

Just what would you suggest for "supportive evidence"? He's using past history of the rumor provider as a "filter". If you have a better suggestion, we'd love to hear it.

 

[gmrza]

Re: “1Dsq” & 3D [CR1]

If you consider Canon's need to differentiate the 1Ds range from the 5D range, a square sensor could be a way to do that, given that it is probably a more practical aspect ratio for studio use. Another benefit is for those instances when you have to use direct on-camera flash, and you have no way of avoiding ugly shadows other than keeping the camera upright, you don't lose so much in cropping.
That may be sufficient for wedding and portrait shooters to prefer a 1Ds series camera over a 5D series camera...
From an engineering perspective, a square sensor may be less demanding on lenses than a 2:3 sensor - because of less use of the fringes of the light circle. While I do not have sufficient technical expertise in this area, I suspect a square sensor might allow Canon to pack in more, smaller pixels and still get sufficient image quality.
After all, a 24x36mm frame is purely a relic of 35mm film.

 

[Mark]

Re: “1Dsq” & 3D [CR1]

I use the 7D for shooting video quite a bit. For me, the one most important feature that would justify buying the next camera Canon puts out is for the video to autofocus like a regular camcorder or the Sony mirrorless cameras. I have all Canon lenses but have even considered buying a Sony just for the video autofocus capability.

Have you heard anything about video autofocus in an upcoming Canon DSLR?

 

[J-Man]

Re: “1Dsq” & 3D [CR1]

I don't think it would be too hard for a company with the resources that Canon has, to release a new format to expand their market share.
Could it be possible that the lens manufacturing problems Canon is currently having might be due to adapting their production lines to a new mount design and therefor delaying the announced lenses....
Granted it could also be Canons loose AF tolerances biting them in the butt.

The 3D specs sound good, I might part with my 1DIII
* 3D full frame – 18MP
I'd be happy with anything between 15 & 21MP.
* No built in grip, 1 series ‘style’ build
Full weather sealing is a must have now days.
* 7D/1D focus
If not: = FAIL
* Active focus screen (as per 7D)
Must be able to manual focus easily!
* ISO to 102400
As long as 50-1600 are noise free, and no $%^&%% banding!
* Video as with 7D
With improved AF for live view & video I hope.

 

[macfly]

Re: “1Dsq” & 3D [CR1]

I'd be very surprised because there are so few real uses for square images these days. Nobody buys cd's or albums anymore, so where's the reason to go square? Maybe mp bragging rights, but other than that everyone will be cropping it all the time, so a 42mp will reall be more like a 35mp. However the idea of a camera that is always held the correct way up is reather appealing

6x7 is actually about the most useful of all the aspect ratios I've used over the years in terms of using the most of the film regadless of whether its single page, double page or billboard.

Ah well, I hope they don't take too long with it, whatever it is, because Nikon is starting to look awefully good these days!

 

[Gcon]

Re: “1Dsq” & 3D [CR1]

Oooh the 3D is exactly what I want. Well I'd like to stay at 21MP (I'm a 5DmkII user) but for the stuff I shoot and sizes I print then 3MP difference (14% drop) probably wouldn't be an issue, but if they can increase low-light performance, add 1d-level pro weather sealing, up the shutter speed and improve the AF then I am so there!!!

Lenses - new improved 50mm f/1.2L II would be good to go with it - a low-light specialist body needs a better low-light prime to go with it.. hint hint...

 

[Osiris30]

Re: “1Dsq” & 3D [CR1]

<strong>1Ds Mark Squared</strong>

Received some information that we talked about <a href=\"http://www.canonrumors.com/2010/05/the-cmos-sensor-squared-cr2/\">many moons ago</a>. The shift of the top end 1D camera to  a square sensor.</p>
<p>The information goes on to say Canon has the technology to do 8-10fps with a 35-40mp image file.</p>
<p><strong>3D Returns</strong>

We all love to dream about it, and the 3D is making its annual return to the rumor mill.</p>
<p><strong>From <a href=\"http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/cameras/Canon_3d.html\">NL</a></strong></p>
<ul>
<li>3D full frame – 18MP</li>
<li>No built in grip, 1 series ‘style’ build</li>
<li>7D/1D focus</li>
<li>Active focus screen (as per 7D)</li>
<li>ISO to 102400</li>
<li>Video as with 7D</li>
</ul>
<p><strong> Another vote for a smaller pro camera</strong>

Along with the above square sensor information, I was told again to expect a new top end camera body. Again, the “smaller body” was mentioned.<strong></strong></p>
<p><strong><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">c</span>r</strong>

Ok, so let's see... Canon is going to bring out all new lenses for this square format sensor, and we haven't seen a single square format lens patent... right that does that one in.

As for this 3D.. Anyone who thinks Canon is going to drop their sensel density needs to give their heads a shake. ISO performance and sensel size have *very* little to do with each other, the newest Sony APS-C proves this point. The current Nikon high-iso monster which shall be unnamed is that way due to other design reasons, not the sensel size.

I *really* wish people would get over this silly internet myth that smaller pixels are bad (and it is a myth until a point we aren't close to). You actually improve DR with more smaller sensels due to highlights not being blown to kingdom come.

While I appreciate the rumors didn't originate with CR, I do wish people would apply a little critical thinking to some of them. If you guys *want* something from a sensor how about faster microlenses, something f0.6 or so to allow f1.2 lenses to actually be used to their full advantage in terms of light gathering. The only reason I don't own an f1.2 lens is I can't use it at close to f1.2 from a light gathering perspective (and I really don't need DOF that thin.. not that I couldn't handle it, but I don't need it for artistic purposes).

Give me a 40MP, 4:1 binned (optionally) FF sensor with fast microlenses and I will buy it. Immediately. Give me nice low readout noise and nicely designed wells of a good depth. Move as much of the support circuitry to the back of the sensor to improve sensel density.. these are the things people would be asking for if they stopped to think about how light and sensors *actually* work... oh and if someone (anyone, I'd switch brands for this in a heartbeat), can come up with a way to have the bayer filter be movable so I can put the camera in true monochrome mode, they would be my god (and yes I know it won't happen, but if we're dreaming.. )

 

[Osiris30]

Re: “1Dsq” & 3D [CR1]

...
Ok, so let's see... Canon is going to bring out all new lenses for this square format sensor, and we haven't seen a single square format lens patent... right that does that one in.
...

Canon doesn't need to bring out all new lenses. The *only* lens that I'm aware of that isn't appropriate for the square sensor is the 24-105L/f4 because of the rectangular bit on the back. If they did bring out a square sensor, I would not at all be surprised if Canon also announced a program to "fix" those lenses.

There are many more than that.. I just can't be bothered to go and figure out which they are right now. Not to mention I wouldn't want to see the corners on a 36mmx36mm sensor with the lens that don't have the baffle on the back of them.

Oh I just thought of a lens with a baffle on the back that's not square (enough).. the 70-200 f2.8 Mk II.. Canon's best 'pro' zoom lens ever (sorry but I usually don't study the rear-end of most lenses)