Canon EOS 5D Mark III Replacement Talk [CR1]

Mr Majestyk

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sanj said:
C-Log is very important to me. 1dx2 fails to interest me because of lack of C-log.
I fully expect a fw upgrade within 6 months to correct this, the calls for this will be too loud to ignore.
 

K

EOS RP
Jan 29, 2015
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We know the 5DX will be better than the 5D3 in FPS. But by how much?

I'm assuming an improvement, unlike the 80D that kept the same FPS as the 70D. With Nikon running the D750 at 6.5, Canon must respond. If Canon leaves the 5DX at 6fps, that will earn them quite a bit of criticism.

Thus, the most likely and also smallest improvement will be 7fps. Which is decent. In the 5-7 fps realm, each frame per second that much more significant compared to say 11fps vs 12fps.

A generous improvement would be 8fps. That would be really solid. 8fps in the 7D was a great event camera speed. All without being a pro-sports FPS level camera (10fps or more). 9fps would be very surprising leap in speed. We might also see a middle of the road increase, say 7.5fps.

10FPS is NOT happening. That would hurt 1DX2 sales. I wrote a huge post in an older thread as to how to think about FPS. It is about segmenting the practical usefulness and abilities of frame rates. 10FPS is "good enough" high speed sports FPS, and it is "good enough" for many to skip out on the 1DX2, particular those who, while aren't hurting for money or on a tight budget, wouldn't mind dodging having to pay $6,000, as they can put the extra into glass or other gear. Yes, there's a demand for FF with high FPS without all the other benefits of a 1D series camera. 10fps serves a lot of needs. 14/16fps is then left for the most demanding of demanding. Canon isn't stupid. They'll be sure to drive up those buyers who would be satisfied with 9 or 10fps into a 1D series by keeping the 5DX at 7 or 8 at most.

Same reason the 6D2 isn't getting two card slots. Drive anyone who cares about data security for paid jobs up to a 5D series. Some will do that, others will defect to Nikon.


The one area Canon could no longer use as a "segmentation" tool is autofocus. They had to give in due to market forces. The 80D having 45pt system is proof of that. This means the 6D2 is going to at least have the same. If it has anything less, it will be very lame in the eyes of the marketplace that judges specs. 2016 and possibly 2017 for that camera...FULL FRAME with 19pt and 1 slot at $2K or more? What a joke. I'm hoping for 45pt and 2 slot for a solid entry FF.


Giving in and finally offering up serious AF systems is one of the most expected and safest areas for Canon to do that. In reality, they concede little. In other words, it allows them to not look bad compared to Nikon - but they still segment and upsell within their own lineup by protecting frame rate and card slots. Let's face it, without high FPS, these advanced AF systems aren't really that useful. Ok, less focus and recompose. That's about it. But the idea with these systems is advanced tracking of fast moving subjects, which generally speaking - also requires the benefit of high FPS.
 

dash2k8

EOS RP
Dec 21, 2010
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I'm a Canikon shooter with a D750. If the 5DX can perform similarly, it will make my work flow a lot easier. I will only need to bring one set of lenses, for example. I assume it will cost more than the D750, so it is not unreasonable to demand similar DR/noise/AF (considering it borrows a lot of stuff from the 1DX2). Keeping fingers crossed...
 

pwp

EOS 5D MK IV
Oct 25, 2010
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K said:
We know the 5DX will be better than the 5D3 in FPS. But by how much?.......

10FPS is NOT happening. That would hurt 1DX2 sales......
The shutter durability of the 1DX2 should retain the hard-core high volume shooters. My 5D MkIII is on it's third shutter. Each shutter has been averaging around 130k clicks which CPS says is pretty normal. I expected better.

A 5D-(X/MkIV ??? ) even with top spec AF and 10 FPS, wouldn't hurt 1DX2 sales. The 1-Series burst depth, weather proofing spec, unrivalled ergonomics and that carved from a solid lump of Unobtanium feel should carry the day. On top of that, you've got that 1-Series shutter life. Huge!

-pw
 

LetTheRightLensIn

EOS 5D SR
Apr 19, 2011
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Sounds good, but hopefully not too moderate of a pixel count. The 5Ds mess is giving them issues. A7R II proves you can do tops video and high DR and high ISO and high MP all at once.

And hopefully they do offer a 1:1 zoomed peak book during video, sure their video AF will be good at times, but sometimes you have to go manual for video and they way they crippled it it's impossible to focus in manual mode (without ML at least, but not sure that will ever arrive for 5DX).

But the Canon LOG, Wide DR, 4k, 1DX2 AF stuff all sounds very good.

But oh hint hint they could make up for going lower MP count by then giving the video something special, like 10bits. Then you are worse in some ways but definitely better in others. Instead of equal in most and worse in some.
 

tron

EOS 5D SR
Nov 8, 2011
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pwp said:
K said:
We know the 5DX will be better than the 5D3 in FPS. But by how much?.......

10FPS is NOT happening. That would hurt 1DX2 sales......
The shutter durability of the 1DX2 should retain the hard-core high volume shooters. My 5D MkIII is on it's third shutter. Each shutter has been averaging around 130k clicks which CPS says is pretty normal. I expected better.

A 5D-(X/MkIV ??? ) even with top spec AF and 10 FPS, wouldn't hurt 1DX2 sales. The 1-Series burst depth, weather proofing spec, unrivalled ergonomics and that carved from a solid lump of Umobtanium feel should carry the day. On top of that, you've got that 1-Series shutter life. Huge!

-pw
Good remarks! Which remind me that we need a 5DMkIV that has bigger buffer than 5D3, takes pics at 8 fps, is better weather sealed (OK I mean up to 7D2 level!) has great DR and High ISO performance drrrrrrinnn oh no my wake alarm.... ;D ;D ;D
 

dolina

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I look forward to the 5D3 replacement having between 24-51MP.

It having CFast (600MB/s) + UHS-II (312MB/s) SD card will allow for 10fps drive, hopefully.

What else? :)

ISO 100-51,200? :)

10fps drive would hurt the 7D Mark II more than the 1DX2.
 

CanoKnight

EOS 80D
Jul 7, 2014
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Nininini said:
CanoKnight said:
On a slightly off topic, I read somewhere that Canon were planning to migrate their camera OS from DRYOS (homegrown) to Android. I don't know if that's true, maybe it will launch with the 5dx (!), but such a transition would make sense.
Goolge is on my browser, on my smarphone, on my TV, in my car.

Please don't let it get its paws on my camera.

I don't want Android anywhere near my camera. I think Google has enough personal information about people that it doesn need to have access to my camera.

Android is an *open source operating system*. It's not some mysterious app that Google installs in your phone to spy on you with. What that means is that the innards of the OS are open for anyone to see and they are free to do whatever they like with it. They can twist it, bend it, shape it and modify it to heart's content. If there is anything in Android that "reports back to Google" it's the out of the box Google version of it, but if built from 'source' - which is free to download- you can exclude any part that you don't like from your build, including the part that 'reports back to Google'. Amazon did that with fireOS, and there is a Chinese company also building their own customized version of Android from source for their own line of mobile devices. If Canon wanted to run their EOS line of cameras on Android, which imo would be a great thing to do because Google has more software brainpower than Canon, they could download the source from Google like the other companies did and build their version of Android customized for their cameras.
 

ecka

Size Matters!
Apr 5, 2011
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dolina said:
I look forward to the 5D3 replacement having between 24-51MP.

It having CFast (600MB/s) + UHS-II (312MB/s) SD card will allow for 10fps drive, hopefully.

What else? :)

ISO 100-51,200? :)

10fps drive would hurt the 7D Mark II more than the 1DX2.
39MP or more ;)
OVF + EVF
CFast + Dual SD
8fps or more
ISO 25-25600
built-in RT transmitter
1DX2 AF system
vari-angle touch screen!
4K60p, DPAF, focus peaking

Of course it is impossible ... I mean vari-angle touch screen with focus peaking in a 5D body :D, but at least the rest of it should be there. ::)
 

slclick

PINHOLE
Dec 17, 2013
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I cannot fathom having 'more' than what my 5D3 offers. Hell, I could even downgrade to a 6D and be happy. Not that there's any chance in hell I'm doing just that, lol. But still, I'm happy with my camera bodies and all I look forward to rumor wise is about glass and compact backups such as an SL2 or a next level ML from Canon.
 

scottkinfw

Wildlife photography is my passion
CanoKnight said:
brad-man said:
Adelino said:
CanoKnight said:
On a slightly off topic, I read somewhere that Canon were planning to migrate their camera OS from DRYOS (homegrown) to Android. I don't know if that's true, maybe it will launch with the 5dx (!), but such a transition would make sense.
That would be HORRIBLE. My phone fails and has bugs and does wacky things, I want ZERO of that in a camera.
Oh come on. Who doesn't want to do online banking on their camera?

Online banking maybe a little farther down the road. But I can see Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Vimeo and YouTube apps being built in.
Why limit to online banking? Why not porn or watching sports while taking pics? Catch up on fb friends?
 

CanonFanBoy

EOS 5D SR
Jan 28, 2015
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Mr Majestyk said:
neuroanatomist said:
tron said:
Mr Majestyk said:
The 5DX name is indeed correct, but that's all I know about the 5D3 replacement.
How exactly do you know that?
A little birdie told him.
Yes and I said so 2 days before Canon Rumors also heard this. I know a Canon employee testing the replacement and all he would tell me is the name change, they have dropped the mark IV naming.
You or your friend are a liar. ::) If your friend is the liar, slap him. If you are the liar, slap yourself.