1DX II Poll: Dual CF vs Dual CFast vs Mix

[kaihp]

The screams of "you idjits, it's too slow"

I still don't get it. With any decent amount of buffer, CF is more than enough for everything else than 4k.

There's nothing to get here. Just the observation that people WILL complain about it, in 3 years time. No matter how good it was at launch. ;D

 

[Zv]

I voted split. I see advantages for both CF and CFast but dual not one each as it diminishes advantages of the fast card by having a slower card.

Now I think about it though - since the 1DX is already dual CF it kinda satisfied that need so really the 1DXII should be dual CFast.

 

[RGF]

Surprised that anyone would want to have only dual CF and or only CFast cards when they can have a choice in cameras.

Even if you would like to have dual CFast cards, having the camera in dual CF format (or vice versa) would not hurt you and would provide advantage to others who would like the other format

Okay, done lecturing.

 

[scyrene]

Can I choose option 5: absolutely don't care either way?

I like the dual SD-CF slot in the 5D3. But if I ever got a 1DxII (unlikely), I'd need new cards anyway, as my CFs are old and small. Might as well get CFast, but I wouldn't mind either way.

(Judging by the debate on here, whatever they do, they'll face a barrage of moaning).

 

[tpatana]

Surprised that anyone would want to have only dual CF and or only CFast cards when they can have a choice in cameras.

Even if you would like to have dual CFast cards, having the camera in dual CF format (or vice versa) would not hurt you and would provide advantage to others who would like the other format

Okay, done lecturing.

My Lexars are 64GB, and quite typical amount I shoot on a day is ~80-100GB. On 1DX no need to change cards. For 1DX2, I need to start looking when the first card comes full.

 

[expatinasia]

Surprised that anyone would want to have only dual CF and or only CFast cards when they can have a choice in cameras.

Even if you would like to have dual CFast cards, having the camera in dual CF format (or vice versa) would not hurt you and would provide advantage to others who would like the other format

Okay, done lecturing.

Not sure I understand what you are saying. Do you mean you do not understand why some people want two of the same card in the camera rather than a mix? You cannot use a CFast card in a CF card slot.

I have two 64GB Lexar 1066X cards in my camera now. I do not even need to think about what I am doing, nor which slot I am shooting to, as I know that when one fills it automatically switches to the other.

At the moment we can only guess at the full specs of the 1DX II, perhaps Canon has found ways to make use of the faster read/write speeds of the CFast cards. Perhaps it will in a year, or two or three with a new firmware update.

The ironic thing about this thread is that if they do mix, most people are going to have to buy a CFast card anyway, and some will buy two in case that faster card fills. So nobody is going to be saving money by not buying new cards - unless of course they keep a dual CF card slot which does seem unlikely.

Maybe they should have also put in a MicroSD card slot so I can stick that in my phone to upload pictures from my camera without using Bluetooth (which nobody seems to be talking about) or buying Canon's US$ 6XX Wi-Fi gadget.

 

[pwp]

This has all the hallmarks of a decision made by a committee. What a pity.

Having a negative response to mixed cards (CF & SD) in 1D MkIV, 5D MkIII & 7D MkII, it's disappointing that Canon hasn't had the guts to go with dual CFast. Busy professionals will always benefit from a powerful simplicity; like a best in class single card type. The 1DX with dual CF was a functional winner.

Nikon's gutsy approach to offer the choice is a superior, imaginative one. Canon's lumbering indecisiveness has left us a little poorer. Still, the 1DX MkII's dual card type will be a minor irritation in what promises to be a solid release.

-pw

 

[pwp]

Any bets on when a dual CFast 1Dx MkIIn might ship? Early 2017?
The 1D MkIIn was a very welcome mid-life release.

-pw

 

[Halfrack]

CFast card prices are relative to their volume of use - the more cameras and CFast cards sold, the faster we can get to better pricing...

Kinda f***ed up how SATA SSDs are cheaper than CFast..

 

[John]

there is no question in my mind that it is best to move forward with the latest technology in a top of the line camera. i want 2 CFast slots. no question about that.

 

[Orangutan]

there is no question in my mind that it is best to move forward with the latest technology in a top of the line camera. i want 2 CFast slots. no question about that.

Why? I'm not disagreeing, I'm just curious if there's a specific reason. From the discussions in the last few days, it's clear that a large buffer would eliminate the CF speed bottleneck for anything except 4K video. And, per CR Guy, most serious videographers would use an external recording device.

What, specifically, do you get by having only CFast slots? There's only one advantage I can think of, and that's the convenience of not having to manage two stacks of different kinds of cards. That seems a fairly minor inconvenience.

 

[scottgoh]

don't need to throw old cards away and slowly upgrade to CFast. one slot each is nice

 

[Zv]

there is no question in my mind that it is best to move forward with the latest technology in a top of the line camera. i want 2 CFast slots. no question about that.

Why? I'm not disagreeing, I'm just curious if there's a specific reason. From the discussions in the last few days, it's clear that a large buffer would eliminate the CF speed bottleneck for anything except 4K video. And, per CR Guy, most serious videographers would use an external recording device.

What, specifically, do you get by having only CFast slots? There's only one advantage I can think of, and that's the convenience of not having to manage two stacks of different kinds of cards. That seems a fairly minor inconvenience.

The only thing I can think of is to speed up post production workflow. Having all your cards CFast means not having to wait as long to transfer the data to your computer as it would otherwise. With the amount of images a typical pro might take it could be significant.

Camera functionality wise I don't see any reason that the CF cards slot would slow you down unless the buffer fills up. We can assume the buffer will be bigger than before thus it should be able to handle 14fps for quite some time before slowing down. I wonder if the high ISO files might make that happen sooner. And then there is RAW + JPEG continuous burst capability.

I guess with dual CFast no matter what you did the camera wouldn't slow down at all? Or only once it burst into flames from prolonged use! So, maybe it's a safety feature!

 

[Zv]

Surely at some point you'll need to swap out the card as you can't shoot until infinity. Even with a 128GB card it wouldn't take long before it filled up if you shoot 14fps non stop (about 6 minutes by my rubbish calculations so let's just say 10 conservatively)

My point being - changing the card mid shoot will be slowing you down more than the card slot itself even if they were both CFast.

 

[jeffa4444]

Both CFast. Speed advantage pure & simple.

 

[Orangutan]

Both CFast. Speed advantage pure & simple.

Speed advantage for what operation? So far, I've yet to see any argument that the speed might possibly be noticed in any operation other than copying to your computer afterwards. For example, let's say you took 10,000 photos at 35MB per image, and wanted to transfer them to your computer. With CFast it would take about 11 minutes, with CF it would take 36minutes. OK, I guess 25 minutes is significant, but not huge. And compared to the time you'll spend working on those images...

In what circumstance can you imagine that the speed will make a noticeable difference?

 

[ecka]

there is no question in my mind that it is best to move forward with the latest technology in a top of the line camera. i want 2 CFast slots. no question about that.

Sure, I'll just wait for the 3d-xpoint built-in memory.

 

[expatinasia]

And, per CR Guy, most serious videographers would use an external recording device.

Always makes me smile when I read something like this. I do a lot of stills and a lot of video. Whether you think I am a serious videographer or not does not bother me one way or the other, but I think the idea that serious videographers record to an external device is quite antiquated.

But you do not need to take my word for it. Watch Matt Granger in his YouTube video here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzqTeahNF1w talk about 4K on the Nikon D5, and also look at some of the comments as there are quite a few famous names commenting too.

Frankly, it is nice to be able to record internally as you do not always have the time, nor option to do external etc.

 

[tron]

Transcend's CX600 series CFast 2.0 (from Amazon.de)

256GB: 264 Euro
32GB: 58 Euro


64GB: 74 CHF (Swiss listing, but not yet available-->coming soon)

That concludes the argument for me (and everyone else).

Lexar CFast at Amazon.com

64GB: $190
128GB: $295
256GB: $800

Not going to get replacement for my current Lexars anytime soon. So for me the mix-config is downgrade, but I understand there's small minority who it'll cater for, and I can live with that. Much larger amount of people will benefit from the CF slot being there.

+1 Also the argument of who pays for a 1DxII and does not want to pay for CFAST cards can be changed a little.
Who gets a 1DxII to put Transcend cards inside ? ? ?????????????

 

[tpatana]

Transcend's CX600 series CFast 2.0 (from Amazon.de)

256GB: 264 Euro
32GB: 58 Euro


64GB: 74 CHF (Swiss listing, but not yet available-->coming soon)

That concludes the argument for me (and everyone else).

Lexar CFast at Amazon.com

64GB: $190
128GB: $295
256GB: $800

Not going to get replacement for my current Lexars anytime soon. So for me the mix-config is downgrade, but I understand there's small minority who it'll cater for, and I can live with that. Much larger amount of people will benefit from the CF slot being there.

+1 Also the argument of who pays for a 1DxII and does not want to pay for CFAST cards can be changed a little.
Who gets a 1DxII to put Transcend cards inside ? ? ?????????????

I guess same people who buy 1DX2 to shoot video.