400mm f/4. Anything good and "affordable"?

[Razor2012]

Here is another thought...

Consider a 2x mk.iii TC and use it on your 70-200mk.ii

I do the same and I rarely take out my 100-400L, but use the 70-200mk.ii + 2x mk.iii combo for most trips. The IQ is very comparable to the standalone 100-400L even though in absolute terms one could argue for the other. I find the combo has more gradiation in shadows, while the 100-400L has more contrast (both at 400mm), contrast is fixable in PP. I AFMA'ed my 70-200mkii + 2xmk.iii combo and it is very close in sharpness to the 100-400L. But if one splits hairs, one could call the 100-400L sharper in a controlled test... but in the field I doubt you will see the difference most of the time... the difference is probably more of academic in nature.

This will cost you less than $500 plus you can use the 2x on other lenses too.

I'm actually considering getting the 2xIII also. I thought I'd never go more than 1.4x on the 70-200 2.8II, but after hearing that people were getting pretty good results with the 2x, I have now changed my mind. This is good because it makes more sense to have 400mm rather than just 280, even though you are losing a cpl of stops.

 

[swampler]

The simplest, cheapest and most effective option is a 7D.

It will multiply any lens by 1.6 with no loss of aperture speed and better quality than any teleconverter. Cheaper than many of the options being suggested here.

someone else suggested the same to me just the other day!

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

The simplest, cheapest and most effective option is a 7D.

It will multiply any lens by 1.6 with no loss of aperture speed and better quality than any teleconverter. Cheaper than many of the options being suggested here.

someone else suggested the same to me just the other day!

I have the 7d, and use it with all those lenses. Its great as long as light is bright, but as it gets darker, its worthless while my 5D MK II and MK III keep right on going. A 1.4 or 2X TC with the 70-200mm MK II really loses ability to focus except in good light, while the 100-400mmL keeps on going.

There are lots of choices, and every one is a compromise, so pick your poison.

 

[drjlo]

The simplest, cheapest and most effective option is a 7D.

It will multiply any lens by 1.6 with no loss of aperture speed and better quality than any teleconverter. Cheaper than many of the options being suggested here.

Well, if I were to do that, I would buy a 7D after the rumored 7D MkII is launched and price of 7D goes down. If 7D II retains the same tired 18MP sensor as widely believed, that is.. Actually, I already have a 550D that already shares the same darn sensor, so the need is not that pressing.

Of course, on some nights, I still have strange thoughts of buying a D800 as my "backup."

 

[drjlo]

After doing lots of research, I've failed to get excited about the illusive good, affordable 400 f/4 lens. It's curious why Canon has not updated the aging 300 f/4 L IS (only 2 stops) and 400 f/5.6L, and those are not exactly cheap, either.

I just ordered the Kenko 2x DGX TC, as the IQ of my Kenko 1.4x DGX is stellar, and I will make do with the 2x TC on my Canon 70-200 f/2.8 MkII until something more exciting looms ahead..

 

[K-amps]

After doing lots of research, I've failed to get excited about the illusive good, affordable 400 f/4 lens. It's curious why Canon has not updated the aging 300 f/4 L IS (only 2 stops) and 400 f/5.6L, and those are not exactly cheap, either.

I just ordered the Kenko 2x DGX TC, as the IQ of my Kenko 1.4x DGX is stellar, and I will make do with the 2x TC on my Canon 70-200 f/2.8 MkII until something more exciting looms ahead..

I hope it works for you, however i don't know if it will stand up to the anon 2x Mk.iii and hence comparisons with the 100-400L might fall shot with the kenko. On the plus side... it will fir almost all EF lenses where as the Canon does not.

 

[drjlo]

After doing lots of research, I've failed to get excited about the illusive good, affordable 400 f/4 lens. It's curious why Canon has not updated the aging 300 f/4 L IS (only 2 stops) and 400 f/5.6L, and those are not exactly cheap, either.

I just ordered the Kenko 2x DGX TC, as the IQ of my Kenko 1.4x DGX is stellar, and I will make do with the 2x TC on my Canon 70-200 f/2.8 MkII until something more exciting looms ahead..

I hope it works for you, however i don't know if it will stand up to the canon 2x Mk.iii and hence comparisons with the 100-400L might fall shot with the kenko. On the plus side... it will fir almost all EF lenses where as the Canon does not.

The clincher was I could order the Kenko 2x for $180 new from eBay. Can't argue with that, and pretty much every user report I've read says Kenko 2x is indistinguishable from Canon 2x MkII, so even if Canon MkIII is a little better, who knows..

 

[Random Orbits]

After doing lots of research, I've failed to get excited about the illusive good, affordable 400 f/4 lens. It's curious why Canon has not updated the aging 300 f/4 L IS (only 2 stops) and 400 f/5.6L, and those are not exactly cheap, either.

That is one reason to wait for the 100-400L replacement. Even if it is priced at 2500, it will still be less costly than the 300 f/4 and the 400 f/5.6 combined, and should deliver better IQ too.

With the 100-400 ending at 400mm at f/5.6, it doesn't make sense to have a 400mm f/5.6 prime. Perhaps Canon should introduce a 400mm f/4 prime instead. Will it be expensive -- absolutely, but a lot less than the +10k 500mm or 600mm primes and only a stop slower with an 1.4x.

 

[drjlo]

With the 100-400 ending at 400mm at f/5.6, it doesn't make sense to have a 400mm f/5.6 prime. Perhaps Canon should introduce a 400mm f/4 prime instead. Will it be expensive -- absolutely, but a lot less than the +10k 500mm or 600mm primes and only a stop slower with an 1.4x.

I sure hope 100-400 MkII comes along, but honestly, waiting for these rumored Canon lenses is becoming very tiring.

 

[tron]

I do have 100-400mm, 300mm (non-IS) and 1.4EF II.

Believe it or not I found that the 300+1.4 combination at f/7.1 was sharper than the 100-400 at f/8.0 !!!
(both on a tripod)

Maybe it's because it is the non-IS 300mm version I do not know.
Also it was not an extensive test (I was taking pictures and happened to have both of them).
The 100-400 is generally satisfactory but the 300 + 1.4 was better!
The 100-400 provides versatility but when time is available (tripod, static subjects) then I will prefer the other combination.

Now where is my cheap 400mm f/4.0 lens?

 

[K-amps]

After doing lots of research, I've failed to get excited about the illusive good, affordable 400 f/4 lens. It's curious why Canon has not updated the aging 300 f/4 L IS (only 2 stops) and 400 f/5.6L, and those are not exactly cheap, either.

I just ordered the Kenko 2x DGX TC, as the IQ of my Kenko 1.4x DGX is stellar, and I will make do with the 2x TC on my Canon 70-200 f/2.8 MkII until something more exciting looms ahead..

I hope it works for you, however i don't know if it will stand up to the canon 2x Mk.iii and hence comparisons with the 100-400L might fall shot with the kenko. On the plus side... it will fir almost all EF lenses where as the Canon does not.

The clincher was I could order the Kenko 2x for $180 new from eBay. Can't argue with that, and pretty much every user report I've read says Kenko 2x is indistinguishable from Canon 2x MkII, so even if Canon MkIII is a little better, who knows..

From what I have read, the MK.iii blows the Mk.ii in IQ.

You can research this on your own as well.

 

[infilm]

@drjlo.

What are you shooting that you want the reach of a 400mm-600mm lens? I ask because I recently discovered that my 5D2 will auto focus with my 300mm f4 and the 2x II extender in live view mode. If you're shooting something other than sports or quick moving objects, perhaps a 300 and a 2x extender might work for you. Hope this helps.

 

[K-amps]

@drjlo.

What are you shooting that you want the reach of a 400mm-600mm lens? I ask because I recently discovered that my 5D2 will auto focus with my 300mm f4 and the 2x II extender in live view mode. If you're shooting something other than sports or quick moving objects, perhaps a 300 and a 2x extender might work for you. Hope this helps.

Yes it works even with 400mm f5.6 + 2x @ F11 under liveview, but it is slower than MF and less accurate than MF. At best it will get you close to the focal point then you can manually adjust it for max focus by hand.

 

[drjlo]

@drjlo.

What are you shooting that you want the reach of a 400mm-600mm lens? I ask because I recently discovered that my 5D2 will auto focus with my 300mm f4 and the 2x II extender in live view mode. If you're shooting something other than sports or quick moving objects, perhaps a 300 and a 2x extender might work for you. Hope this helps.

So f/8 AF works in live view but not viewfinder?
I unfortunately am known to chase after birds and love shooting them in flight. THAT can get quite expensive in Canon land. I'll try the Kenko 2x TC on the 70-200 MkII, which fortunately has fabulous IS, AF, and MTF to burn, hopefully all enough to compensate for 2x TC effects. It already works great with 1.4x TC..

 

[swampler]

I unfortunately am known to chase after birds and love shooting them in flight. THAT can get quite expensive in Canon land. I'll try the Kenko 2x TC on the 70-200 MkII, which fortunately has fabulous IS, AF, and MTF to burn, hopefully all enough to compensate for 2x TC effects. It already works great with 1.4x TC..

I have the Kenko 2x TC on the 70-200 f/2.8L (not MkII and not IS) and it works well stopped down a bit. Can get some haze wide open, but not always.

 

[RLPhoto]

An Old FD 400mm F4.5? Close enough Eh? 8)

 

[infilm]

@drjlo.

What are you shooting that you want the reach of a 400mm-600mm lens? I ask because I recently discovered that my 5D2 will auto focus with my 300mm f4 and the 2x II extender in live view mode. If you're shooting something other than sports or quick moving objects, perhaps a 300 and a 2x extender might work for you. Hope this helps.

So f/8 AF works in live view but not viewfinder?
I unfortunately am known to chase after birds and love shooting them in flight. THAT can get quite expensive in Canon land. I'll try the Kenko 2x TC on the 70-200 MkII, which fortunately has fabulous IS, AF, and MTF to burn, hopefully all enough to compensate for 2x TC effects. It already works great with 1.4x TC..

I have the 70-200 f2.8 IS and the Canon 2x II extender. I have to say that I was quite impressed with both the IQ and the speed of the AF. To be honest when I bought the extender I really was expecting the worst, but ended up being very happy.

 

[Mike Miami]

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I have the 70-200 f2.8 IS and the Canon 2x II extender. I have to say that I was quite impressed with both the IQ and the speed of the AF. To be honest when I bought the extender I really was expecting the worst, but ended up being very happy.
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+1

 

[Jettatore]

You might consider some combination of lens + converter on a crop body camera rather than your very nice 5DIII, or just crop the images your 5DIII takes in post which is probably even better than using a crop body. Probably not the advice you want, but it might be worth jotting down some notes to see what combinations that would give you and in the end could likely cost you less than a 70-200 IS which was your suggested price range.

Something like getting a 2x converter plus a crop body, with your existing 70-200 brings you to a crop body equivalent of a 224-640 @5.6 for example. Again, using the same combination on your 5DIII and cropping the image to the same composition will probably produce comparable if not better results? Again probably not what you want, just a thought.

 

[briansquibb]

You might consider some combination of lens + converter on a crop body camera rather than your very nice 5DIII, or just crop the images your 5DIII takes in post which is probably even better than using a crop body. Probably not the advice you want, but it might be worth jotting down some notes to see what combinations that would give you and in the end could likely cost you less than a 70-200 IS which was your suggested price range.

Something like getting a 2x converter plus a crop body, with your existing 70-200 brings you to a crop body equivalent of a 224-640 @5.6 for example. Again, using the same combination on your 5DIII and cropping the image to the same composition will probably produce comparable if not better results? Again probably not what you want, just a thought.

I find the best converter being the 1.3 converter called the 1D4