A New Large Sensor PowerShot Coming [CR1]

[rico]

I pray that this camera has a superior EVF or competition beating viewfinder.

With the mirrorless sector going like gangbusters Canon is soo late to this party I hope they try and improve on what Fuji, Nikon, Ricoh, and the M4/3rds people are offering which is darn good.

You're Canon...it's time for an exciting new camera that is not a DSLR behemoth,

 

[c.d.embrey]

I pray that this camera has a superior EVF or competition beating viewfinder.

From the admin's original post. "It won’t have an OVF or EVF ..."

With the mirrorless sector going like gangbusters Canon is soo late to this party I hope they try and improve on what Fuji, Nikon, Ricoh, and the M4/3rds people are offering which is darn good.

You're Canon...it's time for an exciting new camera that is not a DSLR behemoth,

I feel the same. But I would NOT hold my breath

 

[bholliman]

I might be interested, if the price isn't too high. I currently have a S100 that I use as a back-up and pocketable camera for when I don't want to lug a DSLR and lens around, but want pictures better than my cell phone takes. I'd like to replace this with a P&S with larger sensor and good manual controls.

 

[infared]

I pray that this camera has a superior EVF or competition beating viewfinder.

From the admin's original post. "It won’t have an OVF or EVF ..."

With the mirrorless sector going like gangbusters Canon is soo late to this party I hope they try and improve on what Fuji, Nikon, Ricoh, and the M4/3rds people are offering which is darn good.

You're Canon...it's time for an exciting new camera that is not a DSLR behemoth,

I feel the same. But I would NOT hold my breath

TELL ME ABOUT IT,?.I love my Canon FF kit...it rocks..but when it comes to small POWERFUL cameras MFT has my vote and my money. I have no idea who would pay these absurd prices for the G series camera when you can own a kickass MFT for less than Canon's silly asking price for a small sensor camera with essentially no viewfinder. Arrogance is the only reason I see.
Now they have this new one coming with a larger sensor and are not even making a lame attempt to include a VF. They just eliminate it??? The M release has no VF or option for one and also has antique AF... I think Canon needs to scrap all of the above and introduce one compact meaningful mirrorless product line...They are a mess in this area.

 

[verysimplejason]

Mirrorless FF with interchangeable lens. Please Canon...

 

[dslrdummy]

I'm very happy with my RX100 with its zeiss 1.8 zoom thanks.

 

[privatebydesign]

I'm very happy with my RX100 with its zeiss 1.8 zoom thanks.

That would be a 28mm-100mm f4.9-f13.2 equivalent, hardly anything to get very excited about.

 

[Lee Jay]

What is a short zoom? Are we talking about a narrow zoom range or a short focal length?

Something like. 24-70 or something like 16-35? (Equivalents).

 

[wickidwombat]

Canon needs it. I have the SL1 right now and it is actually smaller than I thought with pretty good quality. Paired it up with the 40mm f/2.8 pancake and it works nicely. However, I still long for that Fuji X100s. It just looks unbelievable. Take a look at those High ISO files too, Amazing. You can download the RAW files from the review at: http://learningcameras.com/reviews/9-other/137-fuji-x100s-review

Canon should be able to do this if they wanted to although I'm wishing for a viewfinder. Big help on the Fuji so I'd like it there unless it means a way bigger camera.

thanks for the review
I'd be interested to see a head to head review vs the sony rx1

just some feedback
- these reviews have improved light years from when they started - good job
- I particularly like how you are integrating close ups more and more of features buttons screens etc while talking and not having such long period of the video just focused on the speaker.
- more cut in's of images is good to show things
- still not quite there yet though there is still too much screen time of the dude juggling the camera or lens or whatever from hand to hand, this is just not interesting to watch for too long and it gets boring really quick.
- you had a crazy exposure change half way through this one
- wearing sunglasses is annoying especially with so much time of the view on the speaker.
- maybe make the reviews more dynamic, move around I think having a seperate person to take the vid my make it more interesting rather than the selfie style video.
- some features weren't mentioned x-sync speed?

but overall good information and good to see these reviews improving

 

[c.d.embrey]

I'm very happy with my RX100 with its zeiss 1.8 zoom thanks.

That would be a 28mm-100mm f4.9-f13.2 equivalent, hardly anything to get very excited about.

F/1.8 is ALWAYS f/1.8!! Some people are more interested in shooting in Low Light than having oh-so-trendy paper-thin DOF. YMMV.

 

[dslrdummy]

I'm very happy with my RX100 with its zeiss 1.8 zoom thanks.

That would be a 28mm-100mm f4.9-f13.2 equivalent, hardly anything to get very excited about.

Yeah, well, for excitement I'll just have to settle for my 70-200 2.8 ii on a FF. But for something that will fit in my pocket and take reasonable pics virtually anywhere, the Sony's not bad. Have you tried it?

 

[Rienzphotoz]

Sounds to me like Canon is in Panic Mode. Lots of new cameras No-One is asking for. First the lack-luster M without an EVF, and now an APS-C Super Zoom (without an EVF). Keep throwing things at the wall, something will stick ... Yeah Right!!

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[funkboy]

The concept is very nice; a potential competitor for the RX1 and other large-sensor compacts.

But I question the accuracy of the rumor that states that the sensor will be APS-C. In a one-piece compact I think the sensor is much more likely to be the same format as the G1X, if not the same unit (at the very least I'd think it would include phase-detect AF on-chip like their other new sensors).

The whole point of using the "APS-C with the sides chopped off" sensor in the G1X was to be able to use a much smaller lens than possible with a 3:2 format sensor, as a lot less of the image circle of the lens is "wasted" (i.e. doesn't land on pixels) in close-to-square format sensors (like μ4/3 & G1X). Somewhat smaller sensor, much smaller lens.

The other reason I think they wouldn't go full APS-C for such a camera is simple: is there really much difference between this concept and simply releasing a short fast large-aperture zoom for the EOS-M system (perhaps along with an "enthusiast" body)? The sensor size would be the same, there's no mirror box or backward compatibility to worry about so it's not like the size of the lens would be much different vs. a one-piece compact. Panasonic's "power zoom" lenses have proven that there doesn't have to be much size discrepancy for interchangeables vs. built-in lenses.

 

[privatebydesign]

I'm very happy with my RX100 with its zeiss 1.8 zoom thanks.

That would be a 28mm-100mm f4.9-f13.2 equivalent, hardly anything to get very excited about.

F/1.8 is ALWAYS f/1.8!! Some people are more interested in shooting in Low Light than having oh-so-trendy paper-thin DOF. YMMV.

Me:100mm f13.2; You: "oh-so-trendy paper-thin DOF" Hmm, methinks we have different ideas completely with regards dof. Besides, if low light is your muse, why use a camera with a 2.6 times worse noise factor?

I'm very happy with my RX100 with its zeiss 1.8 zoom thanks.

That would be a 28mm-100mm f4.9-f13.2 equivalent, hardly anything to get very excited about.

Yeah, well, for excitement I'll just have to settle for my 70-200 2.8 ii on a FF. But for something that will fit in my pocket and take reasonable pics virtually anywhere, the Sony's not bad. Have you tried it?

No, but I wasn't trying to make a big point about an f1.8 P&S, I have a G10 I hardly use, why would I buy another equally limited sensor sized camera?

 

[SwampYankee]

Same old 18GB sensor?

You clearly didn't read the first post ...

I'm sure it's just a variation of the same , tired, old, 18 GB sensor that is in so many of their cameras. If they really had anything new do you think they would debut it in a powershot? Why not the the 70 or 7D? The sensor will grade out the same, nothing new here. Sensor innovation is not coming from Canon. Have you seen what Nikon and Sony are putting out in this sensor size? For less money?

 

[Lee Jay]

F/1.8 is ALWAYS f/1.8!! Some people are more interested in shooting in Low Light than having oh-so-trendy paper-thin DOF. YMMV.

So, my compact starts at f/2. Is f/2 on my compact just as good in low-light as f/2 on my 5D? Nope! The 5D has the same noise at ISO 3200 as my compact does at ISO 200. So I can really shoot at 16 times faster shutter speed with the 5D at f/2 compared to my compact at f/2 if I want the same image quality.

So not all f/2's are equal!

 

[sanj]

Same old 18GB sensor?

You clearly didn't read the first post ...

Seems correct.
I'm sure it's just a variation of the same , tired, old, 18 GB sensor that is in so many of their cameras. If they really had anything new do you think they would debut it in a powershot? Why not the the 70 or 7D? The sensor will grade out the same, nothing new here. Sensor innovation is not coming from Canon. Have you seen what Nikon and Sony are putting out in this sensor size? For less money?

yes they would,because new design sensor with smaller pixels starts with compact size sensors for Canon, and for others as Sony, Omnivision, Aptina etc even smaller sensors as the mobile phones where the big innovations and research are today and when they have equipment that is accurate enough so they can expose a larger sensor area in one step so that manufacturing pays off then begins the manufacture of larger sensors.

 

[eric_ykchan]

Lots of new cameras No-One is asking for.

+1

 

[sanj]

Lots of new cameras No-One is asking for.

+1

Huh? I am asking for it. I believe I am someone.

 

[KyleSTL]

I'm very happy with my RX100 with its zeiss 1.8 zoom thanks.

That would be a 28mm-100mm f4.9-f13.2 equivalent, hardly anything to get very excited about.

F/1.8 is ALWAYS f/1.8!! Some people are more interested in shooting in Low Light than having oh-so-trendy paper-thin DOF. YMMV.

+1

I think DOF equivilents are important, but they are not everything. I would venture to say a modern 1" sensor good results at ISO 800 (similar to an APS-C sensor from 3 or 4 generations back), and a modern 1/1.7" sensor (like the BSI-CMOS in the S110) likely gives acceptable results at ISO 400 (similar to an APS-C 4 to 5 generations back).

In a given era different sized sensors will never be able to compete against each other, but looking back you might be able to get the same image quality from an S110 @ ISO 400 & f/2.0 as a 10D or 20D at the same ISO and aperture (and have all the modern features of a new camera and many more MP to boot).

The same could probably be said for a RX100 @ ISO 800 & f/1.8 and a 30D or 40D.

Depth of field does not an image make.