A Rundown of EOS 7D Mark II Information

Canon Rumors said:
<p>This is a small rundown of what we know and can publish about the EOS 7D Mark II (If that’s what it’s called).</p>
<ul>
<li>Full metal body (EOS-1 build quality)</li>
<li>EOS-1 style top plate</li>
<li><b>New sensor technology (multi layer)</b></li>
<li>No Wifi built-in</li>
<li>Not touch screen, super durable LCD cover</li>
<li><b>12fps shooting (or faster)</b></li>
<li><b>Dual Pixel AF</b></li>
<li>New AF system</li>
</ul>

Hmm...dunno about the bolded ones. Let's assume Canon does move to a multi-layer sensor, and that the megapixel counts we've heard in the past are true. That puts the total photodiode count at 24*3 (if it's a three-layer sensor), or 24*5 (if it's their new five-layer sensor design, with the additional layers for dealing with facial spots and the like...I think this is unlikely, the five-layer sensor sounds like a studio camera thing, so would probably find it's way into the bigMP FF camera.) At 24*3, the total readable photodiode count (excluding DPAF) would be 72 million. If you factor in DPAF, that becomes 144 million.

Now, throw in the frame rate. At 14-bit, 72 million photodiodes is a total of 126megs of data PER FRAME. Actually, if we assume an increase of 7-10% in the pixel count for the masked border pixels, were actually talking about 77-79 million photodiodes, which comes out to 138.6meg of data PER FRAME. When we factor in a frame rate of 12fps, throw in some overhead, were talking about at least 1.7GB/s data throughput. Double that, for DPAF, and were talking about nearly 3.5GB/s data throughput for an AF read.

Dunno...the 1D X with dual DIGIC5+ gets 500MB/s data throughput in total. For Canon to jump from 500MB/s to 3.5GB/s in two years...seems far fetched to me.

So that means one of a few things. First, the "total" photodiode count could be around 24 million, which really means the sensor is a mere EIGHT MEGAPIXELS!! That's it! A measly 8mp! I have a hard time believing that, it doesn't make any sense. I think Sigma has done a grave disservice to Foveon by trying to upsell it as something it's not with their ludicrous megapixel counts...they have a 46megaphotodiode sensor in a 15megapixel camera. I at least hope Canon wouldn't stoop to the same misleading marketing for their own layered sensor.

So, if the camera isn't a measly 8mp APS-C sensor, then something else has to give. I could see Canon jumping from 500MB/s throughoput to ~1.5GB/s throughput. That seems more reasonable to me. In that case, I don't see DPAF being included, and the sensor megapixel count would probably be a little lower than 24mp.

The third option is simply that the sensor is NOT a layered sensor. The most likely option is that the sensor is 24mp bayer, with some kind of new and improved, more advanced, more accurate DPAF system that is tied into the same central AF logic that drives the lens from the dedicated PDAF unit (as per the recent patent that was posted here on CR.) That would be an improvement, it would certainly support 12fps (or more), although with DPAF, 12fps requires double the throughput. This still seems like the most likely option, though.

Still no information on whether Canon has moved to a better fabrication process, so who knows there.
 
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AvTvM said:
"Serious" videographers should not clamor for freaking video-optimized crap in stills cameras, especially not in DSLRS with a mirror in the lightpath. They should go buy a panasonic GH4 if they are poor or a Sony A7S if they want "full frame/shallow DOF" or a canon C-something if they want a video-optimized camera or if they really dont mind the mirror and want FF plus 4k, then a canon EOS 1D-C ... if they are not so poor. An APS-C DSLR is by its very nature the least suitable video-recording device. So stay away from it.

I hope the 7D successor comes without any video-recording capabilities whatsoever. A lean and mean STILLS machine.

Oh puhlease ... that battle is so dead. Video is here to stay in DSLR's, and most of us are happy to have both. As has been said a bajillion times: if you don't like video, don't use it.
 
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Etienne said:
AvTvM said:
"Serious" videographers should not clamor for freaking video-optimized crap in stills cameras, especially not in DSLRS with a mirror in the lightpath. They should go buy a panasonic GH4 if they are poor or a Sony A7S if they want "full frame/shallow DOF" or a canon C-something if they want a video-optimized camera or if they really dont mind the mirror and want FF plus 4k, then a canon EOS 1D-C ... if they are not so poor. An APS-C DSLR is by its very nature the least suitable video-recording device. So stay away from it.

I hope the 7D successor comes without any video-recording capabilities whatsoever. A lean and mean STILLS machine.

Oh puhlease ... that battle is so dead. Video is here to stay in DSLR's, and most of us are happy to have both. As has been said a bajillion times: if you don't like video, don't use it.

I agree. The "mirror in the lightpath" comment is laughable, too...the mirror flips up and stays up when your doing any video recording, so there is no "mirror in the light path" when your actually recording video. Etienne is absolutely right. DSLR Video is now an endemic feature, it's everywhere, it's been here for a long time, and it isn't going anywhere. I don't use it much, but I have used it on occasion, and if I don't want to use it...I simply don't have to. The video features don't get in the way of doing still photography.

The only complaint I have is that it seems Canon has focused far more on video features lately than overall IQ features. That bugs me, but it really isn't fundamentally an argument against video in DSLRs. It's just an argument against the amount of effort Canon is putting into video-specific features (like DPAF) instead of working on improving IQ in every way possible (which is what their competitors are doing...and whether it's changed the marketscape yet or not, it is CERTAINLY causing people to look elsewhere other than Canon for better IQ.)
 
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AvTvM said:
I hope the 7D successor comes without any video-recording capabilities whatsoever. A lean and mean STILLS machine.
+1,..I agree. I know a lot of users are wanting some video improvements/specs,…but I would like to see improved IQ for stills. Over the past 7-8 years I haven’t used video at all,…that’s just me. I had a 7D and sold it. It was a light hungry body and noisy as the ISOs were pushed. I loved everything else about it though. I’m very interested what come out!
 
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Sporgon said:
raptor3x said:
The Nikon D800 (and I think D300s) have the same internal build quality as the 1D/D4 type cameras, aside from the improved sealing.

What's your source for this information ?

I'm curious as well...

It probably also depends on how you define 'build quality'. Most of the higher end bodies have a magnesium alloy chassis and a polycarbonate shell. I believe what distinguishes the 1-series bodies, aside from materials, are tighter manufacturing tolerances.
 
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Dylan777 said:
If this rumor spec is true, I can't wait what Canon has to offer on 5D 4 & 1Dx II ::)

Canon 1DX II will have Quad DIGIC 17+ CPUs with 50 FPS on a 10 layer 100MP FF sensor. Infinite triple cross point * Auto Focus with Retina control like the old Elan 7E I still have. Video Recording at SD, HD, 4k, 8k, and Hologram HD with full 13.3 surround sound. Will come with three bags of French Roast but will not include coffee filters. Automatic ass wiper optional as is the interchangeable Medium Format sensor for an extra $15,000

MSRP $Your House and First Born
 
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East Wind Photography said:
bseitz234 said:
candyman said:
bseitz234 said:
man, if half of that spec list comes true, and the launch price is $2k or less, I'm going to have a hard time waiting for refurbs to show up...


With the few rumored specs here this may be top of the line camera with an APS-C sensor that will target semi-pro and pro. My expectation is that the price will be in the same league as the 5D MKIII at launch.

When it was launched, though, the original 7D was exactly that, was it not? And it was $1799? Not saying it couldn't be as much as the 5d3, just that I don't think it necessarily will. I'm certainly not counting on $2k, but I'll be disappointed if it's north of $2500. Time will tell!

A couple of things that have been leaked will likely send this camera into the 4K range:

EOS 1 build quality
EOS 1DX type features

Those two bits of info are far better than the 7D ever was and while it comes close to the 5D3, the EOS 1 build quality will definitely demand a premium. Consider this in the price range of the 1DIV with an inflation adjustment.

I'm guessing 3500 to 4200 for the body and leaning toward the upper end just because Canon will start out milking us for the R&D costs up front as they always do.

Except that the 1DX (and 5D4) will be coming out in Q1 of 2015. So using the old 1DX features as a guide for pricing is probably going to lead you down the wrong path.
 
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roxics said:
I don't want to hear anything else until it includes 4K internal video recording, less moire and a headphone jack. Among other things.

As far as I'm concerned (and I'm going to sound like a jerk to some people by saying this) photo featues don't need anymore improvement. We've had awesome stills cameras for the last five years and if you can't take a good picture with one of those than you suck as a photographer. It is video functionality that Canon is seriously lacking behind on compared to its competitors.

The original 7D was the first of the Canon cames to features it's now standard video functionality that made its way into every other Canon camera. I expect the 7DmkII to usher in the new standard for Canon video functionality.

Yup. If it doesn't have 4K video and video friendly tools I won't be getting one, since I am perfectly happy with the stills my current DSLR produces. I want a camera that performs all my imaging needs with a high level of capability. Any high end camera that does not have 4K capability is a Dodo IMO.
 
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Sporgon said:
raptor3x said:
The Nikon D800 (and I think D300s) have the same internal build quality as the 1D/D4 type cameras, aside from the improved sealing.

What's your source for this information ?

There was a discussion about this on FM recently. The D800, and I believe the D300s as well but I'm taking other people's word on this one, has a full magnesium skeleton and mirror box similar to the 1D/D4 series.

nikon_D800_Mgbody_800.JPG


The 5D series, however, has a stainless steel chassis with a composite mirror box as shown by Roger Cicala for the 5D3 or the 5D technician service manual that's floating around.

IMG_0009sml.jpg


Not that this actually means better or worse as there are reports on FM of the D800 being more susceptible to fall damage than the 5Ds.
 
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neuroanatomist said:
Sporgon said:
raptor3x said:
The Nikon D800 (and I think D300s) have the same internal build quality as the 1D/D4 type cameras, aside from the improved sealing.

What's your source for this information ?

I'm curious as well...

It probably also depends on how you define 'build quality'. Most of the higher end bodies have a magnesium alloy chassis and a polycarbonate shell. I believe what distinguishes the 1-series bodies, aside from materials, are tighter manufacturing tolerances.

I don't know anything about how the tolerances vary between bodies or brands so I can't really speak to that. What I can say though, is out of all the cameras that I've owned/borrowed/rented if I had to beat someone to death I'd reach for a 1DX or maybe 1D2n before anything else.
 
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candyman said:
dstppy said:
I'm gonna stab a guess and say it's going to be $2799 MSRP

Followed by 8-10 threads of "7Dmk2 or 5Dmk3, help me decide!" :D


Fllowed by 8-10 threads "why is the 7D mk2 so expensive?" ;D


If it doesn't street for close to $2000, I think it's a wounded duck for Canon sales. If Canon does try to pop early adopters over $2500, I dont think it lasts very long. They need to have this puppy moving by Black Friday. $1999 street prices.
 
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neuroanatomist said:
raptor3x said:
The 5D series, however, has a stainless steel chassis...

So Canon's own image on the Canon USA page for the 5DIII is just a flat out lie?

5d_marklll_feature_06a.jpg

Not a lie, but it's showing the magnesium shell. That shell is attached to a composite/stainless steel skeleton whereas the Nikon has a magnesium skeleton throughout. The lens mount, for example, is mounted to the composite mirror box. My suspicion is that the shell is largely structural, especially around the mount area as there's a lip on the lens mount that mates with the magnesium shell, but I don't have any good way to demonstrate that without taking my 5D3 apart. If you read Roger's article you can see how it's all put together.
 
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Marauder said:
justawriter said:
I'll be waiting on this one, not because of specs, but because my finances dictate that I won't be replacing my 7D until early 2016. I should be up to 110K exposures by then, which seems like a good point to make it may backup body. Who knows, maybe by that time Canon will have come out with a 50MP camera with a built in coffeemaker and a unicorn for $500. ;D
In any event, it looks like I will have to have plenty of napkins on hand to wipe away the drool for the next 18 months.

Built in coffeemaker AND a unicorn! Bet it also makes rainbow flavoured popcorn! Sign me up! LOL ::)

If it comes with a unicorn OR rainbow flavored popcorn, I would be ready to pay up to 3500$. Otherwise, I'll stick to my 60D.
 
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