Another EOS-1D X Mark II Spec List [CR2]

[LetTheRightLensIn]

It will most likely still be only as "clean" as what you get out of a 5D3 now or any other DSLR Canon makes, which still has some layer of processing on it compared to, say, Alphas. Sure the Atomos or Odyssey can do ProRes, but if the output still has that "Waxy" look people tend to compare DSLRs with, then it's not as nice. I don't believe you're going to get a "clean" output like you do on the C300.

Yeah this is much more in line with what I've been thinking. Taking that 24MP count up from the t6i, making it FF and DPAF. Even 20MP DPAF (FF flavor of the 7D2) would be fine. Obviously they need to maintain this camera as fast action light monster. Digic 7 was a given. No news there. 15fps, right where it should be. Someone said stronger base plate? Probably? But the all motor mirror of the 5DS? Doubt it. I would think that system, while far quieter and less vibration causing, is also much slower. A spring loaded return seems faster, and 24 MP isn't nearly as sensitive to motion blur as 50MP, so is it really necessary?

I'm sure they're going to find a way to stick in WiFi and GPS. It's the 1DX2. And no, you aren't going to get the same codec as their C300 for 4k but you will get the senor technology from it.

If it supports external recording via clean HDMI, then the recorder can use ProRes as the codec.

Have you used an Atomos? I have with the 5DIII and the Ninja 2. I have never experienced the "waxy" look. The video is sharp and clear and it is at 4:2:2. I have mixed this video with that from the C100 being externally recorded in the same manner and it is impossible to tell which is which once the grading is done.

The only Canon cameras that support clean HDMI out, during recording, to my knowledge are the 5DIII and the 7DII. That is a lot different than recording internally and then using the HDMI port to send the video to an external monitor.

Is HDMI out on the 5DIII sharper than internally recorded? Some people say that the 5DIII is not really 1080p in sharpness, but only about 720p.
If the Atomos 4:2:2 gets a sharper image as well as better color, I'd use it. What is your experience? Any links or reviews on this?

External recording on the Atomos is 4:2:2 and one of the codecs is ProRes HQ at 220 Mpbs. The 5DIII records internally at 4:2:0 with the H.264 codec. There's tons of links and reviews, just a little Googling will find it. IMO sharpness is mostly dependent on the quality of the lens.

I was under the impression that the 5D3 video processing didn't deliver the full 1080p resolution. If that's true then the Atomos won't improve sharpness, just color. Which is ok, but if it improves both then that's much better
Can't get a definitive answer on this anywhere.

5D3 is just as waxy with Ninja2 as with using internal recording. If you whip the camera around so that the entire scene changes across the entire frame every frame then the Ninja2 helps a lot with compression (at least compared to one of the internal modes). Some of the channel clipping seemed a little odd with the HDMI out.

Personally the Ninja2 didn't do much for the 5D3 IMO.

If someone doesn't think the 5D3 internal regular video isn't a little bit soft and waxy then just compare it to RAW video from ML, you get so much more detail it's crazy or compare it to something else that delivers decent detail without having to go RAW or use hacks.

So as far as a soft, smushy using the 5D3:
internal native - yes
external with Ninja2 or anything else - yes
internal using ML RAW - no

the camera itself can produce nicely detailed video (if you are willing to struggle with RAW video and you use ML, the 5D3 produces some pretty fine 1080Pand the RAW makes the grading rather nice, way nicer than pretty much the other DSLR give for HD, using ML RAW the 5D3 does produce some rather fine HD video quality indeed, ML basically turned the 5D3 from rather an IQ disappointment for video to the easy class leader, again you have to be willing and able to deal with the issues of RAW video though) but either they program it to mush it off to protect their $$$ stuff or the DIGIC chips simply utterly stink at processing high quality images (do note that in the first Cxx cameras even though the DV DIGIC was rather old at that time they still used that chip instead of a newer regular DIGIC).

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

...If Canon does come out with 14+ stops of DR, what new "critical" topic will people move on to in order to hate Canon...

Having been through a number of these debates with previous generations of Canons, I'm quite certain the trolls will find something to fixate on.

I seem to recall many of the 'trolls' praising Canon like mad back in the early days of DSLRs.

 

[kevl]

If the 1DX II does have 4K 60fps (2K 120fps), I will buy it (although it's an outdated product not being mirrorless, and limited in functionality sadly not having a swivel screen). If it does have 4K 25fps only, i stick with my 1DC, A7R2 and A7S2.

Canon did present the 1DC with 4K and 25fps in 2012 - if they think that their flagship DSLR will work with the same specs until the year 2020, they are wrong. By 2017 Sony will have destroyed their business if they don't wake up and come around with some better specs as well.

LMFAO!!!

I love it! EVERY YEAR since 2009 Sony and MILC have been going to end Canon's business. Every year! And here we are. I love it! This stuff never gets old. Then in 2017 when it still hasn't happened there will be something else about Sony and MILC that is going to end Canon's business. Keep it coming!

Stupid comment. Nobody said that in former years, but the industry developments of the last 6-18 months dramatically changed the landscape. And I know from insider sources that a lot of people at Canon and Nikon are nervous, who always have been relaxed for many years. As owner of 100+x expensive Canon products it's also the last thing that I wish. This is the only reason why i write in such a forum, to help a bit to make the company WAKE UP.

Dude it is a flagship professional sports camera. NO ONE will be shooting the Olympics professionally with a mirrorless camera because if they did they would miss most every shot. There will be a sea of 1DX II bodies there however.

The truth is that the mirrorless bodies aren't even ready for wedding work let alone for sports. Believe me I have tried to convince myself I could replace my Canon stuff with Sony and I just can't. The reality is if you're a pro shooting in anything other than a controlled enviornment your primary body is going to have a mirror in it or you're going to miss shots.

Mirrorless bodies have lots of features that are fantastic but they are meaningless if the design of the camera means you're going to miss shots. The 1Dx is not a studio camera, it is a sports camera. It will almost certainly be the absolute best sports camera in the world when it is released. I can't imagine the current basic design of mirrorless bodies ever being able to challenge it.

 

[expatinasia]

If the 1DX II does have 4K 60fps (2K 120fps), I will buy it (although it's an outdated product not being mirrorless, and limited in functionality sadly not having a swivel screen). If it does have 4K 25fps only, i stick with my 1DC, A7R2 and A7S2.

Canon did present the 1DC with 4K and 25fps in 2012 - if they think that their flagship DSLR will work with the same specs until the year 2020, they are wrong. By 2017 Sony will have destroyed their business if they don't wake up and come around with some better specs as well.

LMFAO!!!

I love it! EVERY YEAR since 2009 Sony and MILC have been going to end Canon's business. Every year! And here we are. I love it! This stuff never gets old. Then in 2017 when it still hasn't happened there will be something else about Sony and MILC that is going to end Canon's business. Keep it coming!

Stupid comment. Nobody said that in former years, but the industry developments of the last 6-18 months dramatically changed the landscape. And I know from insider sources that a lot of people at Canon and Nikon are nervous, who always have been relaxed for many years. As owner of 100+x expensive Canon products it's also the last thing that I wish. This is the only reason why i write in such a forum, to help a bit to make the company WAKE UP.

Dude it is a flagship professional sports camera. NO ONE will be shooting the Olympics professionally with a mirrorless camera because if they did they would miss most every shot. There will be a sea of 1DX II bodies there however.

The truth is that the mirrorless bodies aren't even ready for wedding work let alone for sports. Believe me I have tried to convince myself I could replace my Canon stuff with Sony and I just can't. The reality is if you're a pro shooting in anything other than a controlled enviornment your primary body is going to have a mirror in it or you're going to miss shots.

Mirrorless bodies have lots of features that are fantastic but they are meaningless if the design of the camera means you're going to miss shots. The 1Dx is not a studio camera, it is a sports camera. It will almost certainly be the absolute best sports camera in the world when it is released. I can't imagine the current basic design of mirrorless bodies ever being able to challenge it.

I sort of agree with douglaurent.

I was shooting an international sports event earlier this month and for the first time ever the guy sat next to me had a Sony with a white Sony lens attached. Nearly everyone else was Canon or Nikon, but Sony is being discussed on the sidelines more and more.

Frankly, the do not yet have the right gear, but it seems to be a market they are looking at and it seems to appeal - especially to the younger generation (of which there seems to be a lot of these days :'( ).

 

[tpatana]

One thing I'd like regarding the rear LCD is an auto-rotate.

Something wrong with the current auto-rotate?

 

[tpatana]

any price predictions?

Purely a guess, but I think it will be between US$ 6,000 - 7,000.

Not sure I see the benefit of a "slightly larger LCD".

Perhaps that will allow a new function to be shown the LCD or simply a marketing hype. Probably the latter.

What's wrong with a larger LCD? Really, that's a negative?

Not negative (not articulated yet better for movie shooters, at least) but for 1DX2 I'd rather be hearing "Slightly smaller (and lighter) Body", now seems it will just be same as current. As for just how much "slightly larger", making room for LCD could well eliminate back lower buttons - which leads to touchscreen (unlikely) - or just make use of the space of the Canon logo (pic). But that's pure speculation at this point.

Umm. No, please.

A: Size. It's perfect. If you want smaller, 5D-series is your choice. Keep 1D series body at 1D size.

B: Buttons. Why in earth would you remove buttons? They all are there for a reason.

Only item I'd prefer to see removed is the funny small display at the bottom. Only time I look there is when I'm switching between cards. So that real-estate space could be saved and/or used for something else. Like GPS+Wifi -antenna.

 

[Mr1Dx]

24MP is good news. Much prefer 80 all cross + dual cross AF points. Faster 14-15fps with soft focus is worthless. Current fps is fast enough for most shooting.

Current body size is good. Weight reduction is welcome.

 

[expatinasia]

Only item I'd prefer to see removed is the funny small display at the bottom. Only time I look there is when I'm switching between cards. So that real-estate space could be saved and/or used for something else. Like GPS+Wifi -antenna.

Nice idea. I like to know when I am shooting to Card 1 or Card 2 and also when I have moved from one to the other as it is full, but that info could easily be put into the viewfinder.

 

[Loswr]

Canon did present the 1DC with 4K and 25fps in 2012 - if they think that their flagship DSLR will work with the same specs until the year 2020, they are wrong. By 2017 Sony will have destroyed their business if they don't wake up and come around with some better specs as well.

YAPODFC. :

 

[bdunbar79]

I don't agree with the sales crap. Let's face it. There aren't specs, it's just a single spec. That pesky low ISO DR. For almost 4 years now I've been told that Canon is doomed. First it was Nikon then it was Sony. And here we are today. Nikon hasn't gained on Canon and neither has Sony, at least according to CIPA. Yet month after month Canon is surely doomed, yet there is no evidence at all to support that. The only evidence I see is Canon's market leadership. The only thing the 1Dx II will do to the A7RII is what the 5D3 did to the D8x0: stomp it in sales.

 

[bdunbar79]

I shoot 4-5 sports events every week. I've not once seen any other brand than Canon or Nikon. I've never seen a MILC. The only models I mainly see are 1Dx's and D4's and of course some D750's and 5D3's. I've never seen anything else on Big Ten and MAC sidelines.

 

[deleteme]

It will most likely still be only as "clean" as what you get out of a 5D3 now or any other DSLR Canon makes, which still has some layer of processing on it compared to, say, Alphas. Sure the Atomos or Odyssey can do ProRes, but if the output still has that "Waxy" look people tend to compare DSLRs with, then it's not as nice. I don't believe you're going to get a "clean" output like you do on the C300.

Yeah this is much more in line with what I've been thinking. Taking that 24MP count up from the t6i, making it FF and DPAF. Even 20MP DPAF (FF flavor of the 7D2) would be fine. Obviously they need to maintain this camera as fast action light monster. Digic 7 was a given. No news there. 15fps, right where it should be. Someone said stronger base plate? Probably? But the all motor mirror of the 5DS? Doubt it. I would think that system, while far quieter and less vibration causing, is also much slower. A spring loaded return seems faster, and 24 MP isn't nearly as sensitive to motion blur as 50MP, so is it really necessary?

I'm sure they're going to find a way to stick in WiFi and GPS. It's the 1DX2. And no, you aren't going to get the same codec as their C300 for 4k but you will get the senor technology from it.

If it supports external recording via clean HDMI, then the recorder can use ProRes as the codec.

Have you used an Atomos? I have with the 5DIII and the Ninja 2. I have never experienced the "waxy" look. The video is sharp and clear and it is at 4:2:2. I have mixed this video with that from the C100 being externally recorded in the same manner and it is impossible to tell which is which once the grading is done.

The only Canon cameras that support clean HDMI out, during recording, to my knowledge are the 5DIII and the 7DII. That is a lot different than recording internally and then using the HDMI port to send the video to an external monitor.

Is HDMI out on the 5DIII sharper than internally recorded? Some people say that the 5DIII is not really 1080p in sharpness, but only about 720p.
If the Atomos 4:2:2 gets a sharper image as well as better color, I'd use it. What is your experience? Any links or reviews on this?

There is a lot of discussion about getting fabulous video from a $6-7 camera originally designed for stills. It seems that at this price point traditional video cameras would offer fewer compromises to the entire video experience.

 

[CG photography]

I have been solidly in the 5d series camp for several generations. I have a trip planned to Africa next summer, and would be willing to upgrade for a camera with these specs. The 5dsr (which I have) is a great camera, but frame rate and low light performance, which are prerequisites for safari, are not its high points. What do you guys think the chances are that this thing will be available by summer 2016?

 

[9VIII]

Well, it was fun while it lasted.
14+ stops of DR on a CR2 rumor about a Canon flagship body, I guess that ends the DR wars of 2012-2015.

Meanwhile in the Nikon & Sony meeting room:
https://imgflip.com/readImage?iid=922147

LoL.. I wish it was true!

We've always known the reason for the discrepancy is that Canon has been reluctant to upgrade their sensor fabs. If they change that then all bets are off.

http://www.sensorgen.info/NikonD4s.html
Really this is no laughing matter for Nikon, the D4 never had a significant lead in this area so unless the D5 gets the same sort of upgrade they're going to be on the losing end of this argument.

 

[clicstudio]

Soon, please!
Can't wait!

 

[H. Jones]

I shoot 4-5 sports events every week. I've not once seen any other brand than Canon or Nikon. I've never seen a MILC. The only models I mainly see are 1Dx's and D4's and of course some D750's and 5D3's. I've never seen anything else on Big Ten and MAC sidelines.

At one of the recent NCAA basketball games I shot this past week I saw someone with a press pass and a spot under the basket taking pictures with a cheap-looking Sony point and shoot.. That counts as a Sony mirrorless camera, right? It was so funny watching him hold the screen in front of his face trying to get an action shot. Really have no clue where he was from, since the game was live on ESPN and they were very strict about court access.

 

[MintChocs]

At one of the recent NCAA basketball games I shot this past week I saw someone with a press pass and a spot under the basket taking pictures with a cheap-looking Sony point and shoot.. That counts as a Sony mirrorless camera, right? It was so funny watching him hold the screen in front of his face trying to get an action shot. Really have no clue where he was from, since the game was live on ESPN and they were very strict about court access.

Well TV stations and newspapers have started laying off photographers and cameramen so it's possible they gave a reporter a MILC and said take a few pictures for the article! ;D

 

[Maximilian]

At one of the recent NCAA basketball games I shot this past week I saw someone with a press pass and a spot under the basket taking pictures with a cheap-looking Sony point and shoot.. That counts as a Sony mirrorless camera, right? It was so funny watching him hold the screen in front of his face trying to get an action shot. Really have no clue where he was from, since the game was live on ESPN and they were very strict about court access.

Well TV stations and newspapers have started laying off photographers and cameramen so it's possible they gave a reporter a MILC and said take a few pictures for the article! ;D

Even worse:
They gave them smart phones and a photo crash course and that's it.
I couldn't find the article any more but I believe it was in spring this year.

 

[plam_1980]

CR guy, please tell us if we should expect an announcement before Christmas

 

[George D.]

any price predictions?

Purely a guess, but I think it will be between US$ 6,000 - 7,000.

Not sure I see the benefit of a "slightly larger LCD".

Perhaps that will allow a new function to be shown the LCD or simply a marketing hype. Probably the latter.

What's wrong with a larger LCD? Really, that's a negative?

Not negative (not articulated yet better for movie shooters, at least) but for 1DX2 I'd rather be hearing "Slightly smaller (and lighter) Body", now seems it will just be same as current. As for just how much "slightly larger", making room for LCD could well eliminate back lower buttons - which leads to touchscreen (unlikely) - or just make use of the space of the Canon logo (pic). But that's pure speculation at this point.

Umm. No, please.

A: Size. It's perfect. If you want smaller, 5D-series is your choice. Keep 1D series body at 1D size.

B: Buttons. Why in earth would you remove buttons? They all are there for a reason.

Only item I'd prefer to see removed is the funny small display at the bottom. Only time I look there is when I'm switching between cards. So that real-estate space could be saved and/or used for something else. Like GPS+Wifi -antenna.

The 1Dx is an amalgamation of two previously separate pro lines as follows:
1Ds MkIII: 1.20kg (body), 150x160x80 mm
1D MkIV: 1.20kg (body), 156x157x80 mm
1Dx: 1.34kg (body), 158x164x83 mm
It could be Slightly smaller and lighter like its predecessors. Even if made 1.20kg (-140gr) it's half the weight of an EF50/1.4 minus.


Edit: Come to think of it in this case the EF50/1.4 MkII can be made heavier up to 140gr to break even. Think about IS?