Are there 39mp & 50mp+ Test Bodies in the Wild? [CR1]

[Lee Jay]

Just curious, what would you require 46MP for?

Later cropping.

I've actually been asked to produce an 8x10 head-shot from a group photo after one of the people in the photo passed away later. That's some heavy cropping!

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

I shoot 500-1500 images at a time. I bought a D800, and after my first 500 image shoot, I was faced with days to process them, even with a fast pc and plenty of memory. A super pc might cut the time by 20%, but that would still not be something I'd want to face. The idea of buying a high mp camera only to use sraw seems silly to me. Eventually, computers may catchup, but for now, 50mp raw files would be for those who only take a few shots and want to spend a hour processing each one.

 

[RS2021]

Just curious, what would you require 46MP for?

Later cropping.

I've actually been asked to produce an 8x10 head-shot from a group photo after one of the people in the photo passed away later. That's some heavy cropping!

I hope Canon is not betting on that small and that specific a market. Its like betting on finding that 5'10" supermodel with all her teeth from Alabama not related to her Cousin in other ways

 

[Lee Jay]

Just curious, what would you require 46MP for?

Later cropping.

I've actually been asked to produce an 8x10 head-shot from a group photo after one of the people in the photo passed away later. That's some heavy cropping!

I hope Canon is not betting on that small and that specific a market. Its like betting on finding that 5'10" supermodel with all her teeth from Alabama not related to her Cousin in other ways

Oh, I've had that need a lot, and in lots of other ways as well. Some of it is engineering photography, where you can never have too much detail, and you aren't going to print any of the shots. Heck, I spent all last week shooting with a T2i and a 7D in situations where having this capability would have helped me a good bit.

 

[sanj]

Yeah, my computer is nearing the end of its life for today's heavy graphics work.

It's just a matter of time (of which you won't have any if you're a pro), but for the rest of us a slower computer is still ok - when rendering focus stacks I'll queue them and let it render overnight on my dual-core 2ghz laptop :->

Pls explain term "loop logic", it sounds cool!

:-> I looked up the real English term, it's "circular logic" - that's when the premise of a thesis is also the result.

An example is your thesis "amateurs don't need high mp cameras" - it cannot be disproven since there aren't any amateur high mp cameras (well, until the d800 that is, and that seems to sell), and the result of such a thesis (if adopted by Canon) is that there won't be any, apparently proving the thesis.

Thank you!

 

[TeenTog]

a second report from Asia about a camera well over 50mp

Thats crazy! I was expecting a camera with a MP count in the 40s range. However if they did release a camera that high, the would also need to make something in the middle, such as a 39er. However, the 50MP camera would put canon at the top pf the non-medium format camera manufacturer... unless its a medium format camera!

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Am happy that this is in the 1d style bodies. As I believe such hi mpx is for hi end use and pretty useless for general photographers.

you believe wrong, even for reach alone, that is huge, give it 32-40MP density and crop modes so as to not waste file space, and you'd toss a lot more detail onto reach limited wildlife shots and not fill up HDs any faster, for starters

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

By the way, I'm very unhappy they're 1D-style bodies, as I'd never own a body like that. I have very rare need for a portrait grip and don't want to carry one around all day when I don't need it. Further, the 1D bodies are too large for my hands. My 5D fits my hand like it was made for it.

+1

although keep in mind that they did stress they were just pure test bodies and the rumor could be entirely fake too

 

[hiplnsdrftr]

Obviously there are cases and assignments where 50mp would be beneficial...

the point is that they are rather specialized or few and far between.

For the shooters that need 50mp or think they need 50mp... go for it.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Forget 50mp... just let me swap out my 5d3 sensor for something with NO AA filter...

While Canon is at it... please play nice with Sony and Sigma and get us a 16DR with Foveon type non-bayerless 22mp sensor with 5d3 type high ISO performance.


Wake up... what a wet dream that was...

5D3 without AA filter would be pretty moire and aliased though no? it's only 20D photosite density

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

My question, as I'm not an optics expert, is once you get into that realm of 30+ (if not before), how many current EF lenses are going to be able to leverage that sensor fully?

keep in mind that the latest Rebel is like 48MP FF equivalent

 

[el bouv]

Counting pixels versus photosites could be confusing.
On an Foveon sensor you could count every pixel site a 3 effective pixels due to the stacked sensors.
So the mighty D800 with 36 MP could probably be a 12 MP Foveon sensor. Nikon has long had a use for 12 MP semsors.
In the same way Canon is stuck at 18 MP sensors so look out for a 54 MP Foveon type sensor from them.

 

[K-amps]

Counting pixels versus photosites could be confusing.
On an Foveon sensor you could count every pixel site a 3 effective pixels due to the stacked sensors.
So the mighty D800 with 36 MP could probably be a 12 MP Foveon sensor. Nikon has long had a use for 12 MP semsors.
In the same way Canon is stuck at 18 MP sensors so look out for a 54 MP Foveon type sensor from them.

It would seem that Bayer sensors have more spatial resolution than the stacked ones in Foveon (assuming you are X3'ing the foveon) .... I just like the rendition of the foveon colors has less artifacts and thus seems more pleasing... but in raw detail they are still a bit lacking than bayers...

 

[dlleno]

My question, as I'm not an optics expert, is once you get into that realm of 30+ (if not before), how many current EF lenses are going to be able to leverage that sensor fully?

keep in mind that the latest Rebel is like 48MP FF equivalent

I don't have the answer either, but the pixel density of the all the latest 18mp crop bodies will probably eclipse some EF lenses, not to mention field techniques and less-than-optimum support. Jrista has pointed out that with optically the best (arguably) lens known to man (the 300mm f/2.8) and a tripod he can extract all of that resolving power. Someone with a deep knowledge of optical resolving power will have to chime in on this topic, but PerfectSavage you are raising a good point which needs a more precise answer.

 

[K-amps]

Forget 50mp... just let me swap out my 5d3 sensor for something with NO AA filter...

While Canon is at it... please play nice with Sony and Sigma and get us a 16DR with Foveon type non-bayerless 22mp sensor with 5d3 type high ISO performance.


Wake up... what a wet dream that was...

5D3 without AA filter would be pretty moire and aliased though no? it's only 20D photosite density

True, if I was into shooting fabrics.

 

[K-amps]

"Foveon type non-bayerless"??

And, wouldn't it be playing dirty and competitive, rather than nice and friendly (which they effectively are now) with Sony and Sigma if they integrated 16-bit ADC with a layered sensor?

How the Folks far east; make love ; is no concern of mine

You are one weird dude. ???

Saving this Quote:

The next time you go accusing others of making personal attacks.

 

[dlleno]

for additional techical discussion on the topic of line pairs per mm and sensor resolving power, see this thread

http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=3393.0

in which Jrista reports that for the 116 lp/mm resolving power of the 18mp sensor itself, "The extremely high resolution of the 7D also means that outside of the best of the most recent Canon L-series lenses, namely Mark II's and new designs like the 8-15mm L Fisheye, the 7D is very likely outresolving most lenses except for their very centers" Sorry Jrista I yanked that out of the above thread without quoting properly.

so -- to me this means if you show Jrista a lens with less than 116 lp/mm resolving power in the center, at apertures that are abberation limited**, then he will show you a lens that is not capable of taking advantage of the 18mp sensor resolving power.

** means a limitation of the glass itself, i.e. not due to small apertures which introduce diffraction and futher loss of resolving power.

 

[jrista]

"Foveon type non-bayerless"??

And, wouldn't it be playing dirty and competitive, rather than nice and friendly (which they effectively are now) with Sony and Sigma if they integrated 16-bit ADC with a layered sensor?

How the Folks far east; make love ; is no concern of mine

You are one weird dude. ???

Saving this Quote:

The next time you go accusing others of making personal attacks.

Oh, I wasn't verbally mauling you or anything like that (I've been on the receiving end of that numerous times recently.) I was just making an observation, as I couldn't make heads or tails of your previous two posts.

Besides, weird ain't bad, its just weird. I'm ultra weird myself. ???

 

[K-amps]

"Foveon type non-bayerless"??

And, wouldn't it be playing dirty and competitive, rather than nice and friendly (which they effectively are now) with Sony and Sigma if they integrated 16-bit ADC with a layered sensor?

How the Folks far east; make love ; is no concern of mine

You are one weird dude. ???

Saving this Quote:

The next time you go accusing others of making personal attacks.

Oh, I wasn't verbally mauling you or anything like that (I've been on the receiving end of that numerous times recently.) I was just making an observation, as I couldn't make heads or tails of your previous two posts.

Besides, weird ain't bad, its just weird. I'm ultra weird myself. ???

It's cool, I was just having some fun myself.

When you said "Playing Dirty....." my mind wandered over to the Adult Anime section of the VHS rentals.... hence the quip I made. about love making in the east... now why I would expect anyone to make "that " connection

 

[jrista]

"Foveon type non-bayerless"??

And, wouldn't it be playing dirty and competitive, rather than nice and friendly (which they effectively are now) with Sony and Sigma if they integrated 16-bit ADC with a layered sensor?

How the Folks far east; make love ; is no concern of mine

You are one weird dude. ???

Saving this Quote:

The next time you go accusing others of making personal attacks.

Oh, I wasn't verbally mauling you or anything like that (I've been on the receiving end of that numerous times recently.) I was just making an observation, as I couldn't make heads or tails of your previous two posts.

Besides, weird ain't bad, its just weird. I'm ultra weird myself. ???

It's cool, I was just having some fun myself.

When you said "Playing Dirty....." my mind wandered over to the Adult Anime section of the VHS rentals.... hence the quip I made. about love making in the east... now why I would expect anyone to make "that " connection

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