Big Announcements Coming Next Week [CR3]

[crashpc]

Pissed myself right away...

 

[actingnurse]

Until they step into 2012 and put 4k RAW video in the cameras... I don't care. Even GoPro has 4K footage now... Canon is turning into the Apple of the camera world.. forever playing "catch-up."

I sold my 5Dm3 last year and moved to RED cameras. i WISH they'd make a 4k RAW camera so I could pick one up for backup.

 

[Lee Jay]

Until they step into 2012 and put 4k RAW video in the cameras... I don't care. Even GoPro has 4K footage now... Canon is turning into the Apple of the camera world.. forever playing "catch-up."

I sold my 5Dm3 last year and moved to RED cameras. i WISH they'd make a 4k RAW camera so I could pick one up for backup.

GoPro's don't shoot raw, and RED cameras cost an order of magnitude more than a 5D-series camera once you include all the accessories that are required.

 

[actingnurse]

Until they step into 2012 and put 4k RAW video in the cameras... I don't care. Even GoPro has 4K footage now... Canon is turning into the Apple of the camera world.. forever playing "catch-up."

I sold my 5Dm3 last year and moved to RED cameras. i WISH they'd make a 4k RAW camera so I could pick one up for backup.

GoPro's don't shoot raw, and RED cameras cost an order of magnitude more than a 5D-series camera once you include all the accessories that are required.

Didn't say GoPro show RAW... i said they shoot 4k... Canon can't (or won't) even make that move.. BMCC, BMPCC, Sony, Go Pro... Hell I think iPhone will make it to 4k before Canon.

 

[3kramd5]

Until they step into 2012 and put 4k RAW video in the cameras... I don't care. Even GoPro has 4K footage now... Canon is turning into the Apple of the camera world.. forever playing "catch-up."

I sold my 5Dm3 last year and moved to RED cameras. i WISH they'd make a 4k RAW camera so I could pick one up for backup.

GoPro's don't shoot raw, and RED cameras cost an order of magnitude more than a 5D-series camera once you include all the accessories that are required.

Didn't say GoPro show RAW... i said they shoot 4k... Canon can't (or won't) even make that move.. BMCC, BMPCC, Sony, Go Pro... Hell I think iPhone will make it to 4k before Canon.

http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/professional/products/professional_cameras/cinema_eos_cameras/eos_1d_c

http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/professional/products/professional_cameras/cinema_eos_cameras/eos_c500

 

[sanj]

Until they step into 2012 and put 4k RAW video in the cameras... I don't care. Even GoPro has 4K footage now... Canon is turning into the Apple of the camera world.. forever playing "catch-up."

I sold my 5Dm3 last year and moved to RED cameras. i WISH they'd make a 4k RAW camera so I could pick one up for backup.

You don't shoot stills right? 5d3 is a stills camera. A very nice stills camera.

 

[AcutancePhotography]

As previously posted, trying to do all things for all people often results in doing less for all people. There is a reason Ferrari does not make pick up trucks. ;D

Bad example.

Lamborghini makes farm tractors.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferruccio_Lamborghini#Legacy

Which is why I did not use Lamborghini as an example. ;D

 

[actingnurse]

http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/professional/products/professional_cameras/cinema_eos_cameras/eos_1d_c

http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/professional/products/professional_cameras/cinema_eos_cameras/eos_c500

And when you step into those two models, you're in the RED Scarlet price range (actually they're about 4 grand higher than the scarlet body, but when you add in the needed accessories, it's about the same)... and they still use the H.264 codec instead of RAW... so RED/Sony/etc. Wins. I was referring to namely the 5D and the other cameras in its class - 5D needs to at LEAST add 4k shooting. RAW would give them the edge again. it CAN be done if you're open to "rigging" with the Magic Lantern software.

I started out shooting stills. Don't get me wrong, its awesome at stills.... one of the best out there. My wife has a 6D so I just use hers for stills. I was just referring to video since there's such a huge DSLR video movement going on due to its relative affordability. All I'm saying is, when will they catch up?

 

[3kramd5]

http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/professional/products/professional_cameras/cinema_eos_cameras/eos_1d_c

http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/professional/products/professional_cameras/cinema_eos_cameras/eos_c500

And when you step into those two models, you're in the RED Scarlet price range

Which you previously showed to be within your budget. Canon makes 4K Raw cameras. What you want is an inexpensive Canon 4K rig. Assuming the thermal design of the rumored body is adequate, I don't see any reason Canon wouldn't enable it (as at that point it would be largely software).

Either way, the notion that an iPhone will record 4k before a Canon camera is demonstrably false.



[If video were my thing and I had the budget, I'd go down the RED path too]

 

[bmwzimmer]

The Sony FS7 is $8000 and is not being undercut by the $2500 Sony A7s. However, for some reason I DO sometimes think Canon is under such silly impressions. If the new 5 body does NOT have internal 4k capability of any sort, it's going to be perceived as a big fail, and I frankly couldn't blame reviewers for seeing it as such given everyone else going that direction or ALREADY there.

By who? By all the people that want video on their camera. So that's purely personal. I'm not interested at all in video, so for me that would never be the reason of a fail. I see the same remarks for every new model coming over here. Simply because people want to use a camera in another way as the manufacturer did create it. No, I don't want a body that must do all (video, high speed, ...). I like the fact that cameras are dedicated to a specific area of use. That doesn't way to say that you can also use for other ways, but they are really not intended as general purpose tools which deliver the max of specification in all areas. Forget that, will never happen.

I very much agree with this. While 4k would be nice, it's way down my list of priorities. I think I've used video recording only three times while using my 7D and never on my 5DIII. Different horses for different courses though.

How about no video at all and sell it for $300-500 less

 

[PureClassA]

The Sony FS7 is $8000 and is not being undercut by the $2500 Sony A7s. However, for some reason I DO sometimes think Canon is under such silly impressions. If the new 5 body does NOT have internal 4k capability of any sort, it's going to be perceived as a big fail, and I frankly couldn't blame reviewers for seeing it as such given everyone else going that direction or ALREADY there.

By who? By all the people that want video on their camera. So that's purely personal. I'm not interested at all in video, so for me that would never be the reason of a fail. I see the same remarks for every new model coming over here. Simply because people want to use a camera in another way as the manufacturer did create it. No, I don't want a body that must do all (video, high speed, ...). I like the fact that cameras are dedicated to a specific area of use. That doesn't way to say that you can also use for other ways, but they are really not intended as general purpose tools which deliver the max of specification in all areas. Forget that, will never happen.

I very much agree with this. While 4k would be nice, it's way down my list of priorities. I think I've used video recording only three times while using my 7D and never on my 5DIII. Different horses for different courses though.

How about no video at all and sell it for $300-500 less

There are a lot of DSLR video/cinema shooters out there. Those with a 3k budget aren't likely going to Canon anymore with so many other, and better, options to do this. It would be a fail on Canon's part if they leave this market segment uncontested. GH4, A7s, etc... It will still be a top-flight still camera as it should be first and foremost, but to NOT include a now so common feature as 4k capability is going to be more widely regarded as a let down than not. And again, a $4000 camera is not going to cannibalize sales of a $15000 camera. Two different animals completely. Ask Sony if that's happening to them wit their $2500 Alpha, because the big FS7 is only about half the price of the C300 at $8000. Both the FS7 and the Alpha7s do 4K.

 

[Lee Jay]

The Sony FS7 is $8000 and is not being undercut by the $2500 Sony A7s. However, for some reason I DO sometimes think Canon is under such silly impressions. If the new 5 body does NOT have internal 4k capability of any sort, it's going to be perceived as a big fail, and I frankly couldn't blame reviewers for seeing it as such given everyone else going that direction or ALREADY there.

By who? By all the people that want video on their camera. So that's purely personal. I'm not interested at all in video, so for me that would never be the reason of a fail. I see the same remarks for every new model coming over here. Simply because people want to use a camera in another way as the manufacturer did create it. No, I don't want a body that must do all (video, high speed, ...). I like the fact that cameras are dedicated to a specific area of use. That doesn't way to say that you can also use for other ways, but they are really not intended as general purpose tools which deliver the max of specification in all areas. Forget that, will never happen.

I very much agree with this. While 4k would be nice, it's way down my list of priorities. I think I've used video recording only three times while using my 7D and never on my 5DIII. Different horses for different courses though.

How about no video at all and sell it for $300-500 less

More, actually, not less.

 

[Don Haines]

http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/professional/products/professional_cameras/cinema_eos_cameras/eos_1d_c

http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/professional/products/professional_cameras/cinema_eos_cameras/eos_c500

And when you step into those two models, you're in the RED Scarlet price range

Which you previously showed to be within your budget. Canon makes 4K Raw cameras. What you want is an inexpensive Canon 4K rig. Assuming the thermal design of the rumored body is adequate, I don't see any reason Canon wouldn't enable it (as at that point it would be largely software).

Either way, the notion that an iPhone will record 4k before a Canon camera is demonstrably false.



[If video were my thing and I had the budget, I'd go down the RED path too]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulmonckton/2015/01/13/4k-video-on-iphone-6/2/

 

[Lee Jay]

http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/professional/products/professional_cameras/cinema_eos_cameras/eos_1d_c

http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/professional/products/professional_cameras/cinema_eos_cameras/eos_c500

And when you step into those two models, you're in the RED Scarlet price range

Which you previously showed to be within your budget. Canon makes 4K Raw cameras. What you want is an inexpensive Canon 4K rig. Assuming the thermal design of the rumored body is adequate, I don't see any reason Canon wouldn't enable it (as at that point it would be largely software).

Either way, the notion that an iPhone will record 4k before a Canon camera is demonstrably false.



[If video were my thing and I had the budget, I'd go down the RED path too]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulmonckton/2015/01/13/4k-video-on-iphone-6/2/

Do you believe it was announced before the C500 or 1Dc?

 

[AvTvM]

I'd love to see a breakdown of how many DSLR buyers use their cameras for stills only, mainly stills+ occasional video, mainly video + occasional stills and purely video. I do not believe the latter 2 categories combined are more than 10% of all DSLR sales.

I love the Canon concept of 1D-X and 1DC and the Sony approach with A7 / R / II vs. A7s ... make those who absolutely demand [4k] video in cameras pay more. Dual functionality = less than double price, but more than single price. Fair enough.

I have never ever captured video with any of my video-enabled DSLRs and won't ever. Don't see any reason why I should have to put up with video buttons and video menus cluttering my stills cameras. And I am tired of all those video cheapskates who clamor for 4k video or even "4k RAW video" in every DSLR.

There should be a clear split: single use cameras - stills and video - and dual-use cameras stills + [highend] video (out). It would become very evident very quickly, just how little true demand there is for "dual use cameras".

If video users don't like Canon Cxxx or Sony FS7 type video cameras, then there is 1D-C and Alpha 7S and Panasonic GH4. But no need whatsoever for every single DSLR to be "high-end" vdieo capable at zero surcharge.

 

[raptor3x]

Do you believe it was announced before the C500 or 1Dc?

I've never understood this tendency of people to criticize Canon for not being innovative for video when they were the first to market with 4K in a DSLR by either by almost two years going by the GH4 or almost 3 years and counting if you're strict about the DSLR part. Bringing the camera to a lower price point is almost purely a business decision, not a question of innovation.

 

[PureClassA]

That's the problem. Canon has NOTHING competitive with the Panasonic GH4 and Sony Alphas when it comes to video. If you want 4k with Canon, it's almost $10k to get in with a 1DC. The Sony a7s is highly popular, mainly built for video, and Sony even recently stated that all the alphas have greatly exceeded their sales projections. Therefore, there IS a good demand for 4k capable cameras in that range with interchangeable lenses.

If Canon wants to have nothing to compete, so be it, but to say there isn't a real market for it is folly. Even though built for stills, Canon would be unwise not to toss in 4k for new FF bodies. If they chose to leave it out for the 1 series, I'd get it. Different beast, and the 1DC is right next to it. But a new 6 or 5 body? Really should have it.

 

[AvTvM]

But a new 6 or 5 body? Really should have it.

no problem, really easy: Canon just should offer 2 versions ...
A) "regular" stills-optimized 5D IV with 50 MP and no video out or HD-video at best @ 2999
and
B) a video-capable 5D IVs with 24 MP and internal 4k video capture (but not raw 4k out) @ 3,499 ... would be still competitive compared to 12 MP Sony A7s which requires use of an external recorder to capture 4k video [at significant additional cost]. Thanks to much larger 5D body internal 4k capture and heat dissipation should be no major issue.

I'd really like to see sales statistics then.

I do not know, but my guess is, that Sony sales of A7s are max. 10% of combined A7 / R / II units.

 

[Don Haines]

http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/professional/products/professional_cameras/cinema_eos_cameras/eos_1d_c

http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/professional/products/professional_cameras/cinema_eos_cameras/eos_c500

And when you step into those two models, you're in the RED Scarlet price range

Which you previously showed to be within your budget. Canon makes 4K Raw cameras. What you want is an inexpensive Canon 4K rig. Assuming the thermal design of the rumored body is adequate, I don't see any reason Canon wouldn't enable it (as at that point it would be largely software).

Either way, the notion that an iPhone will record 4k before a Canon camera is demonstrably false.



[If video were my thing and I had the budget, I'd go down the RED path too]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulmonckton/2015/01/13/4k-video-on-iphone-6/2/

Do you believe it was announced before the C500 or 1Dc?

certainly not , but they did beat Canon to a sub $1000 device.... after all, my comment was about the part above bolded and in green, and neither the C500 or 1Dc is inexpensive..

and all that said, I would be willing to bet that the video from something like a 70D up-sampled to 4K would beat any video coming out of an iPhone.

 

[PureClassA]

But a new 6 or 5 body? Really should have it.

no problem, really easy: Canon just should offer 2 versions ...
A) "regular" stills-optimized 5D IV with 50 MP and no video out or HD-video at best @ 2999
and
B) a video-capable 5D IVs with 24 MP and internal 4k video capture (but not raw 4k out) @ 3,499 ... would be still competitive compared to 12 MP Sony A7s which requires use of an external recorder to capture 4k video [at significant additional cost]. Thanks to much larger 5D body internal 4k capture and heat dissipation should be no major issue.

I'd really like to see sales statistics then.

I do not know, but my guess is, that Sony sales of A7s are max. 10% of combined A7 / R / II units.

Yes. My only point was Canon needs SOMETHING with competitive 4k that isn't $10,000. I don't see why they can't/won't make something competitive with the Sony and Panasonic offerings when Canon itself was the DSLR video pioneer. I don't expect RAW output for $3-4k. But a real clean 8-10bit HDMI out would be lovely and on par with the competition. Add in Canon's superior color reproduction and the EF lens system... Look at all the effort they put into the 7D2 video AF system.