Big Announcements Coming Next Week [CR3]

[3kramd5]

Either way, the notion that an iPhone will record 4k before a Canon camera is demonstrably false.
[If video were my thing and I had the budget, I'd go down the RED path too]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulmonckton/2015/01/13/4k-video-on-iphone-6/2/

Do you believe it was announced before the C500 or 1Dc?

Even granting non-native functionality (not sure whether ML allowed for 4k on Canon EOS before this app came around for iOS), the C500 pre-dates the iphone6 by a couple years.

Silly discussion, but whatever

 

[lo lite]

We’re told the embargo/NDA expires on Friday, February 6, 2015 for these upcoming products. These products would line up with the CP+ show in Japan next month.

O.k., I know we're talking about rumors here but I wonder what that rumored 53MP Resolution will actually be. 8910x5940 or 8940x5960 or 8970 x 5980? Something even more odd? Why not just 54MP (9000x6000)?

 

[AvTvM]

O.k., I know we're talking about rumors here but I wonder what that rumored 53MP Resolution will actually be. 8910x5940 or 8940x5960 or 8970 x 5980? Something even more odd? Why not just 54MP (9000x6000)?

9000x6000 ... will come first in a mid 2018 Apple iMac and/or a Dell monitor ... when evyery other company aorund brings 8k monitors, they'll have it at "9k". Just like their late 2014 "5k" devices. 8)

"Super Hi Vision" / 8K TV broadcasts and displays @ 7.680 x 4.320 might be coming sooner than expected ... even as 13.3" monitors/tablets 8)
http://www.ibc.org/page.cfm/action=library/libID=2/libEntryID=266/listID=1

I can already see the first video-enthusiasts starting to clamor for "RAW 8k video-capability in any future (Canon) DSLR". ;D

 

[9VIII]

O.k., I know we're talking about rumors here but I wonder what that rumored 53MP Resolution will actually be. 8910x5940 or 8940x5960 or 8970 x 5980? Something even more odd? Why not just 54MP (9000x6000)?

9000x6000 ... will come first in a mid 2018 Apple iMac and/or a Dell monitor ... when evyery other company aorund brings 8k monitors, they'll have it at "9k". Just like their late 2014 "5k" devices. 8)

That would more likely be an 11K display, 5K is almost twice the pixel count of 4K (14MP vs. 8MP), where 9K would just be 25% more than 8K.

It really depends on the bandwidth of the connectors though, Displayport 1.3 tops out at either 4K@120Hz or 5K@60Hz.
I supposed given that 8K is supposed to be a 120Hz specification, it would make sense that some manufacturers would try to make a 60Hz panel for whatever connector they happen to come up with that supports 8K. However, I really hope that everyone just switches to using a 120Hz refresh rate industry wide, it makes a big difference in motion quality and at that point we won't be hurting for resolution like we are now (yes, 1920x1080 is super jaggy and we've had equivalent resolutions on PC since the mid 90's).

 

[Don Haines]

O.k., I know we're talking about rumors here but I wonder what that rumored 53MP Resolution will actually be. 8910x5940 or 8940x5960 or 8970 x 5980? Something even more odd? Why not just 54MP (9000x6000)?

9000x6000 ... will come first in a mid 2018 Apple iMac and/or a Dell monitor ... when evyery other company aorund brings 8k monitors, they'll have it at "9k". Just like their late 2014 "5k" devices. 8)

That would more likely be an 11K display, 5K is almost twice the pixel count of 4K (14MP vs. 8MP), where 9K would just be 25% more than 8K.

It really depends on the bandwidth of the connectors though, Displayport 1.3 tops out at either 4K@120Hz or 5K@60Hz.
I supposed given that 8K is supposed to be a 120Hz specification, it would make sense that some manufacturers would try to make a 60Hz panel for whatever connector they happen to come up with that supports 8K. However, I really hope that everyone just switches to using a 120Hz refresh rate industry wide, it makes a big difference in motion quality and at that point we won't be hurting for resolution like we are now (yes, 1920x1080 is super jaggy and we've had equivalent resolutions on PC since the mid 90's).

In 1974 I had a 800x480 4096 colour graphics display. It took almost 30 years to double that resolution and now 8K screens are starting to appear as prototypes. This is a very quick jump in a relatively short time.... some believe that displays will plateau at 16K... whatever you believe, we are living in exciting times for digital imaging.

 

[Khufu]

Has anyone stopped to consider how disgusting humans look in 1080p close-ups and that 4K, 8K etc. are truly terrifying developments?...

 

[privatebydesign]

Has anyone stopped to consider how disgusting humans look in 1080p close-ups and that 4K, 8K etc. are truly terrifying developments?...

Ha, 4K is only 8MP, now everybody needs 50MP................

 

[Don Haines]

Has anyone stopped to consider how disgusting humans look in 1080p close-ups and that 4K, 8K etc. are truly terrifying developments?...

I find it amazing how you can take a picture, and then pixel peep to see details you would never notice in the real world....

 

[PureClassA]

I hate to tell you this Don, but I'm not sure that's a cat ;D Nice eyeball selfie though!!!

 

[Kahuna]

Don Haines selfie appears to be the grim reaper

 

[Loswr]

My only point was Canon needs SOMETHING with competitive 4k that isn't $10,000.

Why? Canon was the first to make a 4K dSLR, so clearly they have the technology. The fact that they haven't brought 4K down the lineup indicates they haven't seen it as a need so far. I suspect Canon knows more about their business than you do.

 

[PureClassA]

My only point was Canon needs SOMETHING with competitive 4k that isn't $10,000.

Why? Canon was the first to make a 4K dSLR, so clearly they have the technology. The fact that they haven't brought 4K down the lineup indicates they haven't seen it as a need so far. I suspect Canon knows more about their business than you do.

Yes they have it. That's the point. The last FF bodies released were 2013. 4k was widely a non-issue at that time. 2015 is a new day and quite the opposite is the case now. Point was that these NEW bodies should have it for this round for the next 2-3 year life cycle

 

[Don Haines]

Don Haines selfie appears to be the grim reaper

That's right! Don't mess with me or it's Death by Squirrel!

 

[Loswr]

My only point was Canon needs SOMETHING with competitive 4k that isn't $10,000.

Why? Canon was the first to make a 4K dSLR, so clearly they have the technology. The fact that they haven't brought 4K down the lineup indicates they haven't seen it as a need so far. I suspect Canon knows more about their business than you do.

Yes they have it. That's the point. The last FF bodies released were 2013. 4k was widely a non-issue at that time. 2015 is a new day and quite the opposite is the case now. Point was that these NEW bodies should have it for this round for the next 2-3 year life cycle

Giventhe current market penetration of 4K TVs (or lack thereof), I suspect it's still widely a non-issue.

 

[K-amps]

But a new 6 or 5 body? Really should have it.

no problem, really easy: Canon just should offer 2 versions ...
A) "regular" stills-optimized 5D IV with 50 MP and no video out or HD-video at best @ 2999
and
B) a video-capable 5D IVs with 24 MP and internal 4k video capture (but not raw 4k out) @ 3,499 ... would be still competitive compared to 12 MP Sony A7s which requires use of an external recorder to capture 4k video [at significant additional cost]. Thanks to much larger 5D body internal 4k capture and heat dissipation should be no major issue.

I'd really like to see sales statistics then.

I do not know, but my guess is, that Sony sales of A7s are max. 10% of combined A7 / R / II units.

Yes. My only point was Canon needs SOMETHING with competitive 4k that isn't $10,000. I don't see why they can't/won't make something competitive with the Sony and Panasonic offerings when Canon itself was the DSLR video pioneer. I don't expect RAW output for $3-4k. But a real clean 8-10bit HDMI out would be lovely and on par with the competition. Add in Canon's superior color reproduction and the EF lens system... Look at all the effort they put into the 7D2 video AF system.

Untill the 1080p snapshot has the resolution and quality of a 1080x1920 pix still; why are we asking for 4k when we know it will be a mush anyway?

 

[Don Haines]

My only point was Canon needs SOMETHING with competitive 4k that isn't $10,000.

Why? Canon was the first to make a 4K dSLR, so clearly they have the technology. The fact that they haven't brought 4K down the lineup indicates they haven't seen it as a need so far. I suspect Canon knows more about their business than you do.

Yes they have it. That's the point. The last FF bodies released were 2013. 4k was widely a non-issue at that time. 2015 is a new day and quite the opposite is the case now. Point was that these NEW bodies should have it for this round for the next 2-3 year life cycle

Giventhe current market penetration of 4K TVs (or lack thereof), I suspect it's still widely a non-issue.

I believe the market forecast for this year is for 4K TVs to outsell 2K TVs..... At my local best buy, the 4K section is now bigger than the 2K section. There is still not very much content, but people are buying them.....

 

[dcm]

My only point was Canon needs SOMETHING with competitive 4k that isn't $10,000.

Why? Canon was the first to make a 4K dSLR, so clearly they have the technology. The fact that they haven't brought 4K down the lineup indicates they haven't seen it as a need so far. I suspect Canon knows more about their business than you do.

Yes they have it. That's the point. The last FF bodies released were 2013. 4k was widely a non-issue at that time. 2015 is a new day and quite the opposite is the case now. Point was that these NEW bodies should have it for this round for the next 2-3 year life cycle

Giventhe current market penetration of 4K TVs (or lack thereof), I suspect it's still widely a non-issue.

I believe the market forecast for this year is for 4K TVs to outsell 2K TVs..... At my local best buy, the 4K section is now bigger than the 2K section. There is still not very much content, but people are buying them.....

The original HD tvs did not take off until broadcast switched to HD due to limited content and high prices. It's become mainstream now and sets are available at 10% of the price when I got mine. Yes, I'm an early adopter.

3D suffered from lack of content and the glasses problem - it never really caught on. I skipped the 3D craze, bought more camera equipment and upgraded my desktop/laptop.

Now that the 3D fever has worn off, the manufacturers and retailers need something new to hawk so they have latched on to 4K. The early adopters for 4K are out there now, upgrading their 3D tvs. It's unclear that 4K can penetrate the mass market any time soon without readily available content to drive it and a network infrastructure to deliver it. Like DVD to HD, upscaling 2K to 4K can only go so far. We'll need another order of magnitude improvement in network pipes that are still struggling just to handle NetFlix HD traffic. Some form of physical media for storage and distribution might be nice, too.

 

[Hjalmarg1]

<p class="p1"> <li class="p1">EF 11-24 f/4L</li>
<li class="p1">EOS M3 Camera</li>
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11-24mm f/4L has to impressively good for current photographers owning Canon UWA lenses to spend $2,000+ in this lens.
EOS M3: It has to have a decent and fast AF and good selection of lenses to get interest from mirrorless users. Other manufactures of mirrorless cameras are way ahead.
With respect to other announcements, I don't simply have any interest.

 

[Khufu]

Has anyone stopped to consider how disgusting humans look in 1080p close-ups and that 4K, 8K etc. are truly terrifying developments?...

I find it amazing how you can take a picture, and then pixel peep to see details you would never notice in the real world....

Can't even make out the colour of your eyes, Sir... Moar DR! Moar Pixels! Canon needs 1080K already!

Fun shot n' crop though, Don... But are these 4K enthusiasts hoping to zoom in to watch Spielberg in motion, directing Indiana from within the reflection in his eyes?

Over here the BBC in 576p is awesome - I fear the Americans and Japanese have simply spent too long suffering with 480i and now they're desperate to overcompensate

 

[drob]

Just thought of something...
5DS (53 megapixel)=Nikon D810
5DIV = Nikon D750
6DII = Nikon D610

It's starting to make sense I think..thoughts?