Bingo! New Canon 5Ds has 50.6 MP new rumored specs

Canon has no doubt in my mind been losing sales to Nikon for that market segment who shops based off of printed specs. This is your high end techno-enthusiast spenders. I think these folks are underestimated in the market place. There's a lot of them out there and they are willing to spend on toys.


This 50mp camera is Canon's way to one-up Nikon.

Do these megapixels translate to better image quality? Yes and no. It depends on what you want to do.

I would bet that the majority of enthusiasts out there simply get personal pleasure from pixel peeping and admiring the technical quality of the equipment on their computer.

I say this because one can ONLY appreciate such high megapixel resolution on a PC at 1:1. You cannot appreciate it on the web, nor in print unless you're creating a giant poster, mural or billboard. You can't even full screen the image of a 5D3 at 1:1 on the latest 4K monitors!!! Think about that. To see all the pixels and detail, there's no monitor out there that can show you the whole image AND the full detail at the same time. You have to choose, full detail and just look at part of the image, or the whole image with less detail. Or you can just wait for 8K monitors....


The only advantage at all is cropping. Having more resolution to still yield a decent image after a severe crop. But that opens a whole other discussion. Cropping is generally inferior to using a proper focal length. It is at times a lot more convenient than swapping lenses. Or a necessity if you just don't own the needed focal length for a proper shot.

Real landscape guys and commercial studio guys will take advantage, since the real ones do print and they print huge or sell to clients who plan to print huge.



Figure this, at 50mp, will it be the equal of a Hasselblad? No way. Pixel size does matter. Larger ones are typically better, but when you are constrained by 35mm format, fitting more means making them smaller. Increases in resolution comes at the cost of smaller pixels. Thus, smaller pixels will have to become more efficient and accurate. The rumored 6400 ISO is an indication that efficiency wasn't increased much at all - they're just putting out high mega pixel count.


At some point Canon was going to have to deal with the realities of marketing and the market itself. They have been being beat up by the number 36 over and over. Hanging over their heads as the monument that they are not top dog.

To those who take the time to learn, they know the truth is more complicated. It is hard to overcome THE specification that has been the spotlight of digital photography since the beginning with a reputation for great image quality. It is always the number that sticks out. It is always the number which is the measure.

Now Canon has 50. Big 50. Nope, not the rumored 46...a wimpier looking number. But big bold 50mp to be king of the hill again.
 
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I'm still wondering whether or not the sensor in 5ds will be made by Sony. I remember 100+ MP APS-H sensor rumored to be developed by Canon quite a while ago. Is there a way to modify this sensor to use for full frame cameras? And if it's a Sony's sensor, I'd love to see DxO report on 5ds :D

Also, what would be (and is there?) theoretical limit of megapixels in full frame sensors?
 
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K said:
The only advantage at all is cropping. Having more resolution to still yield a decent image after a severe crop. But that opens a whole other discussion. Cropping is generally inferior to using a proper focal length.

You forget to imagine the possible needs of others.

I have lenses to shoot anything. However, I do a lot of targeted street photography where I cannot control any of the surrounding circumstances. Cars and people get in my way. Disturbing backgrounds popping up from nowhere. Unruly pedestrians wanting to pass me during a shot. Good scenes appearing and disappearing in an instant.

Cropping is an essential way to help me focus those shots on what I want to show and get rid of all the urban "noise". A ruined full body shot can thus often be saved by cropping the picture into a close portrait shot in stead.

I am sure others also have their reasons to crop a lot regardless of arming themselves with the "right" tool for the right job. Not all of us have the luxury of having control over our subject and surroundings.
 
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K said:
This camera is obviously for landscape and studio work. Remember that canon isn't a body...its a system. With the latest L lenses being sharper than nikon, and 50 mp... We should see some amazing results. If the rumors are true about lack of video features..that further confirms this is a landscape and studio machine. No one uses even 1600 ISO in studio or landscapes. Why all the fuss. Wait for the 5d4 to complain about iso when those specs arrive.
+1!
I'm very interested, very interested!
 
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I can see the 5Dr and 5Ds being a Canon sensor with those limits. 6400 ISO might be Ug-ly though.

But the 5D4, if a Sony sensor, would be spectacular.

I'm already at 50mp with the 645z, but will probably go with a 5Dr to replace my 5D3 for the interim. Providing 6400 is comparable or better than the 5D3. I'm kinda happy with the 1DX ISO6400, so if the 5Dr has an increase in ISO it'll be a welcome swap.
 
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Orangutan said:
Maiaibing said:
Unruly pedestrians

Unruly: I do not think it means what you think it means. If you're getting in the way of free flowing traffic (pedestrian or mechanical) then it is you who are unruly. Perhaps the word you are looking for is "indignant," "perturbed," "hindered" or "vexed."

I think he used it correctly. Pedestrians are components of the landscape / streetscape and are difficult to control.
You have made the assumption that the pedestrians wishes, destination, wants, desires, convenience or feelings matter. Obviously this is a perspective issue.
 
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takesome1 said:
Orangutan said:
Maiaibing said:
Unruly pedestrians

Unruly: I do not think it means what you think it means. If you're getting in the way of free flowing traffic (pedestrian or mechanical) then it is you who are unruly. Perhaps the word you are looking for is "indignant," "perturbed," "hindered" or "vexed."

I think he used it correctly. Pedestrians are components of the landscape / streetscape and are difficult to control.
You have made the assumption that the pedestrians wishes, destination, wants, desires, convenience or feelings matter. Obviously this is a perspective issue.

:D
 
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Orangutan said:
Unruly: I do not think it means what you think it means. If you're getting in the way of free flowing traffic (pedestrian or mechanical) then it is you who are unruly. Perhaps the word you are looking for is "indignant," "perturbed," "hindered" or "vexed."

Quite some imaginative suggestions here and elsewhere. Unfortunately the truth is mundane as I don't really ever get in the way of any pedestrians while shooting.

I use unruly as in "uncontrollable" i.e. not being able to control the flow of others who then upset the scenes I hope to capture. Which according to the dictionary is a correct use of the word.
 
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With the differences in sensor and pixel pitch like we have seen with Sony with the A7, A7R, A7S driving the best out of the lenses will be interesting. A matched system will want to strive to have the best nyquist outcome and oversampling in video will become the norm as UHD and SuperUHD become the reality of technology. Oversampling of a native 4K image actually provides for a clean 2K image so to have a clean 4K image you need 8K. Oversampling however requires huge amounts of data to be processed which is why the 50.6MP Canon sensor is limited to 5fps any higher will likely mean using an FPGA/s and generating more heat which a weather-proofed body will trap inside.
So Im not suprised that the Canon 5dMKIV will likely be a smaller MP sensor if its going to be 4K however to move it on from Canon current 4K offerings it will need to adopt H.265 (HEVC) with up to 50Mbs data rate and REC.2020 this will be the minimum new 4K Bluray standard.
 
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Maiaibing said:
K said:
The only advantage at all is cropping. Having more resolution to still yield a decent image after a severe crop. But that opens a whole other discussion. Cropping is generally inferior to using a proper focal length.

You forget to imagine the possible needs of others.

I have lenses to shoot anything. However, I do a lot of targeted street photography where I cannot control any of the surrounding circumstances. Cars and people get in my way. Disturbing backgrounds popping up from nowhere. Unruly pedestrians wanting to pass me during a shot. Good scenes appearing and disappearing in an instant.

Cropping is an essential way to help me focus those shots on what I want to show and get rid of all the urban "noise". A ruined full body shot can thus often be saved by cropping the picture into a close portrait shot in stead.

I am sure others also have their reasons to crop a lot regardless of arming themselves with the "right" tool for the right job. Not all of us have the luxury of having control over our subject and surroundings.

Well spoken - there is a lack of "open mindedness" in our world ...

I see a lot of applications for 50MPix:
  • "One shot" panoramic photos without stitching -- let's think about a scene with moving objects (or subjects)
  • Possibility for downsampling to get cleaner images e.g. for monochromatic light sources
  • Use "THE IMAGE" for a really large wall mounted image (2x3m or so) if it occurs to you ...
  • Creating overview + detail shots in ONE image (landscapes, macro, ...)

The only thing I would really like: If you decide an image is cropped to e.g. 10 MPix or downsampled to e.g. 18 MPix it would be nice to save the result as raw image with reduced image size (and file size)!

I am not shure I will buy such a 50 MPix beast but I am at least very interested -- it too depends on estimates of future development of displays. As a fresh owner of an Ultra HD display (500 Euro/$ TV-Set [900Euro MSRP]) I am really excited to view my 10 year old images shot with EOS 20D near native resolution -- and I think they will go 8k in the next decade (at least to have reasons to sell new products ...). So I would like to be prepared.
 
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The number of morons attacking this camera for not having higher frame rates, 4K, or higher ISO is pretty amusing.

This is the camera for the rest of us who have felt ignored by Canon in its rush to Video. Studio and Landscape artist have been staring at the Nikon 8xx and the Sony A7r with sad eyes as they went out to shoot with their Canons. My concern is price. I might consider this but Weight and size is impacting my older arms. For this reason I am likley to go to the A7II and the soon to be announced A7rII or A9.

For those of you complaining wait for the 5DmIV -- that will have higher frame rates, really high ISO, 4K, at around 24mp (my guess). I think that one will have a SONY/Canon sensor that Nikon will not get.
 
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mjardeen said:
The number of morons attacking this camera for not having higher frame rates, 4K, or higher ISO is pretty amusing.

This is the camera for the rest of us who have felt ignored by Canon in its rush to Video. Studio and Landscape artist have been staring at the Nikon 8xx and the Sony A7r with sad eyes as they went out to shoot with their Canons. My concern is price. I might consider this but Weight and size is impacting my older arms. For this reason I am likley to go to the A7II and the soon to be announced A7rII or A9.

For those of you complaining wait for the 5DmIV -- that will have higher frame rates, really high ISO, 4K, at around 24mp (my guess). I think that one will have a SONY/Canon sensor that Nikon will not get.

They're probably envious like a child who's sibling is getting cool presents on their birthday, while they get nothing for a few months until their birthday comes around.

Or it could also be like Christmas where one kid get what he wanted, as the other gets socks and ugly sweaters from grandma.

It can only be explained in terms of childishness, don't you think? haha! :)
 
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mjardeen said:
The number of morons attacking this camera for not having higher frame rates, 4K, or higher ISO is pretty amusing.

This is the camera for the rest of us who have felt ignored by Canon in its rush to Video. Studio and Landscape artist have been staring at the Nikon 8xx and the Sony A7r with sad eyes as they went out to shoot with their Canons. My concern is price. I might consider this but Weight and size is impacting my older arms. For this reason I am likley to go to the A7II and the soon to be announced A7rII or A9.

For those of you complaining wait for the 5DmIV -- that will have higher frame rates, really high ISO, 4K, at around 24mp (my guess). I think that one will have a SONY/Canon sensor that Nikon will not get.


Absolutely. This is (hopefully, pending tttmnbso* results) the camera I've been waiting for to become my Canon landscape camera.


* TTTMNBSO: The thing that must not be spoken of
 
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jrista said:
mjardeen said:
The number of morons attacking this camera for not having higher frame rates, 4K, or higher ISO is pretty amusing.

This is the camera for the rest of us who have felt ignored by Canon in its rush to Video. Studio and Landscape artist have been staring at the Nikon 8xx and the Sony A7r with sad eyes as they went out to shoot with their Canons. My concern is price. I might consider this but Weight and size is impacting my older arms. For this reason I am likley to go to the A7II and the soon to be announced A7rII or A9.

For those of you complaining wait for the 5DmIV -- that will have higher frame rates, really high ISO, 4K, at around 24mp (my guess). I think that one will have a SONY/Canon sensor that Nikon will not get.


Absolutely. This is (hopefully, pending tttmnbso* results) the camera I've been waiting for to become my Canon landscape camera.


* TTTMNBSO: The thing that must not be spoken of

Can we just say "Voldemort" instead? Thats seems a lot easier and means exactly the same thing
 
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mjardeen said:
The number of morons attacking this camera for not having higher frame rates, 4K, or higher ISO is pretty amusing.

This is the camera for the rest of us who have felt ignored by Canon in its rush to Video. Studio and Landscape artist have been staring at the Nikon 8xx and the Sony A7r with sad eyes as they went out to shoot with their Canons. My concern is price. I might consider this but Weight and size is impacting my older arms. For this reason I am likley to go to the A7II and the soon to be announced A7rII or A9.

For those of you complaining wait for the 5DmIV -- that will have higher frame rates, really high ISO, 4K, at around 24mp (my guess). I think that one will have a SONY/Canon sensor that Nikon will not get.

I am guessing around 3 ... 3.5 k$/k€ - Canon surprised us with 7d ii price and has strong competitors. For me 50 MPix is good enough for 5...8 years, sth. like a natural (physical) limit. An OTUS would be more helpful than upgrading to a 100 MPix body.
If it's a landscape cam weight is a concern and it will be around 950 grams (below 1000g for spec lists).
 
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