Bingo! New Canon 5Ds has 50.6 MP new rumored specs

[Famateur]

Why would they put a top-of-the-line fast action AF system or 4K video in a studio camera with 50MP?

Because 4k video is big for landscape video and wildlife video work, things to which this camera is well suited (depending).

Of course there might be technical issues getting video out of 50MP (you;d think you could do the same 5D3 on chip video binning though and get 4k out of it though).

Since the video on it seems to be a joke, let's hope the stills are grand slam (exmor DR at worst, top color, at least 6fps in cropped modes, AF at least as good as in 5D3).

It's probably reasonable to suspect that the video side will be lacking since if it will have 4K, it would likely be in the rumor. Still, I would consider video features to be unannounced and unrumored. If it is lacking, then I agree -- let's hope the stills performance (for its studio/landscape market) is a grand slam.

 

[Famateur]

If it has Canon DR and with the only 5fps and no improved video and no 4k then FORGET IT! It is a only a pseudo jack of all trades and not even close to a master of anything.

I don't think anyone is promoting this camera as "jack of all trades". It seems to be designed as a master of well-lit studio, daylight and still life applications.

Demanding high frame rate and video out of that sort of camera is like expecting similar from digital medium format.

I'm sure that Canon will step up to the plate with an all-rounder in the EOS 5D IV come August... Like you, I wait in fond anticipation.

yes but if it has Canon DR then it's not a master of studio/landscape stuff, especially not the latter

I'd rather use 36MP Exmor for that stuff than just 14MP more and worse DR.

Not holding my breath, but if the rumor that it's a Canon sensor from a new process is true, we could be pleasantly surprised on the dynamic range front...

 

[Marsu42]

I'd rather use 36MP Exmor for that stuff than just 14MP more and worse DR.

Not holding my breath, but if the rumor that it's a Canon sensor from a new process is true, we could be pleasantly surprised on the dynamic range front...

Canon increasing dr *and* res significantly at the same time? "Oink oink flap flap"

 

[2cool4games]

They need this camera to have 4k video.. And if the 5D Mark IV comes out... It needs the same... 4k video!!!! Man!

That would be awesome.

 

[Kahuna]

I'd rather use 36MP Exmor for that stuff than just 14MP more and worse DR.

Not holding my breath, but if the rumor that it's a Canon sensor from a new process is true, we could be pleasantly surprised on the dynamic range front...

Canon increasing dr *and* res significantly at the same time? "Oink oink flap flap"

So no confidence in Canon .. what's keeping you around?

Edit: Don't bother with a response...good night and good luck finding that magical camera that does everything you need or think you need.

 

[Marsu42]

So no confidence in Canon .. what's keeping you around?

I dunno if you realize - but photography doesn't equal lingering for new gear, it's about making do with what you have since there will always be limitations. I know this is irritating to a fanboi, but as a Canon shooter of 3 decades I feel free not to get overwhelmed by rumors, even if it's a nice pastime while my LR is plenty busy trying to cope with my 20mp files

Edit: Don't bother with a response...

*snigger* hey, see, there's always something new 'round here - I don't remember reading a trollish poster asking not to reply . Good night to you, might your dreams be in high definition.

 

[Kahuna]

So no confidence in Canon .. what's keeping you around?

I dunno if you realize - but photography doesn't equal lingering for new gear, it's about making do with what you have since there will always be limitations. I know this is irritating to a fanboi, but as a Canon shooter of 3 decades I feel free not to get overwhelmed by rumors, even if it's a nice pastime while my LR is plenty busy trying to cope with my 20mp files

Edit: Don't bother with a response...

*snigger* hey, see, there's always something new 'round here - I don't remember reading a trollish poster asking not to reply . Good night to you, might your dreams be in high definition.

Troll ... Nope but you should look in the mirror.. Wasn't happy with Canon and made my decision to move on and went to a camera that meets my needs very nicely (Pentac 645Z). Happy as I could ever be... suggest the same for you cuz its gonna take more than pigs flying to meet your needs.... good night and good luck.

 

[Gcon]

My best guess is that there is some sort of collaboration between Sony and Canon to get economies of scale and share the same 50MP sensor.
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr4-trusted-source-i-am-99-sure-the-new-a7rii-is-coming-with-50mp-sensor/

This will put Canon back in the high MP and high DR game.

I doubt it will have dual pixel. Standard live view is fine for landscape, and I assume studio work. I can imagine dual-pixel being used in the 5DIV, but not 5Ds / 5DsR.

As for GPS - assume that will be a bolt on extra - as studio people don't really need it, and allows Canon to extract more funds from people who really do need it. I will be pleasantly surprised if it's built in but at this stage - I doubt it. Same goes for wifi but opposite reasons - something that's more for the studio (wireless tethering) than the landscape crowd, although wifi to smartphone is handy for the landscape bloggers, but not a must-have in my view.

Intervalometer / bulb I think was always a given as it's a pure software tweak, and that it had appeared on the 7DII. Good.

Focus peaking / zerbras. A real shame if that doesn't go into this camera. I really really would like to see peaking and exposure zerbras, as it's a software tweak so well do-able. I'm 50/50 as to whether they will put it in or not. If magic lantern can do it - then so can Canon!

 

[PureClassA]

If it has Canon DR and with the only 5fps and no improved video and no 4k then FORGET IT! It is a only a pseudo jack of all trades and not even close to a master of anything.

I don't think anyone is promoting this camera as "jack of all trades". It seems to be designed as a master of well-lit studio, daylight and still life applications.

Demanding high frame rate and video out of that sort of camera is like expecting similar from digital medium format.

I'm sure that Canon will step up to the plate with an all-rounder in the EOS 5D IV come August... Like you, I wait in fond anticipation.

yes but if it has Canon DR then it's not a master of studio/landscape stuff, especially not the latter

I'd rather use 36MP Exmor for that stuff than just 14MP more and worse DR.

Not holding my breath, but if the rumor that it's a Canon sensor from a new process is true, we could be pleasantly surprised on the dynamic range front...

Famateur, having read the last few pages of all your posts, I have to say you're one of the few on here who really gets it. Canon has obviously created a whole new line up to suit each professional need. There won't be 4k on the 5Ds because it's not meant for that. My prediction is that we see a 1DX2 before the 5D4. Both of these rigs will have 4K. The 1DC just got a $4000 price drop. It's now $7999. Releasing a new 1DX2 also at $7k+ makes no sense with a 1DC at the same price. The 1DC is being phased out I bet. The 1DX and 1DC will become the 1DX2. A 1DC now is nothing more than exactly a 1DX with 4k added. If a 1DX2 comes out with DPAF...which it most assuredly will... A 1DC is suddenly a bit of a dog. What I think we will get at the end of the summer is an all around 25mp ish 5D4 and 20.2MP 1DX2 both with DPAF and 4k capability with the 1DX2 blasting 14FPS, some obscene number of AF points spread wide across the frame and fabulous low light high ISO ability along with the full time video AF features in the 7D2 and maybe even a Real audio preamp for mic input.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

There won't be 4k on the 5Ds because it's not meant for that.

Why not? How was the 1DC more meant for it?
If anything a high DR landscape/wildlife cam matches more to 4k than an ultra-speed brick action/sports body.

How are any of the DSLR meant or not meant for 4k?

Only if their is a tech reason can you say it was not meant for it (maybe there was, maybe not, you certainly can't likely expect a full sensor read from the 50MP cam for video, but a on chip bin mode like 5D3 seems like it could have worked, although I can't know for sure, perhaps not as maybe it is a Sony chip and Sony didn't make with binned 4k and Canon wanted a high DR camera and couldn't make one themselves and there you have it high DR amazing stills but no 4k??).

 

[rrcphoto]

Hmm I see all the eeyore's have weighed in on this thread already.

 

[PureClassA]

There won't be 4k on the 5Ds because it's not meant for that.

Why not? How was the 1DC more meant for it?
If anything a high DR landscape/wildlife cam matches more to 4k than an ultra-speed brick action/sports body.

How are any of the DSLR meant or not meant for 4k?

Only if their is a tech reason can you say it was not meant for it (maybe there was, maybe not, you certainly can't likely expect a full sensor read from the 50MP cam for video, but a on chip bin mode like 5D3 seems like it could have worked, although I can't know for sure, perhaps not as maybe it is a Sony chip and Sony didn't make with binned 4k and Canon wanted a high DR camera and couldn't make one themselves and there you have it high DR amazing stills but no 4k??).

Don't need a tech reason. It's a model line up reason. This is looking like a studio stills machine. With a separate 5D4 coming later, it seems to make more sense to drop 4k into your all-around machine... Because then they can sell it at 3500-4000 just like the 5DS will probably be and have that major distinction to justify the pricie strategy? I'm guessing my friend

 

[rrcphoto]

There won't be 4k on the 5Ds because it's not meant for that.

Why not? How was the 1DC more meant for it?
If anything a high DR landscape/wildlife cam matches more to 4k than an ultra-speed brick action/sports body.

How are any of the DSLR meant or not meant for 4k?

Only if their is a tech reason can you say it was not meant for it (maybe there was, maybe not, you certainly can't likely expect a full sensor read from the 50MP cam for video, but a on chip bin mode like 5D3 seems like it could have worked, although I can't know for sure, perhaps not as maybe it is a Sony chip and Sony didn't make with binned 4k and Canon wanted a high DR camera and couldn't make one themselves and there you have it high DR amazing stills but no 4k??).

yawn.
the A7II has no 4K . heck even the A7S has no internal 4K.
the A7R has no 4K.
the D750, D810, D4s, D610 has no 4k.
do you see where I'm going here? and some of these cameras are even brand spanking new.

 

[rrcphoto]

There won't be 4k on the 5Ds because it's not meant for that.

Why not? How was the 1DC more meant for it?
If anything a high DR landscape/wildlife cam matches more to 4k than an ultra-speed brick action/sports body.

How are any of the DSLR meant or not meant for 4k?

Only if their is a tech reason can you say it was not meant for it (maybe there was, maybe not, you certainly can't likely expect a full sensor read from the 50MP cam for video, but a on chip bin mode like 5D3 seems like it could have worked, although I can't know for sure, perhaps not as maybe it is a Sony chip and Sony didn't make with binned 4k and Canon wanted a high DR camera and couldn't make one themselves and there you have it high DR amazing stills but no 4k??).

Don't need a tech reason. It's a model line up reason. This is looking like a studio stills machine. With a separate 5D4 coming later, it seems to make more sense to drop 4k into your all-around machine... Because then they can sell it at 3500-4000 just like the 5DS will probably be and have that major distinction to justify the pricie strategy? I'm guessing my friend

agreed - not to mention;

Some could actually think and go - hmm line skipping a 50Mp sensor would be HELL and horrid with tons of artifacts.
And then they could also go .. hmm. binning each frame in firmware for 4k output would be insane on processing.

but no.. can't have logic and common sense

 

[PureClassA]

There won't be 4k on the 5Ds because it's not meant for that.

Why not? How was the 1DC more meant for it?
If anything a high DR landscape/wildlife cam matches more to 4k than an ultra-speed brick action/sports body.

How are any of the DSLR meant or not meant for 4k?

Only if their is a tech reason can you say it was not meant for it (maybe there was, maybe not, you certainly can't likely expect a full sensor read from the 50MP cam for video, but a on chip bin mode like 5D3 seems like it could have worked, although I can't know for sure, perhaps not as maybe it is a Sony chip and Sony didn't make with binned 4k and Canon wanted a high DR camera and couldn't make one themselves and there you have it high DR amazing stills but no 4k??).

yawn.
the A7II has no 4K . heck even the A7S has no internal 4K.
the A7R has no 4K.
the D750, D810, D4s, D610 has no 4k.
do you see where I'm going here?

And you hit the nail to my point. The a7r and a7s released at the same price. One did high res, one did superb video at 4k (lack of internal recording was a physical design constraint..but it CAN do it). So here comes Canon. We have a high res 5 body and (perhaps) a 4k body in a subsequent 5D4 that is ALSO a fantastic all around camera that CAN record internally 4k... If both are $4k then that is the same price as an a7s plus Shogun.

 

[gecko]

Looking forward to the inevitable 5Ds vs 645z shoot-out. ;D

 

[RLPhoto]

The true specs will decide but looking at those specs it's very meh.

 

[gecko]

The true specs will decide but looking at those specs it's very meh.

Beauty is in the eye of the be holder - I'd get one in a flash.

 

[rrcphoto]

There won't be 4k on the 5Ds because it's not meant for that.

Why not? How was the 1DC more meant for it?
If anything a high DR landscape/wildlife cam matches more to 4k than an ultra-speed brick action/sports body.

How are any of the DSLR meant or not meant for 4k?

Only if their is a tech reason can you say it was not meant for it (maybe there was, maybe not, you certainly can't likely expect a full sensor read from the 50MP cam for video, but a on chip bin mode like 5D3 seems like it could have worked, although I can't know for sure, perhaps not as maybe it is a Sony chip and Sony didn't make with binned 4k and Canon wanted a high DR camera and couldn't make one themselves and there you have it high DR amazing stills but no 4k??).

yawn.
the A7II has no 4K . heck even the A7S has no internal 4K.
the A7R has no 4K.
the D750, D810, D4s, D610 has no 4k.
do you see where I'm going here?

And you hit the nail to my point. The a7r and a7s released at the same price. One did high res, one did superb video at 4k (lack of internal recording was a physical design constraint..but it CAN do it). So here comes Canon. We have a high res 5 body and (perhaps) a 4k body in a subsequent 5D4 that is ALSO a fantastic all around camera that CAN record internally 4k... If both are $4k then that is the same price as an a7s plus Shogun.

canon obviously has the capability of doing internal 4K, since they were the first to do it in an SLR/ILC.

and it makes far more sense to have this on the more general purpose body that started the DLSR video revolution than it would a studio camera.

However I'm pinning it down to eeyore syndrome .. some just can be happy with anything.

 

[Fr3nzy Photography]

Looking forward to the inevitable 5Ds vs 645z shoot-out. ;D

As my first post (been reading for about a year or two), this is what I am certainly looking for. I've been looking to step to MF for my landscapes for a bit now, and was heavily considering a 645D since they've come down in price a bit. Plus I read some reviews that had it ahead of Nikon's D810 (might have been the D800E, I don't remember 100%) when it came to large prints - think 24"x32" and up. That's not to say that Nikon's didn't perform well, and if this beast of a 5Ds comes in and that mark or higher, I'm in. I'd love to get close to MF quality without having to break the bank and build any entirely separate system.