Bingo! New Canon 5Ds has 50.6 MP new rumored specs

[9VIII]

On the topic "which version to get" that is with or without AA filter, it will depend if you care about pixel peep crispness or real image quality. AA filter is a good idea, sure it will reduce crispness but also take away most false colors and aliasing, and moire. Diffraction won't kill aliasing fully until you're up at f/16, so yes AA filter is the way to go.

But what will happen of course is that people will prefer pixel peep crispness over aliasing, jaggies, moire (because most don't really know about these issues or choose to ignore them) and buy the 5DsR and the next high res camera will only exist without AA filter, that was the case with the D800 and I think the same will happen here.

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Just use Sunny 16!
And f11 should still mostly work, I've been using f16 and f22 in most of my macro shots lately anyway. If you know about the problem then the solution is easy.
Hopefully we'll see some Gigapixel cameras soon, then we could shoot moire free all way up to f2.8! At that point lens resolution might take care of the problem anyway.

 

[LovePhotography]

This is also the first time a Canon DSLR has had an intervalometer.

7D2?

Yes, the 7DII has an intervalometer. Once again, dilbert has managed to demonstrate his lack of technical knowledge.

Dilbert, have you forgotten the oath you took when you signed up for this chat room to only "tell the truth and nothing but the truth"?
Heaven forbid somebody say something inaccurate in casual conversation, not when The Punisher is on the lookout. Remember, you're under oath.
Shame on you.

 

[LovePhotography]

It doesn't say anything about a battery either, so does this mean we have to plug it into the wall? Damn.... And nothing about a warranty either. I guess Canon gave up on those too along with viewfinders.

Think I'll wait for the official (and complete) spec list before I start bemoaning these cameras ;D

+1

 

[LovePhotography]

On the topic "which version to get" that is with or without AA filter, it will depend if you care about pixel peep crispness or real image quality. AA filter is a good idea, sure it will reduce crispness but also take away most false colors and aliasing, and moire. Diffraction won't kill aliasing fully until you're up at f/16, so yes AA filter is the way to go.

But what will happen of course is that people will prefer pixel peep crispness over aliasing, jaggies, moire (because most don't really know about these issues or choose to ignore them) and buy the 5DsR and the next high res camera will only exist without AA filter, that was the case with the D800 and I think the same will happen here.

So, which software is best at correcting moire, etc?

I think only one of these will survive more than a year or two. Like Blue Ray vs (whatever that other was called) Betamax vs VHS, etc...

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

There won't be 4k on the 5Ds because it's not meant for that.

Why not? How was the 1DC more meant for it?
If anything a high DR landscape/wildlife cam matches more to 4k than an ultra-speed brick action/sports body.

How are any of the DSLR meant or not meant for 4k?

Only if their is a tech reason can you say it was not meant for it (maybe there was, maybe not, you certainly can't likely expect a full sensor read from the 50MP cam for video, but a on chip bin mode like 5D3 seems like it could have worked, although I can't know for sure, perhaps not as maybe it is a Sony chip and Sony didn't make with binned 4k and Canon wanted a high DR camera and couldn't make one themselves and there you have it high DR amazing stills but no 4k??).

Don't need a tech reason. It's a model line up reason. This is looking like a studio stills machine. With a separate 5D4 coming later, it seems to make more sense to drop 4k into your all-around machine... Because then they can sell it at 3500-4000 just like the 5DS will probably be and have that major distinction to justify the pricie strategy? I'm guessing my friend

still makes no sense, assuming of course there wasn't some tech reason like say it is Sony chip and it happens to not bin for video and that is that and they wanted to get us more DR and this was the only way, in that case it makes plenty of sense, otherwise not so much

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

There won't be 4k on the 5Ds because it's not meant for that.

Why not? How was the 1DC more meant for it?
If anything a high DR landscape/wildlife cam matches more to 4k than an ultra-speed brick action/sports body.

How are any of the DSLR meant or not meant for 4k?

Only if their is a tech reason can you say it was not meant for it (maybe there was, maybe not, you certainly can't likely expect a full sensor read from the 50MP cam for video, but a on chip bin mode like 5D3 seems like it could have worked, although I can't know for sure, perhaps not as maybe it is a Sony chip and Sony didn't make with binned 4k and Canon wanted a high DR camera and couldn't make one themselves and there you have it high DR amazing stills but no 4k??).

yawn.
the A7II has no 4K . heck even the A7S has no internal 4K.
the A7R has no 4K.
the D750, D810, D4s, D610 has no 4k.
do you see where I'm going here? and some of these cameras are even brand spanking new.

so lots of other new stuff does and plenty more later this year
and you want to be a leader not a total follower

but if they at least get every bit of stills top notch....

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

There won't be 4k on the 5Ds because it's not meant for that.

Why not? How was the 1DC more meant for it?
If anything a high DR landscape/wildlife cam matches more to 4k than an ultra-speed brick action/sports body.

How are any of the DSLR meant or not meant for 4k?

Only if their is a tech reason can you say it was not meant for it (maybe there was, maybe not, you certainly can't likely expect a full sensor read from the 50MP cam for video, but a on chip bin mode like 5D3 seems like it could have worked, although I can't know for sure, perhaps not as maybe it is a Sony chip and Sony didn't make with binned 4k and Canon wanted a high DR camera and couldn't make one themselves and there you have it high DR amazing stills but no 4k??).

Don't need a tech reason. It's a model line up reason. This is looking like a studio stills machine. With a separate 5D4 coming later, it seems to make more sense to drop 4k into your all-around machine... Because then they can sell it at 3500-4000 just like the 5DS will probably be and have that major distinction to justify the pricie strategy? I'm guessing my friend

agreed - not to mention;

Some could actually think and go - hmm line skipping a 50Mp sensor would be HELL and horrid with tons of artifacts.
And then they could also go .. hmm. binning each frame in firmware for 4k output would be insane on processing.

but no.. can't have logic and common sense

you bin in HW not firmware, what good is firmware binning? at that point it means you had to have been able to read the entire sensor every frame so why even bin then if that was possible?

and the 5D3 bins 23MP so why three years later is 2x the bin crazy?

I mean maybe it turns out with how they make their chips it can't handle heat or whatnot of even a little more binning or mayne it's some thrid party chip thta just doesn't do it and that would make sense.

 

[PerfectSavage]

There won't be 4k on the 5Ds because it's not meant for that.

Why not? How was the 1DC more meant for it?
If anything a high DR landscape/wildlife cam matches more to 4k than an ultra-speed brick action/sports body.

How are any of the DSLR meant or not meant for 4k?

Only if their is a tech reason can you say it was not meant for it (maybe there was, maybe not, you certainly can't likely expect a full sensor read from the 50MP cam for video, but a on chip bin mode like 5D3 seems like it could have worked, although I can't know for sure, perhaps not as maybe it is a Sony chip and Sony didn't make with binned 4k and Canon wanted a high DR camera and couldn't make one themselves and there you have it high DR amazing stills but no 4k??).

yawn.
the A7II has no 4K . heck even the A7S has no internal 4K.
the A7R has no 4K.
the D750, D810, D4s, D610 has no 4k.
do you see where I'm going here?

And you hit the nail to my point. The a7r and a7s released at the same price. One did high res, one did superb video at 4k (lack of internal recording was a physical design constraint..but it CAN do it). So here comes Canon. We have a high res 5 body and (perhaps) a 4k body in a subsequent 5D4 that is ALSO a fantastic all around camera that CAN record internally 4k... If both are $4k then that is the same price as an a7s plus Shogun.

Sounds like you need an A7S and Shogun, STAT, then! Get on it! 99% of those who will buy the 5Ds have no interest in video....and 100% of that 1% will have no use for 4K...just as most who own 4K cameras don't.

 

[eninja]

Hmmm, still no features like:
- touch screen
- GPS
- Wi-Fi
- NFC
- fast AF in live view
- pop-up flash

I guess Canon believes only people who pay less than $1,000 for a camera deserve those. (Or those who leave them and go Sony.) The more you pay, the less you get. Makes sense, right?

And please don't come with the usual BS "only amateurs need those features" crap. The touch screen on the new 5500D can be used to pick focus points with your thumb when not even in live view. In ten years, every pro camera will have those features. A pro camera should be just as easy to use as a smartphone camera. As long as that's not the case, volumes will keep falling like they have since the first iPhone came out. and CaNikon deserve it.

only amateurs NEED those features.

 

[Famateur]

I'd rather use 36MP Exmor for that stuff than just 14MP more and worse DR.

Not holding my breath, but if the rumor that it's a Canon sensor from a new process is true, we could be pleasantly surprised on the dynamic range front...

Canon increasing dr *and* res significantly at the same time? "Oink oink flap flap"

Love the image, but there's just not enough dynamic range in the scene to impress me. Maybe if you had shot it directly into the sun...

Seriously, though...you may be right. It feels nice to hope, though, even if it might be a little naive.

 

[Famateur]

Famateur, having read the last few pages of all your posts, I have to say you're one of the few on here who really gets it. Canon has obviously created a whole new line up to suit each professional need. There won't be 4k on the 5Ds because it's not meant for that. My prediction is that we see a 1DX2 before the 5D4. Both of these rigs will have 4K. The 1DC just got a $4000 price drop. It's now $7999. Releasing a new 1DX2 also at $7k+ makes no sense with a 1DC at the same price. The 1DC is being phased out I bet. The 1DX and 1DC will become the 1DX2. A 1DC now is nothing more than exactly a 1DX with 4k added. If a 1DX2 comes out with DPAF...which it most assuredly will... A 1DC is suddenly a bit of a dog. What I think we will get at the end of the summer is an all around 25mp ish 5D4 and 20.2MP 1DX2 both with DPAF and 4k capability with the 1DX2 blasting 14FPS, some obscene number of AF points spread wide across the frame and fabulous low light high ISO ability along with the full time video AF features in the 7D2 and maybe even a Real audio preamp for mic input.

Thanks...it's fun trying to piece everything together from a combination of legitimate clues and wild speculation.

Your thoughts on the fate of the 1DC are interesting -- the price drop sure seems to be a signal that they could make a major change in the Cinema line.

One thing is sure: Canon is making a move, and that's exciting (to me, anyway). There will be plenty who complain about the move, no matter which way it goes, but I'm still excited.

 

[K]

This camera is obviously for landscape and studio work. Remember that canon isn't a body...its a system. With the latest L lenses being sharper than nikon, and 50 mp... We should see some amazing results. If the rumors are true about lack of video features..that further confirms this is a landscape and studio machine. No one uses even 1600 ISO in studio or landscapes. Why all the fuss. Wait for the 5d4 to complain about iso when those specs arrive.

 

[PhilA]

This camera is obviously for landscape and studio work. Remember that canon isn't a body...its a system. With the latest L lenses being sharper than nikon, and 50 mp... We should see some amazing results. If the rumors are true about lack of video features..that further confirms this is a landscape and studio machine. No one uses even 1600 ISO in studio or landscapes. Why all the fuss. Wait for the 5d4 to complain about iso when those specs arrive.

+1. This will be my 1Ds Mk III replacement for studio and landscape work. Continue using the 1Dx for action. Not interested in video. All good! ;D

 

[sanj]

The true specs will decide but looking at those specs it's very meh.

Beauty is in the eye of the be holder - I'd get one in a flash.

Me too… Will order as soon as I decide between the S or normal.

 

[Spiros Zaharakis]

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100% of that 1% will have no use for 4K...just as most who own 4K cameras don't.
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You obviously have no clue about video.

 

[K]

This camera is obviously for landscape and studio work. Remember that canon isn't a body...its a system. With the latest L lenses being sharper than nikon, and 50 mp... We should see some amazing results. If the rumors are true about lack of video features..that further confirms this is a landscape and studio machine. No one uses even 1600 ISO in studio or landscapes. Why all the fuss. Wait for the 5d4 to complain about iso when those specs arrive.

+1. This will be my 1Ds Mk III replacement for studio and landscape work. Continue using the 1Dx for action. Not interested in video. All good! ;D

I have no interest in video either, but I'm not interested in high megapixel since I don't focus on landscape work. The massive 55+ mb files from this thing is a workflow concern for me, and this is still considering I have high end computer gear. I'm one of those people that will wait for the 5D4 "event" camera. I think this thing could be the landscape king, and a "poor man's medium format" for the studio.

I mentioned in a previous post the desire for a crop mode. This is great news, but I doubt it will come with any if much FPS increase. The rumored ISO level is not good for events. I'm one of those people that takes whatever is advertised by Canon/Nikon as the highest "native" ISO, and I reduce it by 1 or 2 stops and then consider that to be the minimally useful quality. Example, if 6400 is the max, 3200 is probably the max useful ISO on the camera.

But again, I can't complain about a camera not designed or marketed toward users like myself. This thing sounds great for the target market, the same exact way the 7D2 incredible for its target market. Canon's product road map looks better than ever - they seem to be really creating cameras to please the various types of pro-level DSLR users.


I will say this though - I'm extremely eager to see the results of this 50mp sensor.

I know for a fact that the Canon 24-70 II on both the 20.2mp 6D and 22.3mp 5D3 out resolves the Nikon 24-70 on all Nikon 24mp FF bodies. The Nikon has the MP advantage and newer tech advantage on sensor - it should stand to reason that there is nothing holding back their 24-70 for and apples to apples. It is Canon with the mp disadvantage.

This is an indication that current Canon sensors cannot take advantage of the improved optical quality of the newest L lenses like the 24-70, 70-200, 16-35...No sensor is ever 100% efficient or gives its full resolution, but I anticipate that there is a significant amount of unused potential in the latest L lenses we haven't been able to see yet.

 

[GuyF]

Looking forward to the inevitable 5Ds vs 645z shoot-out. ;D

As my first post (been reading for about a year or two), this is what I am certainly looking for. I've been looking to step to MF for my landscapes for a bit now, and was heavily considering a 645D since they've come down in price a bit. Plus I read some reviews that had it ahead of Nikon's D810 (might have been the D800E, I don't remember 100%) when it came to large prints - think 24"x32" and up. That's not to say that Nikon's didn't perform well, and if this beast of a 5Ds comes in and that mark or higher, I'm in. I'd love to get close to MF quality without having to break the bank and build any entirely separate system.

I'd love to go medium format - images often look so "velvety" (if you get my meaning), excellent colours, tonal definition etc. etc. But I wonder how many people will read the 50mp headline in the forthcoming adverts and expect the new 5Ds to go toe to toe with MF sensors? I think they'll be in for a shock when they see what lots of tiny photosites on a full-frame sensor give you when compared to the same number on a MF sensor.

I think someone's gonna be disappointed!

 

[Light_Pilgrim]

Many people notice that it is going to be a camera designed for landscape and portrait/studio photographers. It is obvious that Canon is trying to give the best possible tool to this specific segment of photographers. Why other people complain that it is not a camera for them? Do not think about yourself only, try to be happy that landscape and studio photographers are getting a superb camera body.

There different types of cars:
1. Family vans
2. SUVs
3. Coupes
4. Sedans
5. Small city cars
6. Big tracks
7. Hypercars

Do you complain that you cannot pull a trailer with Ferrari Italia?
Do you expect dodge ram to have the same gas consumption as Toyota Yaris?

Silly right?

This is how it looks. It is a camera designed to suit a specific segment. Accept it. There will be a camera for you if you are not into landscape or studio. I am extremely happy to see this announcement.

 

[sanj]

Not excited. ISO 6400 camera is not for me. Where is 5D MK4?

Really? Hmmm

 

[gecko]

Not excited. ISO 6400 camera is not for me. Where is 5D MK4?

Really? Hmmm

I'm looking fr landscape camera with a squillionty megapickles and 50 frames/sec.

Srly - i'd be very happy, with ISO 25-1600.