Bingo! New Canon 5Ds has 50.6 MP new rumored specs

[PureClassA]

I have read some of the messages...

The two Canon 5d's are Studio Cameras. The 50mp Sensor is Produced by Sony! Now we all know Canon loves to way over price their cameras, that Cinema Camera comes to mind on that point...I am guessing $3,500 to almost to $5,000.

There is no confirmation the sensor is produced by Sony. Not saying it isn't. But there is no confirmation it is. In fact, Canon Watch had a subsequent CW3 (CR 1-2 equivalent) that it is NOT Sony, but Canon. And No Canon doesn't over price their cameras. Everyone thought the 7D2 was going to be $2500+ while kept saying no way, it'll be under $2000 just like the older model. Wham. Same thing with the 100-400 Mk2. Everyone thinking $3000+. I said $2000-$2500. Wham. As you can see I'm planning on going 3 for 3 ;-) The new Studio Rigs will be between $3500-$4000 (maaaaaybe $4200 high side but I'm not feeling' it. They are there to compete with a D810. The 5D4 will Also be the same price as it will have 4k included where these Studio models will not. The Prognosticator hath spoken! ;D

+1 if you are right...

I heared that Canon was indeed thinking of using an non-Canon sensor on one of the tryout-models oft the 7DII, but decided not to do this. I read somewhere in the past, that there was an 24MP sensor in the wild with great specifications (better DR, better ISO,...). The poster wrote, Canon was happy with this sensor, but they were in fear that an marvellous 7DII will "crop" al lot 5D... buyers.

I dunno about the other sensor. But my only slight qualm in prediction is the fact that the 5d4 is rumored not be announced until late summer. That does throw a bit of a monkey wrench into the call I'm making, but I'm wondering if the 5D3 itself doesn't get an official price drop the same day the 5DS is officially announced, preserving that sacred $3500ish marketing space for the new studio gems. That would make a ton of sense. Drop the 5D3 to, say, $2799MSRP (where the street will go $2500) and $3500-$4000 opens back up for a 5D4. Look, they just did it with the 1DC to start phasing it out and the DX2 isn't even rumored yet (so far as specs). This is gonna be VERY VERY banner year for Canon no matter how you slice it.

 

[xps]

For me personally, the question is:

Will the rumored (http://www.techtoyreviews.com/canon-5ds-image-leaked-price-tag-3800/) 3800$ (5DS) or the 4300$ (5DsR) be worth the price, Canon will want to have for it?

Or wait for an 5DIV, an goldenegglayingwoolmilksaw??? But how much will this be????

 

[Lee Jay]

It would be really funny if Canon charges more to NOT include one of the most expensive items in the camera, and that some people decide to pay extra for NOT getting a component that improves image quality.

 

[PureClassA]

Yeah I'm willing to bet the R is NOT more expensive than the S. I wonder if they won't be the exact same price. Same the 5D4 when it comes out.

 

[PhotographyFirst]

For me personally, the question is:

Will the rumored (http://www.techtoyreviews.com/canon-5ds-image-leaked-price-tag-3800/) 3800$ (5DS) or the 4300$ (5DsR) be worth the price, Canon will want to have for it?

Or wait for an 5DIV, an goldenegglayingwoolmilksaw??? But how much will this be????

Those prices are way too high. If true, Canon killed the success of this camera right out the door. It can't be more than the D810. If anything it needs to be less, as most people looking for higher MP and higher DR have already moved to Nikon. I doubt many people are going to pay more for something with just more MP. 36MP is already taxing out many lenses and is a huge amount of detail!

I can't even think of a single professional landscape photographer who hasn't moved on to an A7R or D800/810 by now, who shoots with 35mm format gear.

 

[AvTvM]

sorry, may have overlooked it: but what does the "ITR AF" on the rumored spec list stand for?

- AF 61 points (41 points cross type). EV-2 support.
- ITR AF

Thanks

 

[rs]

sorry, may have overlooked it: but what does the "ITR AF" on the rumored spec list stand for?

- AF 61 points (41 points cross type). EV-2 support.
- ITR AF

Thanks

Intelligent Tracking and Recognition Auto Focus

http://www.learn.usa.canon.com/resources/articles/2013/eos1dx_afpoint_selection_using_color_information.shtml

 

[xps]

For me personally, the question is:

Will the rumored (http://www.techtoyreviews.com/canon-5ds-image-leaked-price-tag-3800/) 3800$ (5DS) or the 4300$ (5DsR) be worth the price, Canon will want to have for it?

Or wait for an 5DIV, an goldenegglayingwoolmilksaw??? But how much will this be????

Those prices are way too high. If true, Canon killed the success of this camera right out the door. It can't be more than the D810. If anything it needs to be less, as most people looking for higher MP and higher DR have already moved to Nikon. I doubt many people are going to pay more for something with just more MP. 36MP is already taxing out many lenses and is a huge amount of detail!

I can't even think of a single professional landscape photographer who hasn't moved on to an A7R or D800/810 by now, who shoots with 35mm format gear.

Sir, I am just an hobby photographer, but why shouldn´t Canon drain our wallet as much they can?
Look at Apple, whose iPhones are just incremental better than the earlier model? But on each sucessor, the price moves up and up....

Edit: My son in law mentioned, that the a7rII (successor) will be priced significantly lower than 3000Euro, at 2500+-. As many parts of the camera-systems are better from Canon, the pricetag could be true

 

[V8Beast]

This time Next Month after at least 25+ years, I will be switching, I held on, foolishly hoping and hoping they would get the act together then out comes the 1dx which to be honest is not even as good as the mkiv on working ISO j-peg output.

So let me get this straight. After 25+ years of shooting Canon, you wait until one month before switching to Nikon to come onto this forum and complain? Makes perfect sense to me

 

[paulrossjones]

does anyone know what "EV-2 support" is?

 

[lintoni]

For me personally, the question is:

Will the rumored (http://www.techtoyreviews.com/canon-5ds-image-leaked-price-tag-3800/) 3800$ (5DS) or the 4300$ (5DsR) be worth the price, Canon will want to have for it?

Or wait for an 5DIV, an goldenegglayingwoolmilksaw??? But how much will this be????

Those prices are way too high. If true, Canon killed the success of this camera right out the door. It can't be more than the D810. If anything it needs to be less, as most people looking for higher MP and higher DR have already moved to Nikon. I doubt many people are going to pay more for something with just more MP. 36MP is already taxing out many lenses and is a huge amount of detail!

I can't even think of a single professional landscape photographer who hasn't moved on to an A7R or D800/810 by now, who shoots with 35mm format gear.

I can.

 

[PureClassA]

For me personally, the question is:

Will the rumored (http://www.techtoyreviews.com/canon-5ds-image-leaked-price-tag-3800/) 3800$ (5DS) or the 4300$ (5DsR) be worth the price, Canon will want to have for it?

Or wait for an 5DIV, an goldenegglayingwoolmilksaw??? But how much will this be????

Those prices are way too high. If true, Canon killed the success of this camera right out the door. It can't be more than the D810. If anything it needs to be less, as most people looking for higher MP and higher DR have already moved to Nikon. I doubt many people are going to pay more for something with just more MP. 36MP is already taxing out many lenses and is a huge amount of detail!

I can't even think of a single professional landscape photographer who hasn't moved on to an A7R or D800/810 by now, who shoots with 35mm format gear.

Why then does the 5D3 continue to sell so well and be used by WAY more professional photographers than any Sony? Canon will sell a boatload of these AND the 5D4 will sell even more. Sony has not the same level of AF capability, the ergonomics, or especially the competitive and unique glass Canon has. Nor does it have so nearly a loyal following. One of the biggest reasons for this is three simple letters. CPS. Canon Professional Services. Sony can barely spell customer service. Neither can most other companies. Even Nikon's pales in comparison to Canon. This is a critical measure for real pros who demand high levels of and super fast service. Try getting a major repair done on a $2500 lens with Sony with a door to door turnaround time of 3 days. Canon does it.

 

[AdjustedInCamera]

At the risk of seeming very dim on a popular thread...

Is true that all the AA filter is doing is smoothing things out a bit?

On that basis, if someone goes with no AA filter, and gets moire/etc., they can just smooth it out in PP?

The AA filter is a blur filter, and yes it smooths things out. This cannot be done in post processing. The AA filter does it to the incoming light before sampling. Once the signal has been digitally sampled, the damage is done. You can use a few tricks to try and hide it, but the original signal cannot be recovered, even theoretically.

Here's a comparison of the D800e (no AA filter) to the D800. Note the vertical lines and blue/magenta colored streaks in the D800e image (top). Neither one exists. The D800 in the bottom has them too but to a much smaller degree (it has an effective, but imperfect AA filter). This a completely black and white area with nothing but horizontal lines.

Okay, thanks for this.

So while it's true that the AA is smoothing things out, it's actually only smoothing out the high-frequencies (edges, sharp patterns, etc.) that the sensor doesn't have the resolution to record correctly anyway. Trying to record these sharp patterns with a sensor without an AA filter will result in artefacts that are then impossible to selectively remove from the digital image.

So do the parts of an image without sharp patterns get recorded equally well with and without an AA filter?

 

[ajfotofilmagem]

Memory Card SD-HC only until speed UHS-I, if there is already UHS-II? ???

 

[raptor3x]

does anyone know what "EV-2 support" is?

That's the one that's piqued my interest. As much as I'm against giving up the OVF, I would be very happy if you could add on an EVF through the hotshoe like on the Olympus Pen cameras.

 

[Lee Jay]

At the risk of seeming very dim on a popular thread...

Is true that all the AA filter is doing is smoothing things out a bit?

On that basis, if someone goes with no AA filter, and gets moire/etc., they can just smooth it out in PP?

The AA filter is a blur filter, and yes it smooths things out. This cannot be done in post processing. The AA filter does it to the incoming light before sampling. Once the signal has been digitally sampled, the damage is done. You can use a few tricks to try and hide it, but the original signal cannot be recovered, even theoretically.

Here's a comparison of the D800e (no AA filter) to the D800. Note the vertical lines and blue/magenta colored streaks in the D800e image (top). Neither one exists. The D800 in the bottom has them too but to a much smaller degree (it has an effective, but imperfect AA filter). This a completely black and white area with nothing but horizontal lines.

Okay, thanks for this.

So while it's true that the AA is smoothing things out, it's actually only smoothing out the high-frequencies (edges, sharp patterns, etc.) that the sensor doesn't have the resolution to record correctly anyway. Trying to record these sharp patterns with a sensor without an AA filter will result in artefacts that are then impossible to selectively remove from the digital image.

So do the parts of an image without sharp patterns get recorded equally well with and without an AA filter?

That's the idea, but it's actually impossible to build a so-called "brick wall" filter with a perfect pass band and a straight drop to zero right at the Nyquist frequency. So, since that's impossible, some compromise has to be struck. This usually involves some impact on the pass band (where you want everything to get through) and some residual in the stop band (where you want nothing to get through). This is why an AA filter has some impact on the very high frequencies in the final image and yet still allows some aliasing. The small impact on the pass band is why some people don't want the filter at all - they'd rather suffer all the aliasing to get no impact (or, more likely, they're ignorant of the aliasing or the reason for such a filter to exist).

The good news is, modern post processing can compensate for most of the pass band impact. With good AA filters and good processing, it's possible to get about 90% of the theoretical maximum with almost no effect of aliasing.

 

[AvTvM]

does anyone know what "EV-2 support" is?

yes ... central sensor of phase AF-system will work down to light levels of minus 2 EV [@ ISO 100]

has nothing to do with (support for) an electronic viewfinder (EVF).

 

[AvTvM]

sorry, may have overlooked it: but what does the "ITR AF" on the rumored spec list stand for?
Thanks

Intelligent Tracking and Recognition Auto Focus

http://www.learn.usa.canon.com/resources/articles/2013/eos1dx_afpoint_selection_using_color_information.shtml

Thanks, rs!

 

[PureClassA]

At the risk of seeming very dim on a popular thread...

Is true that all the AA filter is doing is smoothing things out a bit?

On that basis, if someone goes with no AA filter, and gets moire/etc., they can just smooth it out in PP?

The AA filter is a blur filter, and yes it smooths things out. This cannot be done in post processing. The AA filter does it to the incoming light before sampling. Once the signal has been digitally sampled, the damage is done. You can use a few tricks to try and hide it, but the original signal cannot be recovered, even theoretically.

Here's a comparison of the D800e (no AA filter) to the D800. Note the vertical lines and blue/magenta colored streaks in the D800e image (top). Neither one exists. The D800 in the bottom has them too but to a much smaller degree (it has an effective, but imperfect AA filter). This a completely black and white area with nothing but horizontal lines.

Okay, thanks for this.

So while it's true that the AA is smoothing things out, it's actually only smoothing out the high-frequencies (edges, sharp patterns, etc.) that the sensor doesn't have the resolution to record correctly anyway. Trying to record these sharp patterns with a sensor without an AA filter will result in artefacts that are then impossible to selectively remove from the digital image.

So do the parts of an image without sharp patterns get recorded equally well with and without an AA filter?

That's the idea, but it's actually impossible to build a so-called "brick wall" filter with a perfect pass band and a straight drop to zero right at the Nyquist frequency. So, since that's impossible, some compromise has to be struck. This usually involves some impact on the pass band (where you want everything to get through) and some residual in the stop band (where you want nothing to get through). This is why an AA filter has some impact on the very high frequencies in the final image and yet still allows some aliasing. The small impact on the pass band is why some people don't want the filter at all - they'd rather suffer all the aliasing to get no impact (or, more likely, they're ignorant of the aliasing or the reason for such a filter to exist).

The good news is, modern post processing can compensate for most of the pass band impact. With good AA filters and good processing, it's possible to get about 90% of the theoretical maximum with almost no effect of aliasing.

Yes, and we have the R version for those who don't mind the extra moire so long as they can resolve that extra spec of dust on a distant gorilla's butt hair.

 

[RickWagoner]

For me personally, the question is:

Will the rumored (http://www.techtoyreviews.com/canon-5ds-image-leaked-price-tag-3800/) 3800$ (5DS) or the 4300$ (5DsR) be worth the price, Canon will want to have for it?

Or wait for an 5DIV, an goldenegglayingwoolmilksaw??? But how much will this be????

Those prices are way too high. If true, Canon killed the success of this camera right out the door. It can't be more than the D810. If anything it needs to be less, as most people looking for higher MP and higher DR have already moved to Nikon. I doubt many people are going to pay more for something with just more MP. 36MP is already taxing out many lenses and is a huge amount of detail!

I can't even think of a single professional landscape photographer who hasn't moved on to an A7R or D800/810 by now, who shoots with 35mm format gear.

Sir, I am just an hobby photographer, but why shouldn´t Canon drain our wallet as much they can?
Look at Apple, whose iPhones are just incremental better than the earlier model? But on each sucessor, the price moves up and up....

Edit: My son in law mentioned, that the a7rII (successor) will be priced significantly lower than 3000Euro, at 2500+-. As many parts of the camera-systems are better from Canon, the pricetag could be true

Actually the very first iPhone was $600 with out any help from AT&T and you still had a locked 2 year contract, after a month or so Apple lowered it $100. The second iPhone came in at $200 or $300 with AT&T contract, no options without the contract either way in USA. Today with contract (to be fair to the original iPhone at $600 with 2 year contract) you can have an iPhone 5C for free that is hundreds times faster and better than the original. So you're wrong on your example...