Bingo! New Canon 5Ds has 50.6 MP new rumored specs

raptor3x said:
paulrossjones said:
does anyone know what "EV-2 support" is?
That's the one that's piqued my interest. As much as I'm against giving up the OVF, I would be very happy if you could add on an EVF through the hotshoe like on the Olympus Pen cameras.
This does NOT seem anything with viewfinder abbreviation.

It seems the sensitivity of the central focal point, capable of working with EV -2, which means something like the lighting of a nightclub.
 
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xps said:
For me personally, the question is:

Will the rumored (http://www.techtoyreviews.com/canon-5ds-image-leaked-price-tag-3800/) 3800$ (5DS) or the 4300$ (5DsR) be worth the price, Canon will want to have for it?

Or wait for an 5DIV, an goldenegglayingwoolmilksaw??? But how much will this be????
Yeah, I`m sure the article is very reliable:
"According to Kenrockwell, which is the most reliable source and famous website for evaluating the camera and lens posted a live photo of Canon 5DS, it’s identical to pictures leaked on the Internet. "
LOL
 
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paulrossjones said:
AvTvM said:
paulrossjones said:
does anyone know what "EV-2 support" is?

yes ... central sensor of phase AF-system will work down to light levels of minus 2 EV [@ ISO 100]

has nothing to do with (support for) an electronic viewfinder (EVF).

bummer

Why?

If you really want an EVF on a 6D, buy a Hoodman or similar. Done.
 
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JS5 said:
So... big sensor, more megapixels ( to keep you buying crap ) after all the technology and research, still could not sync the camera to a higher shutter speed ? Seriously Canon ? Are you serious ? You don't even stretch your focus point to the edges where some of us use daily... Yet you make more megapixels ( which are barely needed ) but you won't make the camera sync at a higher shutter speed ?????????
Canon GET a clue or maybe buy one !!! Listen Canon you make cameras that most sports guys use... why can't you sync the shutter at a higher speed ?
You guys are ridiculous... get off the megapixel wars and make a good camera that syncs faster and the main thing to keep in mind is to shoot it on manual ! For crying out loud !!!
I am disgusted... Shame on you Canon !!!

A higher sync speed requires a physically faster shutter. Extending focus points to the edge is difficult on a full-frame because many lenses don't project a big enough image circle for the edge focus points to see through.
 
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150,000 pixel RGB-TR metering sensor
252 zone TTL metering

I don't get this. I thought the 150,000 pixel metering sensor replaced the 35 zone (and similar) metering sensors. Why would this be specified twice?
 
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PureClassA said:
PhotographyFirst said:
xps said:
For me personally, the question is:

Will the rumored (http://www.techtoyreviews.com/canon-5ds-image-leaked-price-tag-3800/) 3800$ (5DS) or the 4300$ (5DsR) be worth the price, Canon will want to have for it?

Or wait for an 5DIV, an goldenegglayingwoolmilksaw??? But how much will this be????

Those prices are way too high. If true, Canon killed the success of this camera right out the door. It can't be more than the D810. If anything it needs to be less, as most people looking for higher MP and higher DR have already moved to Nikon. I doubt many people are going to pay more for something with just more MP. 36MP is already taxing out many lenses and is a huge amount of detail!

I can't even think of a single professional landscape photographer who hasn't moved on to an A7R or D800/810 by now, who shoots with 35mm format gear.

Why then does the 5D3 continue to sell so well and be used by WAY more professional photographers than any Sony? Canon will sell a boatload of these AND the 5D4 will sell even more. Sony has not the same level of AF capability, the ergonomics, or especially the competitive and unique glass Canon has. Nor does it have so nearly a loyal following. One of the biggest reasons for this is three simple letters. CPS. Canon Professional Services. Sony can barely spell customer service. Neither can most other companies. Even Nikon's pales in comparison to Canon. This is a critical measure for real pros who demand high levels of and super fast service. Try getting a major repair done on a $2500 lens with Sony with a door to door turnaround time of 3 days. Canon does it.


To be precise they will have to repair within 48 hours and give you a replacement.
 
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"50.6mp full frame CMOS
53mp total resolution
"

???

" RAW (50MP), M-RAW (28MP), S-RAW (12.4MP)
Crop modes 1.3x and 1.6x
"

So which is it? The dumb mRAW,sRAW stuff that rob you of all reach for wildlife and don't give you the true quality of a real RAW file either or useful crop modes? Or, best of all, both?


"Continuous shooting 5 frames / sec"

In all modes? Did Canon a dumb one and NOT use cropped modes which maintain full reach and allow for faster fps and just use the silly mRAW and sRAW stuff that rob you of reach and don't allow for more fps???

Or is the info just incomplete?

The way Nikon does it make their bodies a LOT better for general usage, since you get slow speed for FF but then nice speed with nice reach for sports and wildlife with true cropped RAW.

Will Canon be obstinate and refuse to 'lose face' that their way makes less sense or not?

"Video 1920×1080 30fps (ALL-I or IPB)
"

Hello 2007!!!!!
And of course it won't even have the basic usability features of zebras or focusing aids or RAW historgram, etc. etc.
 
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AvTvM said:
paulrossjones said:
does anyone know what "EV-2 support" is?

yes ... central sensor of phase AF-system will work down to light levels of minus 2 EV [@ ISO 100]

has nothing to do with (support for) an electronic viewfinder (EVF).
:D
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-NEZxYw40jMK/p_280EV2SMS/Canon-EV2.html

h280EV2SMS-o_detail3.jpg
 
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LetTheRightLensIn said:
"50.6mp full frame CMOS
53mp total resolution
"

???

All CMOS sensors have pixels that are masked out. This is often used for black point calibration.

" RAW (50MP), M-RAW (28MP), S-RAW (12.4MP)
Crop modes 1.3x and 1.6x
"

So which is it? The dumb mRAW,sRAW stuff that rob you of all reach for wildlife and don't give you the true quality of a real RAW file either or useful crop modes? Or, best of all, both?

Both. I'm sorry Canon is still using mraw and sraw despite the existence of the far-superior approach in the new DNG spec - lossy raw compression and/or downsampling.
 
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LetTheRightLensIn said:
"Video 1920×1080 30fps (ALL-I or IPB)
"

Hello 2007!!!!!

Gee...I don't even have an HD TV yet. The only HD device in my house is my computer. I may buy a 4k device later this year, but it will be used as a computer monitor. I'm not planning to replace my CRT SD TVs at any point in the foreseeable future.
 
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LetTheRightLensIn said:
"50.6mp full frame CMOS
53mp total resolution
"

???

" RAW (50MP), M-RAW (28MP), S-RAW (12.4MP)
Crop modes 1.3x and 1.6x
"

So which is it? The dumb mRAW,sRAW stuff that rob you of all reach for wildlife and don't give you the true quality of a real RAW file either or useful crop modes? Or, best of all, both?


"Continuous shooting 5 frames / sec"

In all modes? Did Canon a dumb one and NOT use cropped modes which maintain full reach and allow for faster fps and just use the silly mRAW and sRAW stuff that rob you of reach and don't allow for more fps???

Or is the info just incomplete?

The way Nikon does it make their bodies a LOT better for general usage, since you get slow speed for FF but then nice speed with nice reach for sports and wildlife with true cropped RAW.

Will Canon be obstinate and refuse to 'lose face' that their way makes less sense or not?

"Video 1920×1080 30fps (ALL-I or IPB)
"

Hello 2007!!!!!
And of course it won't even have the basic usability features of zebras or focusing aids or RAW historgram, etc. etc.

Guessing rumor misinterpretation. Time will tell. And obviously they are dilberately not tuning this for video use whatsoever to preserve the same price point for a 5D4, I'm betting.
 
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PureClassA said:
Guessing rumor misinterpretation. Time will tell. And obviously they are dilberately not tuning this for video use whatsoever to preserve the same price point for a 5D4, I'm betting.

FF = 50.6MP
1.3 crop (really, 1.25 if it's like the 1D-1DIV) = 32.4MP
1.6 crop = 19.8MP

Since they don't match the mraw and sraw specs, I'm guessing it has full-frame mraw and sraw modes on top of the crop modes.
 
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Lee Jay said:
LetTheRightLensIn said:
"50.6mp full frame CMOS
53mp total resolution
"

???

All CMOS sensors have pixels that are masked out. This is often used for black point calibration.

OK, well they phrased it weirdly since normally you'd say a 53MP FF sensor with 50.6MP actual resolution.

Both. I'm sorry Canon is still using mraw and sraw despite the existence of the far-superior approach in the new DNG spec - lossy raw compression and/or downsampling.

Yeah.
But it is really certain it has the true crop modes too and that it wasn't just a mistaken bit of info mixing up mRAW and sRAW with cropped modes?

I hope they are there and I hope they were like Nikon and give it a boost to 6-7fps in those modes.
 
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Lee Jay said:
LetTheRightLensIn said:
"Video 1920×1080 30fps (ALL-I or IPB)
"

Hello 2007!!!!!

Gee...I don't even have an HD TV yet. The only HD device in my house is my computer. I may buy a 4k device later this year, but it will be used as a computer monitor. I'm not planning to replace my CRT SD TVs at any point in the foreseeable future.

1. You are in the extreme minority still using SD 4:3 CRT for movies/TV. (personally I've had HD1080P TV since early 2007 and HD1080 tuner for computer monitor since something like 2005)
2. even you say you are going 4k for a monitor later this year and that could certainly be used to view 4k no?
3. 4k allows for much better quality 1080P overall
4. 4k can act as a 2x TC for 1080P wildlife
5. 4k allows for panning in 1080P frame

beyond just not having 4k, it sounds like no zebras, focusing aids, raw historgram, no 1080p60, not even the (granted in many ways useless, at least from a quality standpoint) clean HDMI out, for all we know it might even have aliasing (so far only 1DX and 5D3 have provided video without bad aliasing from Canon)


Granted, if they the stills totlaly knocks it out of the park (exmor performance, 50MP, 6+ fps in cropped modes, etc.) the video could be forgiven (although still a shame and a major lost selling point that will cost Canon money one way or another) and the stills would be totally amazing.
 
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PureClassA said:
Lee Jay said:
150,000 pixel RGB-TR metering sensor
252 zone TTL metering

I don't get this. I thought the 150,000 pixel metering sensor replaced the 35 zone (and similar) metering sensors. Why would this be specified twice?

Wondered the same thing
It is an improved 1D X metering system, the same in the 7D MkII, the 150000 pixels are divided into the 252 zones for a greater coverage. You can read more about it now in 7D Mk II reviews or Canon information pages.
 
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