Bingo! New Canon 5Ds has 50.6 MP new rumored specs

[jeffa4444]

How is this thread tracking in terms of all time popularity?

Just wait until sample RAW files show up and it only has 10 stops of DR. It will hit 1000 pages.

Very true. ;D)

more:

If it arrives with 6 stops it will hit 38 pages (since even fanboys will be sickened a that point and everyone gives up and goes Nikon/Sony hah).

If it arrives with 10 stops it goes to 1000 pages. ;D)

If it arrives with 14 stops it goes to 38 pages (everyone is happy, a few quick yays from everyone and the thread ends).

If it arrives with 16+ stops it goes to 48-100 pages (since the usual suspects (Keith Reeder, Neuro, etc.) now do a 180 and brag about how Canon is the king and Nikon and Sony are useless because they have such poor DR and how everyone knows that DR is the one and only aspect to a camera that matters and that, of course, at least 75% of all shots taken require a camera with extremely high DR and go on and on about it).

Working with many different DOPs one of the things they constantly ask for is more DR.
The subject was one of the topics at IBC / Photokina / CINEC most talked about and a scientific paper was presented at CINEC that highlighted the human eye ability through scanning a scene rapidly to see between 16-20 stops depending on age, visual acutity and gender (some women have an additional cone) which also affects the number of colors people can see as well. The latest research suggests through the eye & brain ability to adjust to light levels over a 15 min period that more than 20 stops is possible for younger people with twenty / twenty vision.
Having taken numerous photographs in Africa clipping of highlights is an all to frequent problem with the current 11.5 of Canon sensors so I for one would welcome more DR.

 

[Antono Refa]

FHD video, UHS-I, and UDMA7 slots?

I was hoping for dual UHS-I (or even -II) slots, and be done with the pins.

At least because of the dual Digic it should write full speed on the SD card. On the current 5D mkiii this speed is crippled down to hook it up to the internal USB port.

Main point is dumping the CF card, having the SD slots serve as both primary and backup. It would save in camera size and in bent pins in the CF slots.

 

[msatter]

FHD video, UHS-I, and UDMA7 slots?

I was hoping for dual UHS-I (or even -II) slots, and be done with the pins.

At least because of the dual Digic it should write full speed on the SD card. On the current 5D mkiii this speed is crippled down to hook it up to the internal USB port.

Main point is dumping the CF card, having the SD slots serve as both primary and backup. It would save in camera size and in bent pins in the CF slots.

Personally I find SD cards to small and to bent pins then you first have bent them. I use and SD card but only to transfer the control JPG to my tablet and due to the crippeling by Canon it takes to long to write RAW to SD and lets hope Canon will use the gained computing power also in that way.

 

[PhotographyFirst]

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If it arrives with 16+ stops it goes to 48-100 pages (since the usual suspects (Keith Reeder, Neuro, etc.) now do a 180 and brag about how Canon is the king and Nikon and Sony are useless because they have such poor DR and how everyone knows that DR is the one and only aspect to a camera that matters and that, of course, at least 75% of all shots taken require a camera with extremely high DR and go on and on about it).

For > 16 stops, we would have .CR3 files.

The .CR2 file is based on TIFF and is thus limited to 16bits per colour, limiting the image to 16 stops of DR.

Thus supporting more than 16 stops would require a new file format that is incompatible with CR2.

Maybe not! The lower end of the DR is crap anyway, so a 16 EV DR could be clipped at the bottom into a 14 bit file? It would still allow for cleaner shadows than any sexmore sensor available right now using 14 bit.

Would be nice option for smaller file sizes, but massive shadow lifting ability?

 

[Marsu42]

For > 16 stops, we would have .CR3 files. The .CR2 file is based on TIFF and is thus limited to 16bits per colour, limiting the image to 16 stops of DR.

Nope, you're wrong for several reasons:

First off, you said it yourself: it's based (sic!) on tiff, which is the most extensible format around - including floating point tiff or 32bpp integer. If some of the bits are empty, well, that's what it's compressed for.

Next, even this doesn't matter: Canon doesn't even need to register any extension with Adobe - that's why they call it cr2 and not tiff! If they want, they can any new payload they want.

Last not least, as every raw converter needs to be updated *anyway* with each new camera release, the file extension is worth nothing and cr2 just serves as an indicator what the format is at all. If you think the file *extension* still determines the exact *format*, you're being stuck in the 90s

 

[memoriaphoto]

Available in late march/early april huh!!

I'm turning 40 on april 2nd. Just sayin... (hope my wife reads this)

 

[clifflwms]

If it has crop modes, will it have an EVF?

Else how will you be able to see it?

On the Nikon's the full frame area is greyed out in the OVF, you can see through it, but it's obvious where the image is cropped.

 

[PureClassA]

If it has crop modes, will it have an EVF?

Else how will you be able to see it?

On the Nikon's the full frame area is greyed out in the OVF, you can see through it, but it's obvious where the image is cropped.

Or I imagine they could use crop markings overlaid in red akin to the AF points. Lot of ways to do it. Frankly I'd rather they maintain the OVF on the pro bodies. Call em crazy, but I'd rather see straight through the lens itself as is. If I want an EVF I'll switch on the Live View. That said, I can understand EVF necessity for Video/Cinema shooting, but obviously that isn't what this rig was intended for. Maybe there's a chance you see one on the 5D4, but I'm doubtful of that. I'll be the first to admit I haven't seen what I'd call a great EVF so I'm jaded.

 

[AvTvM]

FHD video, UHS-I, and UDMA7 slots?
I was hoping for dual UHS-I (or even -II) slots, and be done with the pins.

At least because of the dual Digic it should write full speed on the SD card. On the current 5D mkiii this speed is crippled down to hook it up to the internal USB port.

Main point is dumping the CF card, having the SD slots serve as both primary and backup. It would save in camera size and in bent pins in the CF slots.

I had never a problem with bent pins and always liked CF cards because of the built-in Controller (as opposed to SD).

But now (2015) I would prefer to standardize all my flash memory cards in Micro-SDXC format (UHS II). I am skipping fully size SD cards.

And of course both Micro-SD slots in a camera should be the same high speed/performance. Fuji X-T1 already has a UHS II SD (not Micro SD) slot. Canon is trailing behind again.

 

[PureClassA]

FHD video, UHS-I, and UDMA7 slots?
I was hoping for dual UHS-I (or even -II) slots, and be done with the pins.

At least because of the dual Digic it should write full speed on the SD card. On the current 5D mkiii this speed is crippled down to hook it up to the internal USB port.

Main point is dumping the CF card, having the SD slots serve as both primary and backup. It would save in camera size and in bent pins in the CF slots.

I had never a problem with bent pins and always liked CF cards because of the built-in Controller (as opposed to SD).

But now (2015) I would prefer to standardize all my flash memory cards in Micro-SDXC format (UHS II). I am skipping fully size SD cards.

And of course both Micro-SD slots in a camera should be the same high speed/performance. Fuji X-T1 already has a UHS II SD (not Micro SD) slot. Canon is trailing behind again.

Ok, I'll be the buzzkill and say I greatly prefer fast CF cards. They are bigger, tougher, and I've never lost one or mistaken for a party snack. I don't mind SD cards but I prefer the heft of CF. And Micro SD?? o lord no. I've broken more of those little bits of junk than I can remember. ;D

 

[Eldar]

FHD video, UHS-I, and UDMA7 slots?
I was hoping for dual UHS-I (or even -II) slots, and be done with the pins.

At least because of the dual Digic it should write full speed on the SD card. On the current 5D mkiii this speed is crippled down to hook it up to the internal USB port.

Main point is dumping the CF card, having the SD slots serve as both primary and backup. It would save in camera size and in bent pins in the CF slots.

I had never a problem with bent pins and always liked CF cards because of the built-in Controller (as opposed to SD).

But now (2015) I would prefer to standardize all my flash memory cards in Micro-SDXC format (UHS II). I am skipping fully size SD cards.

And of course both Micro-SD slots in a camera should be the same high speed/performance. Fuji X-T1 already has a UHS II SD (not Micro SD) slot. Canon is trailing behind again.

Ok, I'll be the buzzkill and say I greatly prefer fast CF cards. They are bigger, tougher, and I've never lost one or mistaken for a party snack. I don't mind SD cards but I prefer the heft of CF. And Micro SD?? o lord no. I've broken more of those little bits of junk than I can remember. ;D

+1
I don´t use SD cards in my 5DIIIs and the 7DII, just CF. I have a good stack of CF cards, which I hope to use for a while longer. I have never broken a CF card (only a card reader), but I have wrecked a few SD cards, which is why I don´t use them.

 

[PureClassA]

Eldar, Yup!

If I have any REAL gripe about the 6D, it's the fact it has no CF slot.

 

[Marsu42]

If I have any REAL gripe about the 6D, it's the fact it has no CF slot.

Personally, I've never had a cf camera - but whenever I happen to have one in my hands it seems bulky like holding a 1980s vhs video cassette in my hands. The size alone these things occupy in a camera...

I see the point of the faster write speeds the premium cards have and the benefit of the on-card controller, but concerning size and capacity I'd rather stay with sd.

 

[mackguyver]

If I have any REAL gripe about the 6D, it's the fact it has no CF slot.

Personally, I've never had a cf camera - but whenever I happen to have one in my hands it seems bulky like holding a 1980s vhs video cassette in my hands. The size alone these things occupy in a camera...

I see the point of the faster write speeds the premium cards have and the benefit of the on-card controller, but concerning size and capacity I'd rather stay with sd.

Marsu, sometimes old is good and big is good. The CF cards size is actually a nice thing as it makes them harder to lose and less likely to be left in a pocket. You can't easily bend or break them, either. It's similar to SD vs. microSD in that way. I know some complain about the pins and bending them, but I have never had a single issue in the 16+ years I've been using CF cards.

 

[ritholtz]

is new rebel going to come with 70D sensor with duel pixel tech. I would like to switch to rebel with small form factor.

 

[PureClassA]

If I have any REAL gripe about the 6D, it's the fact it has no CF slot.

Personally, I've never had a cf camera - but whenever I happen to have one in my hands it seems bulky like holding a 1980s vhs video cassette in my hands. The size alone these things occupy in a camera...

I see the point of the faster write speeds the premium cards have and the benefit of the on-card controller, but concerning size and capacity I'd rather stay with sd.

Marsu, sometimes old is good and big is good. The CF cards size is actually a nice thing as it makes them harder to lose and less likely to be left in a pocket. You can't easily bend or break them, either. It's similar to SD vs. microSD in that way. I know some complain about the pins and bending them, but I have never had a single issue in the 16+ years I've been using CF cards.

I dont think I've ever bent a single pin in all the years, but I've lost/broken more than one SD card. but hey, that's what made the 5D3 and the 7D2 so great. You got one slot for each. I hope they do the same with the S

 

[SwnSng]

Hope it's not more than $4,200. Nikon showed what is in the realm of the possible. Now Canon has the chance to make it better.

If this thing retials for 3999 i'm most likely going to wait until it comes down to 3500...before picking one up. Unless of course it gets some legendary reviews.

 

[docsmith]

Am I the only one that finds a couple of things odd?
[list type=decimal]
[*]We haven't seen any event announcements
[*]Canon doesn't typically announce 4 cameras and a lens at the same time. Typically, they give each their due
[/list]

I know that this is CR3 or to be treated as fact. But if true, why is Canon doing it this way? Announce the 5Ds on its own or with the EF 11-24. Then, two weeks later, announce the rebel and the EOS-M3.

While I have grown to trust this site and am very impressed by how accurate it has been this close to a release...I am not 100% sold on all of these being announced at once.

 

[3kramd5]

But if true, why is Canon doing it this way?

New strategy?

Check out this post:

Canon is finally acting on their deep DSLR sales troubles..
[snip]
My notes from the conference call:
Plan to introduce more DSLR camera models than previous years to stimulate additional demand in this segment.

 

[tphillips63]

This much dynamic range will do, ta

You know I expect you to rent and review one as soon as possible! Time, work, etc., is no excuse ;D