Canon Announces the EOS Rebel T6 (1300D)

[neuroanatomist]

But if they will buy a dedicated camera, depends on the EXTRA VALUE a camera offers them over that smartphone, and when that smartphone actually offers MORE VALUE to them than a dedicated camera in terms of photography with better video, higher FPS, 4k, and WiFI, there is something seriously wrong.

Gee, you forgot megapixels. Nokia offers more MP — MORE VALUE!!! — than most dSLRs.

Does looking at the world through myopic SPECtacles give you a headache? ???

Ah yes...here we go again, when logic fails, rely on falls on uncomprehending eyes, try sarcasm.

Fixed that for ya. Big Brain has nothing constructive to add, so is trying to short circuit a conversation he'd rather not deal with.

Fixed it back. If you seriously think connectivity is not critically important to the future viability of the camera market, I probably can't help you.

Yes, we know connectivity is a hot-button issue for you. You're not totally wrong, but Nini merely mentioned WiFi in a laundry list of 'why smartphones are better than dSLRs', entirely in keeping with his earlier (incorrect) suggestion that the primary reason for declining dSLR sales is competition from smartphones.

It's ok, though – to a hammer, everything is a nail so feel free to take one tossed-in feature and make everything about that. Pound away!

 

[Don Haines]

It's a 7D classic with NFC

but with a newer sensor so probably cleaner images.... for a lot less

I bet it sells well!

 

[Roo]

Food mode on the main dial!?
Oh dear..... had me thinking, "seriously?!"
But likely a very capable entry level DSLR.

Doesn't the addition make it an entrée level camera? ;D

 

[slclick]

Food mode on the main dial!?
Oh dear..... had me thinking, "seriously?!"
But likely a very capable entry level DSLR.

Doesn't the addition make it an entrée level camera? ;D

Oh that was so bad yet so good.


"Dinner was sensational, very exquisite flavors, a true work of art,
you must have a very expensive stove.”

 

[Nininini]

but Nini merely mentioned WiFi in a laundry list of 'why smartphones are better than dSLRs', entirely in keeping with his earlier (incorrect) suggestion that the primary reason for declining dSLR sales is competition from smartphones.

No I didn't. I didn't refer to DSLR in specific, I referred to cameras, including compact, but also beginner cameras like APS-C DSLR, like this 1300D.

I never said smartphones are better...I said they offer MORE VALUE to the Instagram and Snapchat userbase, because these people want easy connectivity, they want to upload their pictures easily, they want portability, they want ease of use, they want apps, they want good video features.

One example...when is canon going to put 60FPS on their rebels? the Apple iPhone is doing 240 fps.

170,000 videos related to 240 fps iPhone video, slow motion is an incredibly popular feature

For someone who likes slow motiong video, the iPhone DOES offer more value to them in terms of photography than this 1300D, or frankly ANY Canon DSLR.

Is the iPhone a "better" camera? Well, that depends, to me it's not. But to millions it is.
The iPhone is easier to use, has more apps, better connectivity, better video features for them, portable, etc.

 

[rrcphoto]

People care about what cameras cost TODAY, not about what they were launched at 3 years ago!

That list price with those specs made sense 3 YEARS AGO...it does not make sense TODAY.

Imagine if the 1DX Mark II, its only upgrade was WiFi and NFC and it cost 30% more than the current 1DX. Would you still say it's fine? Of course not.

The idea that beginners photographers, or people on a budget, can't figure out there are better options, and that they will keep gullibly buying Canon Parts Bin cameras, is a very demeaning way to think about photographers...people can read spec sheets, people have information, people will realize this camera is not up to par.

the specs are totally fine.

you have to consider that the T5 will not be sold anymore and this camera is taking it's place. cameras and other things love to be seen as discounted, everyone loves a bargin - especially at this end of the scale.

from the T5 it now has wifi and nfc and a few other things. it's a reasonable upgrade.

Since the camera isn't even up for sale yet, and this is simply preorder, it's a little early to start crying over it.

if it was a better camera, it would be too close to the T6i, there has to be room there ,as this camera will be selling for less than 250 as a kit refurbished and under $400 as a kit new soon enough.

also it's not 30% more - it's the same as what the T5 came out sans those items.

 

[Nininini]

People care about what cameras cost TODAY, not about what they were launched at 3 years ago!

That list price with those specs made sense 3 YEARS AGO...it does not make sense TODAY.

Imagine if the 1DX Mark II, its only upgrade was WiFi and NFC and it cost 30% more than the current 1DX. Would you still say it's fine? Of course not.

The idea that beginners photographers, or people on a budget, can't figure out there are better options, and that they will keep gullibly buying Canon Parts Bin cameras, is a very demeaning way to think about photographers...people can read spec sheets, people have information, people will realize this camera is not up to par.

the specs are totally fine.

being stuck at 30FPS is not fine in my opinion

when so many videos are being uploaded to youtube in 60FPS, when so many smartphones do 60FPS, the iPhone does 120FPS in full HD...it's not longer fine

being several years behind in terms of specs, is starting to become a running joke when people talk about canon cameras, and it is nowhere as apparent when you put rebels up against smartphones

a 7 year old sensor...how is that fine

imagine if Apple sold their iPhone with the same specs as their iPhone 1, that is the rate of progress for rebels, it's way too slow...and I'm affraid they're going to be losing their rebels to the smartphone market too...they already lost the compact market

 

[scyrene]

Food mode on the main dial!?
Oh dear..... had me thinking, "seriously?!"
But likely a very capable entry level DSLR.

Doesn't the addition make it an entrée level camera? ;D

Thread won.

 

[neuroanatomist]

but Nini merely mentioned WiFi in a laundry list of 'why smartphones are better than dSLRs', entirely in keeping with his earlier (incorrect) suggestion that the primary reason for declining dSLR sales is competition from smartphones.

No I didn't. I didn't refer to DSLR in specific, I referred to cameras, including compact, but also beginner cameras like APS-C DSLR, like this 1300D.

I never said smartphones are better...I said they offer MORE VALUE to the Instagram and Snapchat userbase, because these people want easy connectivity, they want to upload their pictures easily, they want portability, they want ease of use, they want apps, they want good video features.

Well, clearly Canon should offer you a position as a highly paid consultant. You've got this all figured out!

The MAIN VALUE that smartphones offer to a majority are mobile data (WiFi is so last decade) and always with you because it fits in your pocket. I guess you kinda left those off your list, or maybe you think Canon can just flatten the T6 in a hydraulic press to make it competitive. :

 

[The Supplanter]

People care about what cameras cost TODAY, not about what they were launched at 3 years ago!

That list price with those specs made sense 3 YEARS AGO...it does not make sense TODAY.

Imagine if the 1DX Mark II, its only upgrade was WiFi and NFC and it cost 30% more than the current 1DX. Would you still say it's fine? Of course not.

The idea that beginners photographers, or people on a budget, can't figure out there are better options, and that they will keep gullibly buying Canon Parts Bin cameras, is a very demeaning way to think about photographers...people can read spec sheets, people have information, people will realize this camera is not up to par.

the specs are totally fine.

being stuck at 30FPS is not fine in my opinion

when so many videos are being uploaded to youtube in 60FPS, when so many smartphones do 60FPS, the iPhone does 120FPS in full HD...it's not longer fine

being several years behind in terms of specs, is starting to become a running joke when people talk about canon cameras, and it is nowhere as apparent when you put rebels up against smartphones

a 7 year old sensor...how is that fine

imagine if Apple sold their iPhone with the same specs as their iPhone 1, that is the rate of progress for rebels, it's way too slow...and I'm affraid they're going to be losing their rebels to the smartphone market too...they already lost the compact market

Miss Negative Nini,
You should write Canon and ask them to consider you as their new COO, or better yet, just barge in declaring you're it - that suits your style better.

But before you do that, I've got that Depakote you keep forgetting. And please find a way to squeeze some DBT into your schedule.

 

[unfocused]

Yes, we know connectivity is a hot-button issue for you....
...It's ok, though – to a hammer, everything is a nail so feel free to take one tossed-in feature and make everything about that. Pound away!

Point taken. I don't want to become "that guy." However, since about the only difference between the T5 and T6 seems to be the WiFi and NFC, I would disagree that it is one "tossed-in" feature.

That said. I'm content to move on to more important discussions, like how Canon is doomed and losing market share all because the world is demanding more dynamic range in a mirror-less camera. (See, you don't have a monopoly on sarcasm)

 

[neuroanatomist]

Yes, we know connectivity is a hot-button issue for you....
...It's ok, though – to a hammer, everything is a nail so feel free to take one tossed-in feature and make everything about that. Pound away!

Point taken. I don't want to become "that guy." However, since about the only difference between the T5 and T6 seems to be the WiFi and NFC, I would disagree that it is one "tossed-in" feature.

That said. I'm content to move on to more important discussions, like how Canon is doomed and losing market share all because the world is demanding more dynamic range in a mirror-less camera. (See, you don't have a monopoly on sarcasm)

Well played, Sir! ;D

 

[slclick]

Yes, we know connectivity is a hot-button issue for you....
...It's ok, though – to a hammer, everything is a nail so feel free to take one tossed-in feature and make everything about that. Pound away!

Point taken. I don't want to become "that guy." However, since about the only difference between the T5 and T6 seems to be the WiFi and NFC, I would disagree that it is one "tossed-in" feature.

That said. I'm content to move on to more important discussions, like how Canon is doomed and losing market share all because the world is demanding more dynamic range in a mirror-less camera. (See, you don't have a monopoly on sarcasm)

Well played, Sir! ;D

And that is about as close to a Kumbayah moment that we can have around here.

 

[WoodyWindy]

Food mode on the main dial!?
Oh dear..... had me thinking, "seriously?!"
But likely a very capable entry level DSLR.

Doesn't the addition make it an entrée level camera? ;D

Touché!

Has anyone else noticed the unfortunate placement of the food porn mode on the dial relative to the sports mode? It looks like our little stick man is trying to avoid getting stuck...

 

[9VIII]

Cell Phones will be superior to an EOS body when they give me full manual control, a remote release, a tripod mount and at least three different focal lengths (including a dedicated macro lens).

If Apple gives me that, I would consider using it instead of Canon. The importance of convenience is correct, but right now using a cell phone is like comparing a flintlock rifle with a stealth bomber.

And the 1300D is still a perfectly competent bomber in this scenario.
My 1100D is so competent that when I tried using a 5DMkII for a year it just felt like overkill. Wi-Fi would be a good upgrade for Macro though. I'd take a flippy screen but Wi-Fi effectively accomplishes that too.

Quite frankly, for my application, the 1300D is effectively a perfect camera.

 

[Mr. Low Notes]

It's a 7D classic with NFC

"Cat Mode"? ;D Really? My wife would love that.

 

[Bennymiata]

Compared to many better compacts, the t6 seems very cheap to me.

For its target market, it produces great quality photos and they can send their photos to their smartphone.
They'll sell millions of them.

 

[George D.]

Food mode on the main dial!?
Oh dear..... had me thinking, "seriously?!"
But likely a very capable entry level DSLR.

Marketing innovation. We're inundated with TV recipe shows it was inevitable. Next thing you know the first 1000 will be signed by Jamie Oliver. Nikon will reply with Gordon Ramsey (an "F" model).

 

[AcutancePhotography]

The photography world has spoken and Canon listened.

Food mode. That's what the DSLR world has been lacking.

I wish Canon the best of luck with this new camera. The profit from these lower level cameras is what pays for the R&D for the higher level cameras.

 

[ExodistPhotography]

Why am I not surprised that Miss Negative Nini is complaining about the price of something

As if I'm the only person being negative about how Canon is treating beginners photographers by making $550 cameras from leftover parts.

This sensor is 7 years old.

Go look at the DPReview announcement of this camera, 90% of the replies are negative.

People defending this is like people defending Nokia when smartphones came out.

"People are still going to buy Nokia en masse, people don't care about specs, the average person only knows Nokia"

That ended well.

No the sensor is not 7 years old. It was likely made a few months ago. The technology in the sensor is likely close to 7 years old. But hey, so you are saying Canon cant sell a basic camera for someone new starting out. I would rather buy this camera with all new parts, then go buy a camera that is already been used for 7 years at the same price..

Seriously, what are you wanting in this camera? It takes photos, it does video, it even has NFC and Wifi now.. The point is it does what it is supposed to. Offer as BASIC DSLR camera at an affordable price. It does nothing else.. Personally do I think Canon could have thrown in 20MP sensor at this point, yea I do.. It would have not competed with any of the other cameras they are offering. But hey, in a few month it will be down around $400 and be the next best selling thing on Amazon. Just like the T5 is now..

You compare this camera to the Sony A6000??!! Seriously.. Thats like comparing a 6D to the 5D.. or the T6i to the 80D.. The A6000 is a higher end camera. Its just priced so low in the USA so Sony can get it to sale..