Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600

[paul13walnut5]

When did the 5D become the 5Dc? Can a six year old dslr be a 'classic'?

hmmm.

Even as a firm canon user, I always thought the Dx00's were more like where the film EOS 3 sat... I know it's apples and pears as even the rebels have usually been more comparable to Elans, but bear with me... until the 5D...c... there wasn't really a direct competitor, and even then it was a different segment camera.

Just an opinion. If I'm wrong it won't be for first or last time.

 

[briansquibb]

When did the 5D become the 5Dc? Can a six year old dslr be a 'classic'?

hmmm.

Even as a firm canon user, I always thought the Dx00's were more like where the film EOS 3 sat... I know it's apples and pears as even the rebels have usually been more comparable to Elans, but bear with me... until the 5D...c... there wasn't really a direct competitor, and even then it was a different segment camera.

Just an opinion. If I'm wrong it won't be for first or last time.

D60 was the camera the D100 couldn't match

 

[paul13walnut5]

The d100 just felt better in the hand though. I think it had better AF too. Anyway, I've enough conflict on my hands defending video... let's not go there.

 

[AvTvM]

The d100 just felt better in the hand though. I think it had better AF too. Anyway, I've enough conflict on my hands defending video... let's not go there.

Video for pro-togs. Yes, ok ... wedding, events, news ... BUT: one would think, the video capabilities in 1D X and 5D 3 should be plenty.

What really puzzles me is the 1D C! Hi-end "4k cine cam" ... in the form factor of a DSLR and burdened down with all the video-unfriendly stills-imaging stuff (Mirrorbox, mirror, prism, OVF). WHY not as top-level C6900, or C700 or whatever number ... but in a camcorder form factor and in the C-line? Of course with optional EF-mount - I see no problem with that one. I cannot imagine users of 1D C to capture many stills shots .. other than possibly some "making-of" pics behind on the set ... just for kicks. But for that a rebel or P&S would do as well.

To me Canon looks hell-bent to just produce the broadest and most confusing smattering of HD/2k/4k Video- DSLRs and C-### videocams in parallel. There is a tremendous amount of redundancy going on in those product lines.

I don't believe even Chuck Westfall himself could clearly state, who should use a 1D C, a 1D X, a 5D 3, a C500 or a C300. It is just a plethora of video cams, with stills not much more than an afterthought.

 

[paul13walnut5]

They do seem to have abandoned the XL format as well.. shame theres no servo zoom EF lenses (asides from 35-80 PZ, obviously)

An XL shaped body, EF mount...

The c300 and c500 are clearly video dedicated, I wouldn't expect to see a stills shooter spending much time on a c300 or c500.

But then Canon probably didn't foresee feature films being shot on a 5D2 or 7D.

Plenty of choice. At plenty of prices. A good thing I think. 1D users buying will be buying for stills with video. I can't really imagine anybody buying purely for video buying any DSLR above the 5D3.

I had an HD 1080 camera five years before I had a HD telly, and five years before anybody asked me if I could deliver on HD. Maybe theres a stills analogy in there for 4K?

I've always said if they can make a stonking 22MP sensor then why can't they make an exceptionally stonking 8 or 10MP?

I only buy and use the stuff. And a 1D is not on my map.

 

[briansquibb]

The d100 just felt better in the hand though. I think it had better AF too. Anyway, I've enough conflict on my hands defending video... let's not go there.

The D60 feels like all xxD's and it has similar controls.

 

[RLPhoto]

When did the 5D become the 5Dc? Can a six year old dslr be a 'classic'?

hmmm.

Even as a firm canon user, I always thought the Dx00's were more like where the film EOS 3 sat... I know it's apples and pears as even the rebels have usually been more comparable to Elans, but bear with me... until the 5D...c... there wasn't really a direct competitor, and even then it was a different segment camera.

Just an opinion. If I'm wrong it won't be for first or last time.

It became a classic when it capture the photographic communitys heart by offering something that was once previously un-attainable in digital. Affordable FF and I like the name befitting such a solid camera. 8)

 

[briansquibb]

When did the 5D become the 5Dc? Can a six year old dslr be a 'classic'?

hmmm.

Even as a firm canon user, I always thought the Dx00's were more like where the film EOS 3 sat... I know it's apples and pears as even the rebels have usually been more comparable to Elans, but bear with me... until the 5D...c... there wasn't really a direct competitor, and even then it was a different segment camera.

Just an opinion. If I'm wrong it won't be for first or last time.

It became a classic when it capture the photographic communitys heart by offering something that was once previously un-attainable in digital. Affordable FF and I like the name befitting such a solid camera. 8)

Just for the record the 5D came out in 2005 - so 7 years old. That and the 1DS2 of 2004 were cameras that confirmed Canon as the major player in DSLR

 

[markd61]

i want this .. i want such a canon camera!!

You will only complain once it comes that it should be cheaper, should be weatherproof,should have no AA filter, should have a titanium body, shoot 12 fps, 4K video, and satellite uplink. And all that after only reading the published specs.

There is no end to gear lust. and the complaining that goes with it.

 

[unfocused]

i want this .. i want such a canon camera!!

You will only complain once it comes that it should be cheaper, should be weatherproof,should have no AA filter, should have a titanium body, shoot 12 fps, 4K video, and satellite uplink. And all that after only reading the published specs.

There is no end to gear lust. and the complaining that goes with it.

Shame on you, markd61 for posting a comment that actually has to do with the subject of this thread!

 

[paul13walnut5]

@briansquibb

The D60 feels like all xxD's and it has similar controls.

The D60 feels a bit like a 60D, but actually feels more like a rebel, and felt exactly like the Elan 7.

Cheap.

The 10D-50D had magnesium bodies and actually felt a lot better.

Which AF point would you like on your D60? The Left, the Right or shall we split the difference?

The D60 is a benchmark only of where canon were at the time. Which wasn't very far.

 

[briansquibb]

@briansquibb

The D60 feels like all xxD's and it has similar controls.

The D60 feels a bit like a 60D, but actually feels more like a rebel, and felt exactly like the Elan 7.

Cheap.

The 10D-50D had magnesium bodies and actually felt a lot better.

Which AF point would you like on your D60? The Left, the Right or shall we split the difference?

The D60 is a benchmark only of where canon were at the time. Which wasn't very far.

Everyone to their own. For 2002 it was the best around - at the low end. The real bonus is that it has a full sized body rather than a Rebel sized. D60 had a metal shell - so not like the polycarbonate 60D

3 good AF points are adequate - 5D owners survived a long time on just the central point - and has bright red AF points in the viewfinder.

Would you like to comment on the 10D and 1DS2 that came shortly afterwards?

 

[briansquibb]

Personally I think Canon have something up their sleeve - they are not going to let Nikon take the market away from them. Trouble is that it takes time to respond.

 

[Marsu42]

Trouble is that it takes time to respond.

The Canon rumors crew and loyal customers should sign a petition for Nikon to stop all r&d for 1 or 2 years to let Canon catch up - borrowing Sony tech ain't fair

Actually, I hope Canon wont have to "respond" at all because they were putting new products in the pipeline before Nikon released the d800. If Canon is too passive, they're going to have a tough time.

 

[briansquibb]

Trouble is that it takes time to respond.

The Canon rumors crew and loyal customers should sign a petition for Nikon to stop all r&d for 1 or 2 years to let Canon catch up - borrowing Sony tech ain't fair

Actually, I hope Canon wont have to "respond" at all because they were putting new products in the pipeline before Nikon released the d800. If Canon is too passive, they're going to have a tough time.

I suspect this is something for Photokina

For the record when the D60 was released Nikon were caught out - and they were more expensive

See here: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneosd60/4

 

[Marsu42]

For the record when the D60 was released Nikon were caught out - and they were more expensive

Those were the times - dpreview states the d60 has "Excellent resolution, lives up to the six megapixel label" and "Noise very low all the way up to ISO 400" ... but then again in 2022 everybody will smile at the puny 5d2/5d3 sensor, too.

 

[briansquibb]

For the record when the D60 was released Nikon were caught out - and they were more expensive

Those were the times - dpreview states the d60 has "Excellent resolution, lives up to the six megapixel label" and "Noise very low all the way up to ISO 400" ... but then again in 2022 everybody will smile at the puny 5d2/5d3 sensor, too.

Ironically a web image requires a D60 image to be cropped ....... so is there a market for an A1 IQ body with a sensor of about 4mps?

 

[paul13walnut5]

Everyone to their own. For 2002 it was the best around - at the low end. The real bonus is that it has a full sized body rather than a Rebel sized. D60 had a metal shell - so not like the polycarbonate 60D

3 good AF points are adequate - 5D owners survived a long time on just the central point - and has bright red AF points in the viewfinder.

Would you like to comment on the 10D and 1DS2 that came shortly afterwards?

D60 had plastic shell. Sorry. Metal chassis. Plastic shell.

ooh bright red lights!!!

10D- Waste of time, one to ignore unless very cheap. 20D better resolution, EF-S mount. Only marginally more expensive. 10D Improvements would have been enough to make film users finally switch at time, notihing remarkable now, 20D eminently more usable.

1DS2.. came quite a bit after the D60. Probably the only one on our wee list that I would consider having in my kit bag today. And even if they were launched on the same day? So what? What's your inference?

 

[paul13walnut5]

Just checked. 3 & 1/2 years between D60 and 1DsMk2. I'm not the spiciest chilli in the fajita, but was that an elephant trap that @dampsquibb tried to lay for me there?

 

[briansquibb]

Just checked. 3 & 1/2 years between D60 and 1DsMk2. I'm not the spiciest chilli in the fajita, but was that an elephant trap that @dampsquibb tried to lay for me there?

We are talking history here - not buying now. You gave me the impression that you knew about the relative merits of the D60 and D100 so I was curious as I didn't get to use Nikon, but contemporary reviews seem to favour the Canon range. Just look how quick new cameras were being released

d60 - 2002
10D - 2003
300D (first Rebel) - 2003 - cut down 10D
1DS2 - 2004
20D - 2004

The 1DS2 is still a very usable camera with its 45 point AF and 16mp

I find that a lot can be learnt from history as history = experience.