Canon are you listening...?? NIKON D600

[lola]

[DR is] the very essence of image capture!

Oh, is that right, now?

Firstly: any problems with the DR in these images, from my "lowly" 7D?

This to this.

And

this to this.

I'll answer for you. No, there isn't.

The fact is, DR isn't nearly the unattainable Holy Grail that the whiny, incompetent, malcontent trolls on here would have you believe - and the 5D Mk III is a damn' sight better than the 7D.

Secondly: the base ISO DR advantage of the Noink is just that - the base ISO DR advantage. As soon as you're north of 100 ISO, things are more or less even, and eventually actually become a 5D Mk III advantage as ISO increases.

I never, ever shoot at base ISO, because - for me - shutter speed is always infinitely more important than some notional DR advantage at ISOs I never use: and besides, the images above prove that there's all the DR any reasonable person could reasonably want in any Real World situation - you've just got to know how to get to it, and many don't.

More to the point, I've yet to see the image from any of the whiners that "only" the D800 could produce - and that's because it doesn't exist.

Frames Per Second matters: the wing position of this Short eared owl is "perfect" - not because of any Ninja-like reflexes on my part that allowed me to react to the millisecond to capture the perfect wing position, but because my 7D had the FPS to get just the right moment: I would literally have had only half the likelihood of getting this image if I'd been shooting the D800, and in my experience of bird and sport photography, 6 fps is the lowest frame rate that I would happily work with.

Getting the point yet? The D800 is a nice enough camera, but a complete and utter irrelevance in my world, delivering precisely no useful performance improvements whatsoever for my photography.

The only thing I like about the D800 over the 5D Mk III is the pixel density - but that doesn't get close to outweighing its practical shortfalls in every other context that matters to me.

But you're doing what so many on here do: you assume that what you shoot is what everyone else shoots, that what you want from a camera is all anyone could want from a camera, and that this is therefore all that matters when evaluating one body against another.

Well, you're wrong. Completely, utterly, and unequivocally wrong.

1. Calling people who are asking for better image quality "whiny, incompetent, malcontent trolls" doesn't make you look/sound pro. That's yesterday's trick.

2. Please excuse me for not sharing your low standards for image quality. The shared photos are probably good memories to you but mean absolutely nothing to me in terms of image quality. I would have to quit the business if I delivered the skull and bicycle quality shots to my clients.

I do understand - and even sometimes feel - the need for a high-fps, fast camera. What I don't understand is; how your need of a high fps camera makes the 5D3 a better camera than the D800.

I kindly ask you to quote the post where I've implied that what I shoot is what everyone else shoots, that what I want from a camera is all anyone could want from a camera, and that this is therefore all that matters when evaluating one body against another.

Please don't defend a company as if it's your family business... That way you're missing the whole point; the point that Canon is selling a camera which is below competition spec-wise and above competition price-wise. I don't recall anyone calling the 5D3 crap...

 

[briansquibb]

I do understand - and even sometimes feel - the need for a high-fps, fast camera. What I don't understand is; how your need of a high fps camera makes the 5D3 a better camera than the D800.

'Better' is a subjective word that implies personal taste/requirements w.h.y.

If fps is a requirement for a person then if camera delivers the required fps then it is clearly better for that person than one that doesn't

In my case and Keith's clearly we feel the need for fps. Therefore the D800 fails at that point.

 

[lola]

Thank you - yes I do understand DR, and yes DPP gives you the DR of your photo. I shoot RAW and DPP gives the DR of the raw image.

Shame you didn't read my equipment line - else you would have spotted that I dont have a 5DIII

Dont worry just buy yourself a D800 and imagine you are getting 14DR even though there is no need for 14DR in the majority of images.

I never assumed that you had a 5D3, where did that come from?

Oh, I will buy a D800... Just waiting for Photokina, just in case Canon accidentally comes up with some serious camera without stuff like rate button and in-camera HDR that you'd expect Sony or Samsung would come up with... If they don't; then what the hell, a D800 and a Nikkor 70-200 sums up around $5000 and should cover fashion shots just fine for starters...

And by the way, what are the facts you're basing on when saying Nikon's DR is imaginary and there's no need for 14 stops of DR? I'd really like to hear that.

 

[lola]

'Better' is a subjective word that implies personal taste/requirements w.h.y.

If fps is a requirement for a person then if camera delivers the required fps then it is clearly better for that person than one that doesn't

In my case and Keith's clearly we feel the need for fps. Therefore the D800 fails at that point.

5D3 measuring up to your needs doesn't change the fact that it's an overpriced camera that disappointed many people.

 

[briansquibb]

I never assumed that you had a 5D3, where did that come from?

Look here for the 6fps

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10fps is far important for me.

Since when 5D3 shoots at 10fps.?

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If a picture does not have 14DR then there is no need for a 14DR camera. So you would be wasting your money buying a D800 just for the DR (which wont show in prints either)

 

[briansquibb]

'Better' is a subjective word that implies personal taste/requirements w.h.y.

If fps is a requirement for a person then if camera delivers the required fps then it is clearly better for that person than one that doesn't

In my case and Keith's clearly we feel the need for fps. Therefore the D800 fails at that point.

5D3 measuring up to your needs doesn't change the fact that it's an overpriced camera that disappointed many people.

You haven't worked this out yet. I dont have a 5DIII nor am I buying one

The value of an item is subjective so to tell us that it is overpriced is meaningless as it only tells us your opinion

 

[AvTvM]

Dear Brian ... as long as Canon has many customers like you, we will never get a camera with the qualities of both the 5D 3 [6 fps + EF-mount] AND the D800 [everything else] at the price of the latter.

 

[lola]

I never assumed that you had a 5D3, where did that come from?

Look here for the 6fps

[Quote

10fps is far important for me.

Since when 5D3 shoots at 10fps.?

If a picture does not have 14DR then there is no need for a 14DR camera. So you would be wasting your money buying a D800 just for the DR (which wont show in prints either)

It's a discussion on 5D3!!!!! It's not assuming you have one!
You said you wanted 10fps, and I said 5D3 doesn't have it!

Gee, man!

I don't feel the strength in me to continue this debate anymore... I give up!
Dynamic range is dog-crap, resolution is pig-crap... Long live Canon!

 

[briansquibb]

Dear Brian ... as long as Canon has many customers like you, we will never get a camera with the qualities of both the 5D 3 [6 fps + EF-mount] AND the D800 [everything else] at the price of the latter.

Yep you wrong yet again - I am not looking for either a 5DIII or a D800 - so why would I care?

 

[briansquibb]

It's a discussion on 5D3!!!!! It's not assuming you have one!
You said you wanted 10fps, and I said 5D3 doesn't have it!

Wrong again - this thread is about the D600 - and the D600 doesn't have it nor does the D800. So you comments about the 5DIII were a complete red herring

 

[AvTvM]

Dynamic range is dog-crap, resolution is pig-crap... Long live Canon!

ROFL! ;D ;D ;D
You really made my day!

 

[briansquibb]

Well there are two trolls who have come out of the closet. Go back to NR lads

 

[AvTvM]

Well there are two trolls who have come out of the closet. Go back to NR lads

why should we? Up to now (!) I am still a Canon user, so I am fully entitled to write here.
Plus, it is way too much fun to shake up deeply devoted Canon fanboys in their beliefs with facts. And even more fun to drive Canon-sponsored posters thru town! ;-)

Nikon's D600 as currently rumored over on NR will quite likely be the next tough test of the Canon-devotees unwavering faith. It may well deliver as much or more than the Canon 5D 3 at less than half of the cost. Slightly more resolution, almost for sure more DR, quite likely also same speed 6 fps, heck, maybe even 7? plus a very capable AF-system (probably even working at f/8).

Not that I care for it in the least, but to test the Canonites creed, Nikon may even put better video in it? ;-)

 

[rj79in]

Well there are two trolls who have come out of the closet. Go back to NR lads

why should we? Up to now (!) I am still a Canon user, so I am fully entitled to write here.
Plus, it is way too much fun to shake up deeply devoted Canon fanboys in their beliefs with facts. And even more fun to drive Canon-sponsored posters thru town! ;-)

Nikon's D600 as currently rumored over on NR will quite likely be the next tough test of the Canon-devotees unwavering faith. It may well deliver as much or more than the Canon 5D 3 at less than half of the cost. Slightly more resolution, almost for sure more DR, quite likely also same speed 6 fps, heck, maybe even 7? plus a very capable AF-system (probably even working at f/8).

Not that I care for it in the least, but to test the Canonites creed, Nikon may even put better video in it? ;-)

Isn't it wonderful that neither Nikon nor Canon charges you for dreaming

 

[aznable]

Nikon's D600 as currently rumored over on NR will quite likely be the next tough test of the Canon-devotees unwavering faith. It may well deliver as much or more than the Canon 5D 3 at less than half of the cost. Slightly more resolution, almost for sure more DR, quite likely also same speed 6 fps, heck, maybe even 7? plus a very capable AF-system (probably even working at f/8).

if it's going to cost just $1500 is gonna destroy sales of d800 too :'( … except nikon hasnt a very capable AF system on d800 so i doubt it would be implemented on D600

 

[awinphoto]

Nikon's D600 as currently rumored over on NR will quite likely be the next tough test of the Canon-devotees unwavering faith. It may well deliver as much or more than the Canon 5D 3 at less than half of the cost. Slightly more resolution, almost for sure more DR, quite likely also same speed 6 fps, heck, maybe even 7? plus a very capable AF-system (probably even working at f/8).

if it's going to cost just $1500 is gonna destroy sales of d800 too :'( … except nikon hasnt a very capable AF system on d800 so i doubt it would be implemented on D600

No, the D600 will not destroy D800 sales.

If you want 36MP and you've got $3000 to spend on a camera, spending $1500 on a D600 that only has 24MP will not get you there. For people that are just looking for a full frame DSLR, the D600 will add new options for potential purchasers. So rather than ponder over spending $3000 and whether you can afford that much, you'll have the option of a camera at about half that price so lots of people that have been thinking about it can just say "Yes!"

Thought people on a few pages back said the d600 was going to be a crop camera, not full frame? I could be wrong... Either way I doubt the D800 will be effected unless it effects itself with shotty production that is currently going on, but it will eat into the D300s market tho... unless they cripple that series.

 

[cliffwang]

Haven't checked the thread during the weekend. I am so surprised more and more users join the discussion for the D600 rumor. I really hope Canon can hear the voices from non-PRO Canon users. Retain the strength and improve your weakness from competitors, then I will be happy to stay with you. Hopefully we can see a response from Canon soon.(Then I can plan to buy my new Canon lenses ;D)

 

[aznable]

If you want 36MP and you've got $3000 to spend on a camera, spending $1500 on a D600 that only has 24MP will not get you there. For people that are just looking for a full frame DSLR, the D600 will add new options for potential purchasers. So rather than ponder over spending $3000 and whether you can afford that much, you'll have the option of a camera at about half that price so lots of people that have been thinking about it can just say "Yes!"

yes $3000 for a camera at 36mpix that is slower than my 450D taking photos. now the option for nikonians are 12mpix/36mpix, and the d800 has a better sensor than d700, so in my opinion a faster camera with a good sensor at 24mpix would kill also the d800 sales

of course i am talking about the dream camera of rumors spreading around; i guess the price of d600 will be higher and feature wise would not in the same League of d800, so it will not be a competitor of 5dmk3

 

[Loswr]

I really hope Canon can hear the voices from non-PRO Canon users.

Canon hears them...just not the ones posting here...

 

[jaduffy007]

Cliff, I don't think switching is as costly as many make it out to be, especially if you buy (trade) used. Plenty of mint condition used equipment "out there". Just need to make sure Nikon makes lenses to replace your fav Canon glass. Nikon has great glass, but has winners and losers just like Canon. For example, if you use a Canon 17mm TS a lot, Nikon doesn't make a TS that's quite as good. On the other hand, Canon doesn't make a lens that equals Nikon's 14-24.

If the D600 really comes out at $1500 / 1600...wow. Especially after the D800, that will make many contemplate if they're on the "right ship". Canon would absolutely have to respond with a competing product imo. Not even a used 5d2 would be equal to the rumored D600.

The great thing is, you can't go wrong with either Canon or Nikon

5DII in not mutch more expensive, quite similar spec.

Similar specs? Are you serious?

– 24.7MP Full-Frame Sensor — Could it be more perfect?
– 5fps, 2 SD card slots
– Will likely be weather sealed
– 39 AF Points

I wish there is a easy way to sell all my Canon stuff and switch to Nikon. I know that's most likely not going to happen. So disappointed with Canon.