Canon EF 85mm f/1.4L IS & Three More Lenses Coming at the End of August [CR2]

[Loswr]

Re: Canon EF 85mm f/1.4L IS & Three More Lenses Coming at the End of August [CR2]

(I notice some bad info keeps circulating in this thread.)

Indeed...yours.

Please apply some (unfortunately not very common) common sense. Look at the back of the 85/1.2L II. Do you see a rubber gasket to seal the mount? If not, the lens is not weather sealed (or if you prefer, it is not dust-proof and drip-proof, which is the phrasing used in the Canon USA lens manuals).

 

[H. Jones]

Re: Canon EF 85mm f/1.4L IS & Three More Lenses Coming at the End of August [CR2]

On most recent bodies there's actually a setting that automatically retracts focus-by-wire lenses when you turn the camera off. Pretty nifty whenever I have the 50mm f/1.8 on my 1dx2, but since my 5D3 doesn't do that, I often forget. Just another reason I don't like focus-by-wire!

Sorry to hijack your (perfectly fine) point to make mine: a 50 f/1.8 STM on a 1DX2 just has me screaming "Unmet need!" at the top of my lungs.

I'm not questioning you your choice one bit, mind you. It's just the fact that we don't have a 50 prime that is decently sharp across the frame (with only modest stopping down, say by f/2.8 ) with proper fast/non-hunting/consistent first-party AF continues to vex me. That's not an extravagant or unreasonable ask by any means.

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- A

Haha, I'm not a fan of 50mm primes and never use it. I only got it as a super-cheap work insurance policy for me, in case for some awful reason my 24-70, 70-200, and 16-35 go down for the count, I can still get away with doing most of my job with a 50mm. It might not be a great lens, but at $100 it's far cheaper than having something like a back-up 24-105 that I never use.



Re: neuroanatomist,

I don't actually know-- I've only ever used it with the 50mm STM. Just checked on my 1DX2 and the 'info' help blurb says "When geared-type STM lens is attached," so presumably you're right that it doesn't retract the 85mm f/1.2.

 

[YuengLinger]

Re: Canon EF 85mm f/1.4L IS & Three More Lenses Coming at the End of August [CR2]

On most recent bodies there's actually a setting that automatically retracts focus-by-wire lenses when you turn the camera off. Pretty nifty whenever I have the 50mm f/1.8 on my 1dx2, but since my 5D3 doesn't do that, I often forget. Just another reason I don't like focus-by-wire!

Out of curiosity, is it all focus-by-wire lenses, or just the STM lenses? My EOS M/M2 wil retract the front element of the M22/2 STM, for example, but not the 85/1.2L (although that's via the M mount adapter). The 85L is a bit unique in the lineup, having full ring USM but also FBW (some older supertele lenses were like that, too, but they didn't have front focusing elements).

I'm with Neuro on this one...Tried it on my 5DIV and seems to do nothing, zip, nada.

Just to BE SURE before posting, tried it again AND hit the INFO button on the menu option. Sure enough, only STM lenses get this kindly function.

Really, it's not a big deal, but I truly believe the lens travels more safely with the barrel retracted, so I try to stay on top of this. Nobody is perfect.

 

[Larsskv]

Re: Canon EF 85mm f/1.4L IS & Three More Lenses Coming at the End of August [CR2]

On most recent bodies there's actually a setting that automatically retracts focus-by-wire lenses when you turn the camera off. Pretty nifty whenever I have the 50mm f/1.8 on my 1dx2, but since my 5D3 doesn't do that, I often forget. Just another reason I don't like focus-by-wire!

Out of curiosity, is it all focus-by-wire lenses, or just the STM lenses? My EOS M/M2 wil retract the front element of the M22/2 STM, for example, but not the 85/1.2L (although that's via the M mount adapter). The 85L is a bit unique in the lineup, having full ring USM but also FBW (some older supertele lenses were like that, too, but they didn't have front focusing elements).

I am sad to report that the 1DXII does not retract the 85LII automatically when turning it off. I would love it to do so, though.

Edit: especially after damaging a 50 f1.4 after bumping its front element, when it was not retracted...

 

[Loswr]

Re: Canon EF 85mm f/1.4L IS & Three More Lenses Coming at the End of August [CR2]

On most recent bodies there's actually a setting that automatically retracts focus-by-wire lenses when you turn the camera off. Pretty nifty whenever I have the 50mm f/1.8 on my 1dx2, but since my 5D3 doesn't do that, I often forget. Just another reason I don't like focus-by-wire!

Out of curiosity, is it all focus-by-wire lenses, or just the STM lenses? My EOS M/M2 wil retract the front element of the M22/2 STM, for example, but not the 85/1.2L (although that's via the M mount adapter). The 85L is a bit unique in the lineup, having full ring USM but also FBW (some older supertele lenses were like that, too, but they didn't have front focusing elements).

I am sad to report that the 1DXII does not retract the 85LII automatically when turning it off. I would love it to do so, though.

Edit: especially after damaging a 50 f1.4 after bumping its front element, when it was not retracted...

Thanks for the information, all.

I wonder if Canon is purposely nerfing the 85L II to protect sales of the 50/1.8 STM? 8)

 

[Jopa]

Re: Canon EF 85mm f/1.4L IS & Three More Lenses Coming at the End of August [CR2]

On most recent bodies there's actually a setting that automatically retracts focus-by-wire lenses when you turn the camera off. Pretty nifty whenever I have the 50mm f/1.8 on my 1dx2, but since my 5D3 doesn't do that, I often forget. Just another reason I don't like focus-by-wire!

Relatively "old" 5DsR also has this feature. But neither of those cameras support retracting of the 85L II, for some reason it works only with the small STM lenses.

Sorry to hijack your (perfectly fine) point to make mine: a 50 f/1.8 STM on a 1DX2 just has me screaming "Unmet need!" at the top of my lungs.

The 50/1.8 actually looks pretty cool on the 1dx2, the only complain is slow AF. It resolves quite well for a 20mpx sensor, it's not very demanding. Also it works great for video due to STM. So it's not as bad as it sounds

 

[Khalai]

Re: Canon EF 85mm f/1.4L IS & Three More Lenses Coming at the End of August [CR2]

Thanks for the information, all.

I wonder if Canon is purposely nerfing the 85L II to protect sales of the 50/1.8 STM? 8)

Of course. Have you seen the sale ratio? It "very high number" to 1 in favor of 50/1.8 STM, right?

 

[Khalai]

Re: Canon EF 85mm f/1.4L IS & Three More Lenses Coming at the End of August [CR2]

Man, that's a very familiar story! I was able to use MF lenses on my A7r until my girls were under 3, and then I wasn't able to keep up and first switched to AF, and later to Canon Nevertheless I got my most favorite shots from MF lenses, this one is taken with the Otus 85:

Otus! Holy crap, that lens was heavy, when I tried it on my 6D. My Planar is quite tiny compared to either Milvus or even Otus. But very nice imagery. That's on Canon? I alternate between usinig Eg-S screen and Magic Lantern's focus peaking. I do get some keepers, but I have to learn a lot still

 

[Jopa]

Re: Canon EF 85mm f/1.4L IS & Three More Lenses Coming at the End of August [CR2]

My four months old son is a real challenge when it comes to manually focusing my 85/1.4 Planar lens on 1-2 metres distance. Keeper rate is rather low unfortunately

Man, that's a very familiar story! I was able to use MF lenses on my A7r until my girls were under 3, and then I wasn't able to keep up and first switched to AF, and later to Canon Nevertheless I got my most favorite shots from MF lenses, this one is taken with the Otus 85:



Crop:

 

[Jopa]

Re: Canon EF 85mm f/1.4L IS & Three More Lenses Coming at the End of August [CR2]

Otus! Holy crap, that lens was heavy, when I tried it on my 6D. My Planar is quite tiny compared to either Milvus or even Otus. But very nice imagery. That's on Canon? I alternate between usinig Eg-S screen and Magic Lantern's focus peaking. I do get some keepers, but I have to learn a lot still

That was the Sony A7r. Those cameras are great for MF lenses. Later when I upgraded to the A7r2 - the new camera also added stabilization.

On Canon the focus confirmation works quite reliable, for relatively static subjects I didn't have much problems focusing. The 135 APO was much harder to shoot due to the awkward lens balance, but that's probably just me. I think my 5DsR doesn't accept focusing screens, so I went with this thing: http://www.zacuto.com/z-finder-dslr-viewfinder. Zakuto makes precise focusing a breeze, it's like an EVF on steroids (literally! ).

 

[Khalai]

Re: Canon EF 85mm f/1.4L IS & Three More Lenses Coming at the End of August [CR2]

Otus! Holy crap, that lens was heavy, when I tried it on my 6D. My Planar is quite tiny compared to either Milvus or even Otus. But very nice imagery. That's on Canon? I alternate between usinig Eg-S screen and Magic Lantern's focus peaking. I do get some keepers, but I have to learn a lot still

That was the Sony A7r. Those cameras are great for MF lenses. Later when I upgraded to the A7r2 - the new camera also added stabilization.

On Canon the focus confirmation works quite reliable, for relatively static subjects I didn't have much problems focusing. The 135 APO was much harder to shoot due to the awkward lens balance, but that's probably just me. I think my 5DsR doesn't accept focusing screens, so I went with this thing: http://www.zacuto.com/z-finder-dslr-viewfinder. Zakuto makes precise focusing a breeze, it's like an EVF on steroids (literally! ).

I've been thinking about Zacuto as well. If only it was a little cheaper. Shelling over 350€ for an accessory I'll use only now and then is a quite steep price I'm afraid.

 

[Jopa]

Re: Canon EF 85mm f/1.4L IS & Three More Lenses Coming at the End of August [CR2]

If you are in Europe, look at Kinotechnik, it's essentially the same stuff but cheaper https://www.kinotehnik.com/ https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=kinotehnik%20viewfinder&N=0&InitialSearch=yes&sts=ma&Top+Nav-Search=, made in Estonia.

 

[Ah-Keong]

Re: Canon EF 85mm f/1.4L IS & Three More Lenses Coming at the End of August [CR2]

my three more lenses would be

Canon EF 135mm f/1,8L IS
Canon EF 105mm f/1,4L IS
Canon EF 14-24mm f/2,8 IS

:

 

[arthurbikemad]

Re: Canon EF 85mm f/1.4L IS & Three More Lenses Coming at the End of August [CR2]

I've just purchased the "ageing" 85mm f/1.2L ii New, wonder if the new f/1.4L IS will kick it's arse! Not that I am bothered as I WANT F1.2!

 

[vscd]

Re: Canon EF 85mm f/1.4L IS & Three More Lenses Coming at the End of August [CR2]

+Some need a filter to be sealed and since there has been some less than acurate info shared here let me share the list I got from Canon, Japan:

And a note on which of these that need a filter to be fully sealed (The Super Tele Lenses are not included in the list below):

[...]
EF 85mm 1.2L II USM
[...]

There are many weather sealed lenses that are omitted from your list, besides just the superteles. The 85mm f/1.2L II is on your list, and it's not weather sealed.

Sorry, your list is incomplete and is actually adding to the inaccurate info being shared here.

–1

The 85L 1.2 II is somewhat difficult to decide in weathersealing. It has no sealing on the bayonett but it's known to be quite weathersealed if you attach a frontfilter. The Body itself is well sealed.

LOL. :

First off, there's nothing difficult to decide. If your car has one window broken out, the interior will get wet if it rains...even if all the other windows seal up tight. The lack of a mount gasket on the 85/1.2L II means the lens is not weather sealed. Period.

As for your statements that, "...it's known to be quite weathersealed," and, "The body itself is well sealed," known by whom? You? The wisdom of the internet? Can you provide some evidence to back up your claim? It's always amusing when people make bold claims like this, and it turns out they're just spewing BS from their nether orifice. Not your first time, evidently.

@neuroanatomist
You have a very big mouth and talk a lot of BS by yourself which I don't have the mood to search and quote. As I own the 85L II, I assume I have a lot of experience of using it in rain and on location. Even if it has no rubbergasket on the bajonett, it's quite sealed anyway. There can be moisture entering the bajonett but that moisture would enter your body, not the lens. If you look at the massive and not moving glass-rearelement of an 85L it's not plausible that water can enter the lens. So it's quite stupid to demonstrate weathersealing on the bajonetsealing. Only morons do.

And if you would google for yourself you would even find those claims on wellknown sites like BHPhoto (https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/423691-USA/Canon_1056B002AA_EF_85mm_f_1_2L_II.html).

I did not mention it's waterproof, no lens can be claimed waterproof in the whole L-Line, but this lens is very good sealed for everything you may experience in your life outside of forums.

(Photo taken from the mighty internet)

 

[Khalai]

Re: Canon EF 85mm f/1.4L IS & Three More Lenses Coming at the End of August [CR2]

@neuroanatomist
You have a very big mouth and talk a lot of BS by yourself which I don't have the mood to search and quote. As I own the 85L II, I assume I have a lot of experience of using it in rain and on location. Even if it has no rubbergasket on the bajonett, it's quite sealed anyway. There can be moisture entering the bajonett but that moisture would enter your body, not the lens. If you look at the massive and not moving glass-rearelement of an 85L it's not plausible that water can enter the lens. So it's quite stupid to demonstrate weathersealing on the bajonetsealing. Only morons do.

And if you would google for yourself you would even find those claims on wellknown sites like BHPhoto (https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/423691-USA/Canon_1056B002AA_EF_85mm_f_1_2L_II.html).

I did not mention it's waterproof, no lens can be claimed waterproof in the whole L-Line, but this lens is very good sealed for everything you may experience in your life outside of forums.

There may be another point of entry of moisture and dust and that being focusing ring, movable front focusing tube and AF/MF switch. No doubt are L lenses durable and rugged. I've been with my gear in quite hostile environments such as heavy rain, waterfalls or volcanic ash areas and yet my gear is working flawlessly even without weathersealing.

But unfortunately, 85/1.2L II is not OFFICIALLY weathersealed lens, may it be rugged and resilient as all L glass lenses.

 

[Antono Refa]

Re: Canon EF 85mm f/1.4L IS & Three More Lenses Coming at the End of August [CR2]

Canon EF 14-24mm f/2,8 IS

What would be the usage scenario for a fast ultra wide zoom with IS?

 

[Khalai]

Re: Canon EF 85mm f/1.4L IS & Three More Lenses Coming at the End of August [CR2]

Canon EF 14-24mm f/2,8 IS

What would be the usage scenario for a fast ultra wide zoom with IS?

Nikkor 14-24/2.8 has been here for a long time. Very nice lens, but also very expensive, heavy a absurdly prone to flaring and ghosting. Canon 14-24/2.8L IS would be even more expensive and heavier. There is excellent 16-35/2.8L III, for those, who want fast UWA zoom. There is a Sigma 14/1.8 for those, who want even wider and faster lens...

 

[Loswr]

Re: Canon EF 85mm f/1.4L IS & Three More Lenses Coming at the End of August [CR2]

@neuroanatomist
You have a very big mouth and talk a lot of BS by yourself which I don't have the mood to search and quote. As I own the 85L II, I assume I have a lot of experience of using it in rain and on location. Even if it has no rubbergasket on the bajonett, it's quite sealed anyway. There can be moisture entering the bajonett but that moisture would enter your body, not the lens. If you look at the massive and not moving glass-rearelement of an 85L it's not plausible that water can enter the lens. So it's quite stupid to demonstrate weathersealing on the bajonetsealing. Only morons do.

You made a false claim (and are continuing to make it – what part of 'no special seals or gaskets' don't you comprehend?). I provided direct evidence from Canon that refutes that claim. You 'don't have the mood to search and quote' becuase you're wrong, and since you're unable to admit that, you choose insult the person who corrected your mistake. Only the pathetically puerile do.

 

[Maiaibing]

Re: Canon EF 85mm f/1.4L IS & Three More Lenses Coming at the End of August [CR2]

@neuroanatomist
You have a very big mouth and talk a lot of BS by yourself which I don't have the mood to search and quote. As I own the 85L II, I assume I have a lot of experience of using it in rain and on location. Even if it has no rubbergasket on the bajonett, it's quite sealed anyway. There can be moisture entering the bajonett but that moisture would enter your body, not the lens. If you look at the massive and not moving glass-rearelement of an 85L it's not plausible that water can enter the lens. So it's quite stupid to demonstrate weathersealing on the bajonetsealing. Only morons do.

And if you would google for yourself you would even find those claims on wellknown sites like BHPhoto (https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/423691-USA/Canon_1056B002AA_EF_85mm_f_1_2L_II.html).

I did not mention it's waterproof, no lens can be claimed waterproof in the whole L-Line, but this lens is very good sealed for everything you may experience in your life outside of forums.

There may be another point of entry of moisture and dust and that being focusing ring, movable front focusing tube and AF/MF switch. No doubt are L lenses durable and rugged. I've been with my gear in quite hostile environments such as heavy rain, waterfalls or volcanic ash areas and yet my gear is working flawlessly even without weathersealing.

But unfortunately, 85/1.2L II is not OFFICIALLY weathersealed lens, may it be rugged and resilient as all L glass lenses.

They do. 85L II is officialy - according to Canon's own web sites - designed to be moisture and dust resistent. Just look it up. B&H have just taken their description from Canon.

As several other Canon lenses with the same moisture and dust resistance it does not have any ruber gasket. Like the 50L which in addition needs a front filter.

So take a deep breath and relax. These are all Canon marketing claims anyway. They are very careful not to say anything about rain etc.

Personally, I don't deal with any of my lenses differently no matter what claims Canon makes. Rain, snow, dust it all bad at the end of the day. And do remember, that weathersealing only works with a camera with rubber gasket (only high-end models that is). Gasket on lens is not substitute. The rubber gasket on the camera is however the reason why Canon will make the claim for the 85L II and other lenses