Canon EF 85mm f/1.4L IS & Three More Lenses Coming at the End of August [CR2]

[ahsanford]

Re: Canon EF 85mm f/1.4L IS & Three More Lenses Coming at the End of August [CR2]

Canon EF 14-24mm f/2,8 IS

What would be the usage scenario for a fast ultra wide zoom with IS?

Three areas:

• Video
  
  
• Available light stills work when you don't have enough available light and can't use a tripod - reportage, events, concerts, street, etc.
  
  
• It also oddly comes up for tourists in shooting some flash-prohibited interiors or 'forgot to bring my tripod' situations -- the nave of a church, interior of a cave, museums, historic homes, nighttime cityscapes, etc. I've even nabbed a serviceable 'long' shutter waterfall handheld with my 16-35 f/4L IS when it was impossible to rest my camera for a proper shot.

- A

 

[vscd]

Re: Canon EF 85mm f/1.4L IS & Three More Lenses Coming at the End of August [CR2]

@neuroanatomist
You have a very big mouth and talk a lot of BS by yourself which I don't have the mood to search and quote. As I own the 85L II, I assume I have a lot of experience of using it in rain and on location. Even if it has no rubbergasket on the bajonett, it's quite sealed anyway. There can be moisture entering the bajonett but that moisture would enter your body, not the lens. If you look at the massive and not moving glass-rearelement of an 85L it's not plausible that water can enter the lens. So it's quite stupid to demonstrate weathersealing on the bajonetsealing. Only morons do.

You made a false claim (and are continuing to make it – what part of 'no special seals or gaskets' don't you comprehend?). I provided direct evidence from Canon that refutes that claim. You 'don't have the mood to search and quote' becuase you're wrong, and since you're unable to admit that, you choose insult the person who corrected your mistake. Only the pathetically puerile do.

@Maiaibing
+1

@neuroanatomist
You quoted nothing. You only quoted an old message from me where I was wrong (humans can be wrong , you know). Now you feel somehow superiour without even knowing something by yourself.

I never said the 85L is weathersealed (try to search that), I only said it's more sealed than other lenses like the "normal" 85mm f1.8. Weathersealing is not digital where you can enter 0 or 1, there are fine differences from beeing total sealed up to have no sealing at all. The same goes to bodies. There is not only the 1DXM2 and the lowcost modells. The 5DM4 is more sealed than the 6D and the 1DXM2 more sealed than the 5DM3.

Where is your point apart from trolling around blaming others to talk BS? The bajonettgasket does *NOT* seal the lens itself. Hard to believe eh'? So looking for a bajonettsealing tells you nothing about the optics.

Now calm down, you're talking to people, not your computer.

 

[arthurbikemad]

Re: Canon EF 85mm f/1.4L IS & Three More Lenses Coming at the End of August [CR2]

Oh my oh my, my 85 1.2 is here, and its raining : :-X ;D

Its slooooow (5D4), but awesome

Focal done, +2, lifes good 8)

p.s I think Canon installed some "dark matter" in there!! Jesus it has a big arse!

 

[jolyonralph]

Re: Canon EF 85mm f/1.4L IS & Three More Lenses Coming at the End of August [CR2]

Three new lenses, with no previous rumours, and made in malaysia?

Has to be something relatively unexciting, such as different colour versions of existing lenses, may be of the EF-M lenses for various M20 kit options.

Although an EF-M 15-45 II is sorely needed as the current version is a poor performer compared to other lenses in its class for other systems.

 

[Ian_of_glos]

Re: Canon EF 85mm f/1.4L IS & Three More Lenses Coming at the End of August [CR2]

Oh my oh my, my 85 1.2 is here, and its raining : :-X ;D

Its slooooow (5D4), but awesome

Focal done, +2, lifes good 8)

p.s I think Canon installed some "dark matter" in there!! Jesus it has a big arse!

You have made a good choice - I hope you enjoy using yours as much as I have enjoyed using mine.
It works really well on my 5D mk4, and the results are better than anything I was able to achieve on the 5D mk3. Not sure why that is - maybe the additional resolution on the 5D mk4 or more likely the focus is more accurate than on the 5D mk3.
The question of weather sealing has never really been an issue as I only every use this lens indoors. If I want to photograph children or animals playing in the garden then this lens would never be able to keep up so I always pick a different lens for outdoor work.
It excels at studio work - still life or models that sit still and don't move around much.

 

[Loswr]

Re: Canon EF 85mm f/1.4L IS & Three More Lenses Coming at the End of August [CR2]

They do. 85L II is officialy - according to Canon's own web sites - designed to be moisture and dust resistent. Just look it up. B&H have just taken their description from Canon.

I have looked. No where do I see a statement that the 85/1.2L II offers 'weather- and dust-resistance'. Can you provide a link, or is it also the case for you that you 'don't have the mood to search'? Note that I'm not talking about the 'boilerplate' L-series quality language used across the line – even though that mentions weather- and dust-resistance, it's generic language used even on lenses like the TS-E L's, which are clearly not sealed (as a simple look through the back of the lens will confirm). I mean weather- and dust-resistance listed as a feature/benefit specific to the lens.

As several other Canon lenses with the same moisture and dust resistance it does not have any ruber gasket. Like the 50L which in addition needs a front filter.

So take a deep breath and relax.

The 50/1.2 L does have a mount gasket. Just look at it, where the mount meets the rear lens cap. Lenses without a mount gasket show bare metal with the rear lens cap mounted, e.g. the 35/1.4L and 85/1.2L II below. Lenses with a mount gasket appear black at the location, e.g. the 50/1.2L and 24-70/2.8L below, because of the rubber gasket.

So take a deep breath and try to get your facts straight, rather than adding even more misinformation to this thread.

 

[Loswr]

Re: Canon EF 85mm f/1.4L IS & Three More Lenses Coming at the End of August [CR2]

I never said the 85L is weathersealed (try to search that), I only said it's more sealed than other lenses like the "normal" 85mm f1.8.

The 85L 1.2 II is somewhat difficult to decide in weathersealing. It has no sealing on the bayonett but it's known to be quite weathersealed if you attach a frontfilter. The Body itself is well sealed.

First alternative facts, now you can't even remember what you wrote yesterday. Reminds me of a certain prominent political figure, do you happen to have orange skin and small hands? This is like having a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.

 

[arthurbikemad]

Re: Canon EF 85mm f/1.4L IS & Three More Lenses Coming at the End of August [CR2]

Oh my oh my, my 85 1.2 is here, and its raining : :-X ;D

Its slooooow (5D4), but awesome

Focal done, +2, lifes good 8)

p.s I think Canon installed some "dark matter" in there!! Jesus it has a big arse!

You have made a good choice - I hope you enjoy using yours as much as I have enjoyed using mine.
It works really well on my 5D mk4, and the results are better than anything I was able to achieve on the 5D mk3. Not sure why that is - maybe the additional resolution on the 5D mk4 or more likely the focus is more accurate than on the 5D mk3.
The question of weather sealing has never really been an issue as I only every use this lens indoors. If I want to photograph children or animals playing in the garden then this lens would never be able to keep up so I always pick a different lens for outdoor work.
It excels at studio work - still life or models that sit still and don't move around much.

Thanks for the info etc, so far I am loving it!!! I know the chatter of weather sealing is ongoing but given there is no rear gasket to me it's clear that one should avoid excessive water, rain drops for example are going land on the upper body and dribble down to the mount, thus the risk of water entering the body are greatly increased, I'd not want water in my 5D4 or 1DX2!!! Plus the fact the barrel of the lens extends when focusing so again IF the lens lacks sealing in that area who knows what the effects of water ingress could be, end of the day for me I would say IF Canon have failed to fit a rear gasket then they MAY have avoided weather sealing in other areas of the lens, this leave a simple answer for me, as far as I am concerned given the obvious facts to hand I conclude the lens is NOT weather sealed, I do use a front filter but thats for ease of cleaning and protection to the front element from minor damage (IQ maybe effected but I choose to run one). I could search around for tear downs and so on but like you the use of this beautiful work of art is to take great portraits, in my case they will be on dry sunny days haha, anyway sorry to invade the thread with my 85/1.2 excitement but all others around me have ZERO interest in my photographic gear. Cheers.

 

[jolyonralph]

Re: Canon EF 85mm f/1.4L IS & Three More Lenses Coming at the End of August [CR2]

As much as I am getting tired of this 85mm 1.2 II weathersealing debate, it's clear from the Canon website that the lens is NOT listed as weather sealed.

http://www.canon.co.uk/lenses/ef-85mm-f-1-2l-ii-usm-lens/specification.aspx

compare with a lens that is

http://www.canon.co.uk/lenses/ef-24-70mm-f-2-8l-ii-usm-lens/specification.aspx


Now, I personally wouldn't take my 85mm 1.2 out into a rainforest, but you're free to do whatever you wish with yours.

 

[ahsanford]

Re: Canon EF 85mm f/1.4L IS & Three More Lenses Coming at the End of August [CR2]

What's the over/under on the BR gunk showing up in this new 85L? 75%?

- A

 

[Loswr]

Re: Canon EF 85mm f/1.4L IS & Three More Lenses Coming at the End of August [CR2]

As much as I am getting tired of this 85mm 1.2 II weathersealing debate, it's clear from the Canon website that the lens is NOT listed as weather sealed.

Indeed. Also from the instruction manuals. Similarly, the 70-200mm f/4L is not a weathersealed lens (as can be seen from the lack of a mount gasket), whereas the 70-200mm f/4L IS is a weather sealed lens.

 

[Loswr]

Re: Canon EF 85mm f/1.4L IS & Three More Lenses Coming at the End of August [CR2]

We got claims of weather resistance of lenses that are obviously not. FYI, nobody says that a lens breaks down because of some rain drops even if it is not sealed. My 400D+50 1.8 regularly does regularly sessions in the rain and it is fine (so is my phone by the way). I should claim that that combination is sealed
This argument is similar to "It snows where I live, so global warming is not true".

+1

I've used my EF-S 17-55/2.8 in the rain, and when out and about I see plenty of people carrying a Rebel + kit lens around their neck in the rain.

But...I wouldn't bring my 85/1.2L II with me on Dr. Geyser's Remarkable Raft Ride to take pictures of my kids. However, I did just that with my 1D X and 24-70/2.8L II.

 

[ahsanford]

Re: Canon EF 85mm f/1.4L IS & Three More Lenses Coming at the End of August [CR2]

But...I wouldn't bring my 85/1.2L II with me on Dr. Geyser's Remarkable Raft Ride to take pictures of my kids. However, I did just that with my 1D X and 24-70/2.8L II.

Ditto on the Rain Room at LACMA -- I went with a filtered 16-35 f/4L IS for that*. The sensors are supposed to see to it that the rain misses you, but they were 'tuned' for people / reflective surfaces, etc. and a camera sure. ain't. that. I didn't get doused so much as steadily rained on.

*Deeply regretted not having a great large aperture prime for that exhibit -- I found very little pre-game intel from a photographer's perspective in advance, so I took the UWA zoom presuming it would be a typically cramped museum exhibit. Turns out we had a ton of space and something like a fast 50-85 prime would have been dynamite in there. The rain drops in the faster shutter'd shot were serviceable at f/4 but would have been absolutely gold bokeh at (say) f/1.4.

- A

 

[Loswr]

Re: Canon EF 85mm f/1.4L IS & Three More Lenses Coming at the End of August [CR2]

Still, even the sealed lenses (of any ILC manufacturer) have weather-resistance claims that are fishy at best from an engineering perspective. Simply put, they lack an IP rating of body-lens combinations, e.g. IP54.

Exactly. Well, almost exactly...the Nikon 1 AW1 with an appropriate AW-series lens is (was, I suppose, since Nikon has abandoned the whole lineup) an ILC that has an IPX8 waterproof rating (down to 15 m) and a MIL-STD 810F rating for shock protection. I'm sure it says somewhere in the instructions not to change lenses underwater.

Also, statements like "as good as the 5DIII" does not really say anything as they are not objectively verifiable or comparable. Sometimes, it seems that Canon invented their own unit of measure that goes by camera generation and make.
Obviously, sealing helps in practice but its everyone best guess what is acceptable and if it goes wrong its on the owner anyway..

Agreed. Personally, I have a weathersealed body and lenses so I don't have to worry about shooting in the rain (or on amusement park water rides), and I have my gear insured so I don't have to worry about the weathersealing.

 

[ahsanford]

Re: Canon EF 85mm f/1.4L IS & Three More Lenses Coming at the End of August [CR2]

@ahsanford cool stuff!

I know I'm OT, but everyone living in or coming to the LA area should keep their eyes peeled for LACMA to re-unveil this exhibit. It ended recently but is apparently coming back on a full-time basis (date TBD).

When you are in there, you only have 10 minutes or so and a jillion ideas for how you might use the rain drops/streams, the silhouettes, the stark/simple lighting setup, foreground bokeh opportunities, etc. It's a great think-on-fly-under-constraints creativity opportunity for photographers.

- A

 

[ahsanford]

Re: Canon EF 85mm f/1.4L IS & Three More Lenses Coming at the End of August [CR2]

Exactly. Well, almost exactly...the Nikon 1 AW1 with an appropriate AW-series lens is (was, I suppose, since Nikon has abandoned the whole lineup) an ILC that has an IPX8 waterproof rating (down to 15 m) and a MIL-STD 810F rating for shock protection. I'm sure it says somewhere in the instructions not to change lenses underwater.

Ugh. I rented the AW1 with it's AW-rated 10mm prime (27mm FF equiv :) for a Hawaii trip. It was stellar in good light (for its size) and a steaming hot pile of awfulsauce in poor light. Brightly colored fish underwater looked like cave paintings with acid poured on them, and everything about the underwater experience -- AF lock, shutter press, etc. was hard to verify -- so I just ended up spamming the shutter and hoping for the best.

- A

 

[Jopa]

Re: Canon EF 85mm f/1.4L IS & Three More Lenses Coming at the End of August [CR2]

Ditto on the Rain Room at LACMA -- I went with a filtered 16-35 f/4L IS for that*. The sensors are supposed to see to it that the rain misses you, but they were 'tuned' for people / reflective surfaces, etc. and a camera sure. ain't. that. I didn't get doused so much as steadily rained on.

Very cool pics!

I shot a few times with Zeiss MF lenses that claimed zero weather sealing, and never had problems... As far as I understand as long as a lens is not getting submerged - it should be fine

 

[vscd]

Re: Canon EF 85mm f/1.4L IS & Three More Lenses Coming at the End of August [CR2]

I never said the 85L is weathersealed (try to search that), I only said it's more sealed than other lenses like the "normal" 85mm f1.8.

The 85L 1.2 II is somewhat difficult to decide in weathersealing. It has no sealing on the bayonett but it's known to be quite weathersealed if you attach a frontfilter. The Body itself is well sealed.

First alternative facts, now you can't even remember what you wrote yesterday. Reminds me of a certain prominent political figure, do you happen to have orange skin and small hands? This is like having a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.

@neuroanatomist
Can you read properly? quite weathersealed means not weathersealed, but it's better than normal lenses. You make your world as you want it and then have the big mouth and try to be funny. That may work with your kind of guys but not in real life. You have to understand what other people write before you answer. Try it. It helps.

And as you're not even able to click on my links I can make a screenshot for you from BHP:

Now please try to be eloquent again. Please. And then go to a neuroanatomist.

 

[Larsskv]

Re: Canon EF 85mm f/1.4L IS & Three More Lenses Coming at the End of August [CR2]

As much as I love my 85LII, one of my complaints about it is that I have gotten dust inside its rear element. I have always kept it away from dusty environments, and have no idea how it happened. It's sealing against dust is far from perfect. And of course, it's not weather sealed by Canons own definition.

I remember though, that Roger Cicala took a Sony 35mm f 1.4 apart, and found lots of weather sealing gaskets, but somehow they forgot to seal the lens mount...

On another note, I am very curious about how the weather sealing of the 24-70 LII works. It extends when zooming. Does anyone know how it keeps "dry" when retracting again? I have never felt confident in it's weather sealing due to that.

 

[ahsanford]

Re: Canon EF 85mm f/1.4L IS & Three More Lenses Coming at the End of August [CR2]

As much as I love my 85LII, one of my complaints about it is that I have gotten dust inside its rear element.

I've never shot the 85L, but from all the postings/reviews I've seen on this, I'd aggregate the high-runner gripes to this list:

• AF = Slow AF (profanity millennial wordplay snap)
• FBW = not for everyone
• Wide open shooting is gorgeous, but it is generally only sharp in the center (the bokeh/'magic' folks love it, but sharpness obsessives long for the 85 offerings from Sigma or Zeiss instead)
• It should be (comprehensively) weather sealed and marketed as such
• IS would be nice

And I believe that's what we'll get in the new lens: an Art/Otus 'sharpness prioritized' big ol' pickle jar with quick and reliable AF. In short: it'll be an 85mm version of the 35L II with IS. (That's a home run lens here, right?)

- A