Canon EOS-1D X Mark II to Feature More Than 61 AF Points [CR2]

Mt Spokane Photography said:
I'm missing a understanding of a benefit for so many AF points....

Personally I'd love AF points to cover a much larger percentage of the screen. Even with the 5D3 I fairly often need to focus-recompose. It's great just being able to drop an AF point right on a subject's eye without shifting your composition. This is obviously valuable for portrait shooters working with large apertures and/or long lenses. If I had more AF points I'd be coming home with more keepers.

-pw
 
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adventureous said:
Is the 1DX shutter sound louder,quiter,or the same as 5DII ?

I don't have it in one link for you.

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-EOS-5D-Mark-III-DSLR-Camera-Review.aspx

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-EOS-1D-X-Digital-SLR-Camera-Review.aspx

In each, do a find on the word 'sound' and somewhere in the middle of the review are sounds clips comparing different cameras. The first link has the 5D2 vs. 5D3, and the second link has the 5D3 vs. the 1DX. Use your memory and compare.

- A
 
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aceflibble said:
Too often, a body comes out with more focus points but not more sensitive or accurate focus points. Sony and Fuji have AF points across the entire frame and they're very accurate, but they're all still so slow there's no advantage over manual focus. Nikon and Canon have been adding more and more focus points with every new model, but they're still no more accurate than they were ten years ago so you can never rely on the AF system entirely, unelss you have absolutely no other choice and have to trust to blind luck out of necessity.

It's a bizarre world where the fastest and most accurate focusing I've experienced is still the old 1Ds mkII (and the other bodies from that line) with the unassuming, cheap 100mm f/2. Even then, using anything other than the few cross-type centre points is asking for trouble. I thought the 1DX was going to finally solve my AF woes and let me be free of manual focusing for good, but nope, no dice, it may have more points but it's no more accurate and, if anything, very slightly slower.

1D X mkII bumps up the point count? Fine, if they can also bump up the sensitivity, speed and accuracy of at least the centre points. More points at the exact same performance they have now? May as well not bother, save some money.

Do you know what you are talking about?
 
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JoseB said:
Famateur said:
tpatana said:
They should implement laser pointer range detector, then it wouldn't matter if the mirror is up or down, pdaf and dpaf or such would be history. With SW control you could aim it anywhere on the pic, even long distances and it'd be more accurate than anything. Tell the SW to focus on person's eye, boom! Laser beam nails the eye.

...and blinds the model. Permanently. ;)

I know, I know...not that kind of laser. Still, your last sentence gave a funny visual of a model screaming in pain. But at least you got the shot! :P

It would a great photo with the head of the model exploding like a watermellon

Actually, my new phone (OnePlus Two) has a laser-AF for the camera. So why not in a DSLR?
 
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Sabaki said:
Question: Do all AF points perform equally, specifically in relation to the centre AF point?

Assuming they're all cross type AF points.
I believe that due to peripheral light falloff, the further you move away from the centre of frame the less light the AF system has to work on, and that this is why you will generally see the better-performing AF points are towards the centre of frame with less-capable AF points as you head towards the full frame edges.

Maybe a larger mirror box and secondary-mirror assembly is required to give a wider spread of high performance AF points
 
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kaihp said:
JoseB said:
Famateur said:
tpatana said:
They should implement laser pointer range detector, then it wouldn't matter if the mirror is up or down, pdaf and dpaf or such would be history. With SW control you could aim it anywhere on the pic, even long distances and it'd be more accurate than anything. Tell the SW to focus on person's eye, boom! Laser beam nails the eye.

...and blinds the model. Permanently. ;)

I know, I know...not that kind of laser. Still, your last sentence gave a funny visual of a model screaming in pain. But at least you got the shot! :P

It would a great photo with the head of the model exploding like a watermellon

Actually, my new phone (OnePlus Two) has a laser-AF for the camera. So why not in a DSLR?

It doesn't go through the lens, it goes to the side of it... so unless you're shooting a pancake the lens would probably block the laser. And then parallax issues, crazy calibration requirements, it would get expensive fast.
 
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applecider said:
Rbielfeld...
Your kingfisher pics are wonderful. I've had a love hate relationship with my local kingfishers, they seem to get active about ten minutes after good light passes and don't like to come close to me.
If I can get a lock on this fast flying bird I get good results with the 1DX but with the 500 or 600 with extender getting a lock with center point at dusk is challenging, so kudos.
What setting are you using for the focusing and what point spread do u use?

Post more in animal kingdom pls

Thanks so much for your comment. I use AF case #2, but I drop the tracking sensitivity parameter to the full negative setting. I use the center AF point with assist points active around it. This give me a bit of "slop" factor for not staying perfectly on the bird with the center point. I also use backbutton AF start in AI Servo mode. I tend the "pump" the back button as I track the bird to get AF to lock on and then hold as I shoot. If I lose AF I hit the AF button again. It is an iterative process when trying to stay on a small fast bird.
 
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aceflibble said:
Too often, a body comes out with more focus points but not more sensitive or accurate focus points. Sony and Fuji have AF points across the entire frame and they're very accurate, but they're all still so slow there's no advantage over manual focus. Nikon and Canon have been adding more and more focus points with every new model, but they're still no more accurate than they were ten years ago so you can never rely on the AF system entirely, unelss you have absolutely no other choice and have to trust to blind luck out of necessity.

It's a bizarre world where the fastest and most accurate focusing I've experienced is still the old 1Ds mkII (and the other bodies from that line) with the unassuming, cheap 100mm f/2. Even then, using anything other than the few cross-type centre points is asking for trouble. I thought the 1DX was going to finally solve my AF woes and let me be free of manual focusing for good, but nope, no dice, it may have more points but it's no more accurate and, if anything, very slightly slower.

1D X mkII bumps up the point count? Fine, if they can also bump up the sensitivity, speed and accuracy of at least the centre points. More points at the exact same performance they have now? May as well not bother, save some money.

I've owned the 100mmf2, and it was an AF rocket with IQ that was the equal of my 300mf2.8is(on my 5d/30d/40d/1dmk2 cameras at least). i sold it for a 85mm1.8 and regret it. I have no doubts about that lens, but the the 5dmk3 level AF is something entirely different. It's as though the older 1D level systems had loads of power and no brains, while the 5dmk3 has brains and just enough power for a nonpro action shooter. I'm willing to bet the 1dx has it all and any 1dxmk2 will be at least as good.
I for one don't care how many AF points are tightly packing in the middle of the frame. I want a couple in the middle and a few around each of the 1/3rd intersecting lines. Make them light up so i can actually see them(like they do while reviewing images on the LCD because clearly they need to be)and work in crappy light, and i'm good. If i can't keep an AF point or two over a high contrast area of the frame I should go into landscape photography.
 
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Beautiful shots.

I have been shooting with the 5DIII since it came out. The kind of examples you have posted are the kind of shots that the 5DIII has trouble with, due to less effective AF.

I am anxiously awaiting announcement of both 5DIV and 1DXII. I'm saving my $ and may just take the leap to the 1DX. When that happens, the question for me will be "will the price drop in the 1DX be too tempting to forgo the MKII version with its improvements?". I suspect that will be hard, if for nothing else, the irrational desire to get the latest and greatest, and knowing that for me, it may be many years until I get the opportunity to update the body again.

Regarding the AF point spread and hand off, I suspect that the processing power of the new digic 7 should take care of it. Canon had enough time to get that right.

rbielefeld said:
aceflibble said:
Too often, a body comes out with more focus points but not more sensitive or accurate focus points. Sony and Fuji have AF points across the entire frame and they're very accurate, but they're all still so slow there's no advantage over manual focus. Nikon and Canon have been adding more and more focus points with every new model, but they're still no more accurate than they were ten years ago so you can never rely on the AF system entirely, unelss you have absolutely no other choice and have to trust to blind luck out of necessity.

It's a bizarre world where the fastest and most accurate focusing I've experienced is still the old 1Ds mkII (and the other bodies from that line) with the unassuming, cheap 100mm f/2. Even then, using anything other than the few cross-type centre points is asking for trouble. I thought the 1DX was going to finally solve my AF woes and let me be free of manual focusing for good, but nope, no dice, it may have more points but it's no more accurate and, if anything, very slightly slower.

1D X mkII bumps up the point count? Fine, if they can also bump up the sensitivity, speed and accuracy of at least the centre points. More points at the exact same performance they have now? May as well not bother, save some money.

I find the talk of the inaccurate and slow AF on the current 1Dx to be a bit perplexing. I have owned and shot many of Canon's DSLR bodies over the years and used the AF systems to try and track all sorts of small and fast subjects. I specialize in bird in flight photography. I have been shooting the 1Dx since it was available and find the AF system to be very fast and very accurate under very challenging conditions and by far the best Canon has produced. The lenses I have used most are the 500 f/4 IS Mk. I and the 600 f/4 IS Mk. II. Both shot with and without the Canon 1.4x and 2x tele-converters. I am sure the 1Dx Mk. II will have even a better AF system, but the current AF system is really amazing to me. Images posted below so people reading this don't take me for some neophyte photographer who would not know a good AF system if it bit him. Click on images for larger versions.
 
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neuroanatomist said:
tpatana said:
They should implement laser pointer range detector, then it wouldn't matter if the mirror is up or down, pdaf and dpaf or such would be history. With SW control you could aim it anywhere on the pic, even long distances and it'd be more accurate than anything. Tell the SW to focus on person's eye, boom! Laser beam nails the eye.

Oooo, that would be great. Good for taking pictures of planes, too!

Then there would be a Camera Registration thread to match the one about drones.
 
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clicstudio said:
Can't wait! My 1DX has 351,000 actuations already, the grip needs glue, it has sand and glitter on it... ::)
Need a new one asap! :o

Please Canon! Better DR and even faster AF with a wider grid that can focus on a face when shooting a full body portrait!

yes!!!
 
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