Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specification List [CR1]

[KarstenReis]

Not buying this rumor, not completely at least.

The 5D3 had a highly similar AF setup to the 1DX, and I expect something similar to occur w.r.t. the 1DX II AF setup. There's value for Canon in doing this, perhaps as a 2nd rig for an event shooter.

Also, 24 MP X 7 fps is leaving a s--- ton of meat on the bone processing-wise. If we can move 50 MP x 5 fps, we could easily move 24 MP x 8-10 fps with a second chip. On that topic, I have yet to hear a compelling reason why a similarly-priced 5DS and much much cheaper 7D2 warrant two chips and the 5D4 still only gets one chip. Put two chips in there, nerf the fps if you are truly worried about shutter/mirror durability or think a 10 fps rig is a threat to 1DX II sales, but 24 MP x 9 fps seems about right.

- A

Agree on the fps. Seems a little on the low side 5D2 -> 5D3 was 3.9 -> 6.0 fps. I was thinking 8 would be a good spot. Keeps 7D2 ahead in that department by 2 fps and 1DX2 by 6.

 

[unfocused]

...sure you want more but realistically you will only get so much. Many want the new model in the 5D line to be a mini 1D, many want the new 6D to be a 5D style body.

Both the 6D2 and 5D4 will be better than their former selves. Not mind blowingly better but incrementally...

Sucks that realistic expectations don't make a good rumor mill. I get that. But they work and work well.

If you keep talking sense like that, you are going to get banned from CR.

Seriously, I don't know what is so hard to figure out. The 5D IV will be better than the 5D III and not as good as the 1D X II. There isn't a lot of room to maneuver there, so it doesn't take rocket science to come up with a pretty good idea of where things will fall.

 

[ahsanford]

Also, 24 MP X 7 fps is leaving a s--- ton of meat on the bone processing-wise. If we can move 50 MP x 5 fps, we could easily move 24 MP x 8-10 fps with a second chip.

Historically, the 5D's (not to confuse with the 5Ds ) have only used a single DIGIC processor (DIGIC II, DIGIC 4, DIGIC 5+) vs 2 for the 5Ds/R and 7D series.

With 24.1Mpix x 7fps it would push ~169Mpix/sec, vs ~162Mpix/sec per DIGIC6+ for the 1Dx Mk II. This is very similar to the 1Dx/5D3 ratio.

Well aware, and that's why I am lobbying for a 2nd chip. It's less about being 'half the throughput of a 1DX II' -- it's more about having half the throughput of a 5DS or 7D2 that I have a problem with.

Why does the high res rig and a wildlife crop rig (two completely different user groups) get a 2nd chip and the 5D line -- a staple professional brand -- have to make due with one hand behind it's back? Forget 'Canon historically does this' and please, someone, convey to me why Canon does this for any reason other than nerfing the 5D line from approaching the 1D line's attractiveness?

I'm not asking this mockingly or with any certainty of my position -- I actually want to understand. Would two chips + 24 MP X 9 fps drive a far far costlier mirror/shutter setup? Did they leave the 2nd chip out to put in some necessary video encoding hardware or something?

So please set me straight. It just seems odd that if Canon can push 50 x 5 through a 5DS with two chips in what is effectively a 5D3-sized housing, a 5D4 should be able to net that same throughput with different 'mix' to MP x FPS.

- A

 

[StudentOfLight]

If you were to assume the same data rate, would the number of processors affect power consumption?

 

[sebasan]

For 7fps, i will desire a 30mp+ sensor. The only way that I could change my 5DIII for this new one is that the new sensor will be really better.

 

[slclick]

...sure you want more but realistically you will only get so much. Many want the new model in the 5D line to be a mini 1D, many want the new 6D to be a 5D style body.

Both the 6D2 and 5D4 will be better than their former selves. Not mind blowingly better but incrementally...

Sucks that realistic expectations don't make a good rumor mill. I get that. But they work and work well.

If you keep talking sense like that, you are going to get banned from CR.

Seriously, I don't know what is so hard to figure out. The 5D IV will be better than the 5D III and not as good as the 1D X II. There isn't a lot of room to maneuver there, so it doesn't take rocket science to come up with a pretty good idea of where things will fall.

yep but still people think Canon has a design your own body for less program

 

[Sharlin]

My eurocents:

24.2MP Sensor

My guess till now has been either 24 or 28MP, but if it's 24MP then 7fps sounds low.

DIGIC 7+ (Single)

7+? Sounds very dubious. No DSLR even has a DIGIC 7 yet, and a hypothetical 7+ would probably have way more processing power than just 24MP*7fps.

7fps

As mentioned above, seems low if the sensor is 24MP, the same data rate as the 80D but the processor is most probably faster than the 80D's DIGIC 6. Plausible if the sensor turns out to be 28MP instead.

ISO 100-51,200 (expandable options)

Plausible, even probable (if 51k is max native) - same as the 1DX2 and +1 stop compared to the 5D3.

 

[M_S]

I really hope 24MP is not the final number. I was totally hoping for 28MP.

+1 .
I even am hoping for a 32-33MP sensor, as I see the Mark IV as a strong contender to the D810 from Nikon. With this MP count I am double and triple thinking about upgrading from my Mark III. Since it would mean to buy new cards and possibly new batteries as well, one can look at other options too.

 

[kaihp]

Why does the high res rig and a wildlife crop rig (two completely different user groups) get a 2nd chip and the 5D line -- a staple professional brand -- have to make due with one hand behind it's back? Forget 'Canon historically does this' and please, someone, convey to me why Canon does this for any reason other than nerfing the 5D line from approaching the 1D line's attractiveness?

To paraphrase a discussion I had on reddit about Honda not going back from their terrible 2015 model to the super-dominant 2014 model of their RC213V MotoGP racebike the other day:
"Because Canon"

In other words: your guess is as good as mine. We just know they're set in their ways.

DIGIC 7+ (Single)

7+? Sounds very dubious. No DSLR even has a DIGIC 7 yet, and a hypothetical 7+ would probably have way more processing power than just 24MP*7fps.

Sounds like a typo. DIGIC 6+ sounds much more likely.

 

[ahsanford]

yep but still people think Canon has a design your own body for less program

I'm entirely down with another $3500 FF rig -- I have no delusions of a $2k 6D2 that performs at a 5D level. But I'm asking what the 'killer apps' are. As best I can tell, the 5D4 will offer over a current 5D3:

• A better sensor in general (DR, noise in high ISO, etc.)
• +1-2 fps
• +2 MP
• An improved AF system (tons on speculation right now)
• DPAF
• 4K (tons of will-they vs. won't-they speculation)
• Anti-flicker mode
• Wifi (rumored)
• Touchscreen (rumored)
• Illuminated buttons, perhaps?

Is that worth a $3500 refresh? This varies for each of us, of course, but since I don't shoot video and they aren't aggressively increasing the MP count, that sensor had better deliver or I'll wait 4.5 more years for a 5D5.

- A

 

[ahsanford]

And yes, by omission on my list above, I may have subtly been alluding to someday be able to spot meter at any AF point -- that would certainly help my needle move from 'No Sale' to 'Oooh. Maybe. Damn you, Canon'. :

- A

 

[MayaTlab]

yep but still people think Canon has a design your own body for less program

I'm entirely down with another $3500 FF rig -- I have no delusions of a $2k 6D2 that performs at a 5D level. But I'm asking what the 'killer apps' are. As best I can tell, the 5D4 will offer over a current 5D3:

• A better sensor in general (DR, noise in high ISO, etc.)
• +1-2 fps
• +2 MP
• An improved AF system (tons on speculation right now)
• DPAF
• 4K (tons of will-they vs. won't-they speculation)
• Anti-flicker mode
• Wifi (rumored)
• Touchscreen (rumored)
• Illuminated buttons, perhaps?

Is that worth a $3500 refresh? This varies for each of us, of course, but since I don't shoot video and they aren't aggressively increasing the MP count, that sensor had better deliver or I'll wait 4.5 more years for a 5D5.

- A

There will also be a much improved metering sensor.

7 fps at 24mp is a little low. The main issue with this spec list is that, other than DPAF (which looks amazing) it's basically what the D760 will offer, but at a €2000 price point and maybe with a 28mp sensor even. And a few QA issues to boot, for the sake of tradition .

 

[makistza]

If that specs is real, Sony will probably gets much much wealthy...
As for me, to upgrade from 5diii must AT LEAST the new camera has
Nikon 810 specs and higher.

 

[pierlux]

yep but still people think Canon has a design your own body for less program

I'm entirely down with another $3500 FF rig -- I have no delusions of a $2k 6D2 that performs at a 5D level. But I'm asking what the 'killer apps' are. As best I can tell, the 5D4 will offer over a current 5D3:

• A better sensor in general (DR, noise in high ISO, etc.)
• +1-2 fps
• +2 MP
• An improved AF system (tons on speculation right now)
• DPAF
• 4K (tons of will-they vs. won't-they speculation)
• Anti-flicker mode
• Wifi (rumored)
• Touchscreen (rumored)
• Illuminated buttons, perhaps?

Is that worth a $3500 refresh? This varies for each of us, of course, but since I don't shoot video and they aren't aggressively increasing the MP count, that sensor had better deliver or I'll wait 4.5 more years for a 5D5.

- A

Add:

• GPS
• An unspecified number of f/8 AF points (probably)
• Less weight (rumored)
• AF area selector (probably)
• The return of illuminated AF points (rumored)

To answer your question, and relatively to myself if I had a 5D III, probably no, although selling the Mark III would make the refresh much less costly than $3500. In addition, being not compelled to buy it at release time, the cost would further slim down.

But to me, a 5D II owner, these specs are pure gold! That said, I'm no longer going to be an early adopter. Already did with both the 5D II and 7D II, not worth it, I'm not a pro. It took only a few months for the price to considerably drop. This time I'll wait, I promise!

 

[Loswr]

Is that worth a $3500 refresh? This varies for each of us, of course, but since I don't shoot video and they aren't aggressively increasing the MP count, that sensor had better deliver or I'll wait 4.5 more years for a 5D5.

The 5DII offered more MP (and video before it was popular), was that a worthwhile refresh? The 5DIII offered effectively the same MP and sensor IQ, and better everything else, was that a worthwhile refresh?

It seems we're in the zone of diminishing returns - longer cycles, less change. Also, consider the overall strategy regarding target audience: who is a more likely buyer of a 5DIV – a 5DIII owner, or someone with a 5DII, 6D or APS-C body? Canon has data collected from prior releases to inform on that, and I'm sure it guides their feature choices across the lines.

 

[Loswr]

If that specs is real, Sony will probably gets much much wealthy...

I love how threads like this bring the trolls crawling from their caves. :

Given that the plant which produces sensors for their MILCs is closed indefinitely due to the earthquakes, it's quite apparent that Sony will be losing much wealth – in fact, they've delayed their scheduled earnings forecast until they can figure out just how bad it's going to turn out.

But you be a good little troll and don't let facts and data impinge on your biased, myopic little world view.

 

[pierlux]

About the rumored new battery, I think we should not dress our head before having broken it. Compatibility with LP-E6/6n is possible, so let's wait for more substantial information before complaining.

About CFast, I've just checked how much I paid for a SanDisk Extreme IV 8 GB UDMA in late 2008: 144 Euros! But I wanted to try out the video capabilities of my 5D II, so I bought it anyway. A few months later, UDMA cards dropped to 1/4 of their launch price. CFast are going to be no exception, as soon as their sales skyrocket, the price will drop greatly.

 

[slclick]

About the rumored new battery, I think we should not dress our head before having broken it. Compatibility with LP-E6/6n is possible, so let's wait for more substantial information before complaining.

About CFast, I've just checked how much I paid for a SanDisk Extreme IV 8 GB UDMA in late 2008: 144 Euros! But I wanted to try out the video capabilities of my 5D II, so I bought it anyway. A few months later, UDMA cards dropped to 1/4 of their launch price. CFast are going to be no exception, as soon as their sales skyrocket, the price will drop greatly.

CFast/CF makes much more sense. My SD slot stays empty.

 

[ahsanford]

There will also be a much improved metering sensor.

7 fps at 24mp is a little low. The main issue with this spec list is that, other than DPAF (which looks amazing) it's basically what the D760 will offer, but at a €2000 price point and maybe with a 28mp sensor even. And a few QA issues to boot, for the sake of tradition .

The reason the D750 is such a monkey wrench in market segmentation is that Nikon did what a lot of Canon people want -- a middle ground between the entry FF and the top end (non-gripped) FF. The D750 is a blend of the D610 and D810, and they decisions they made for which side of the aisle to take features from were decent ones -- they kept the pixel count low and cost manageable, and they sprinkled in a better-than-entry-level AF system and 6.5 fps.

It's a real monkey wrench because Canon presently offers (official US reseller prices):

• A fairly stripped down 6D1 for $1399 (granted, it's up for a refresh)
• A near end-of-life-cycle 5D3 for $2499 (ditto)
• A super high-res sort-of 'all-rounder' in the 5DS for ~ $3500

I don't think anyone would invest $2500 in a 5D3 in year 4+ of its lifecycle, so folks needing an FF rig have a choice of a $1399 rig or a $3500 rig. I rarely give Nikon credit, but they hit the mark functionality-wise and value-proposition-wise with the 750D, and I'd love to see our Canon future FF landscape look like:

• 6D2 -- 5 FPS x 20 MP + basic AF @ $1750
• Something new -- 6-7 FPS x 24 MP + better AF @ $2500
• 5D4 or 5DS @ $3500 (choose 'all-arounder' or high res, up to you)

- A

 

[Loswr]

I don't think anyone would invest $2500 in a 5D3 in year 4+ of its lifecycle, so folks needing an FF rig have a choice of a $1399 rig or a $3500 rig.

And yet, right now on Amazon the 5DIII is the #8 best-selling dSLR, while the 6D, 5DsR and 5Ds come in at #18, #54, and #105, respectively. So at least microcosm of Amazon.com, reality contradicts your thoughts on the matter.