Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specification List [CR1]

[LoneRider]

Yes, I shoot Sony, but I'm not sonyboy I would be glad to have really innovative camera from Canon. I used both Canon and Sony systems about a year before my final decision to sell Canon. Now I see how evolves Sony's technology. I'm waiting really new products for FE system. And what is going on on Canon market? NOTHING!!!

Hmmm, maybe I am overly optimistic, but I am thinking the 80D and 1DX-ii are pretty darn good. I would hardly call them NOTHING.

And sadly, I am feeding your troll. To all others I apologize. Hmm, and I bet the 80D or 1DX-ii won't overheat .......

 

[Refurb7]

I'm just hoping for more DR. Nikon and Sony kill Canon on this. MP is not that important to me and many others. I start getting noise from 100iso images by only pushing 1.5 stops in lightroom from RAW photos on my 5d mark III's. Unacceptable Canon!!!! I just can't give up all my L lenses. Looks like I may have to wait for the 6d mark II.

You must be doing something wrong. I've been shooting Canon for some 15 years and never have this problem.

 

[tpatana]

Lets all agree to say no to dual yet different card slots! CFast makes sense CFast + SD doesn't. Same with CFast + CF. If you can afford to spend $3200/$6000 on your camera you can afford to upgrade your cards to a significantly better one.

I've so many times told here that being able to skip eating for couple months and buying awesome camera, doesn't mean you want to shell out some $300-$500 for new memory cards.

This is silly. A semi-pro cam goes with semi-pro/pro glass. How could you go down that route but not be able to afford 300-500 bucks for cards? And why would I have to compromise because of that...

So any camera model, you are ok for 10% price increase?

If you can already afford the one you're planning to buy, surely you can afford 10% increase.

That's how it sounds to me, and I don't like it.

 

[Refurb7]

I sold my 5D mkIII about a year ago and bought innovative Sony A7 because small size and weight, EVF, IBIS and articulated screen are very suitable for my amateur needs. And yes, Sony's sensor performs noticeably better .
And now looking at the specs I'm asking, where is the progress, Canon? I shot Canon 5D cameras about 5 years starting from mk I. Mk II was really big step forward - really fantastic camera for its time. Mk III brought modern autofocus. It was single but really needed feature to update. But what is the reason for update to mkIV for Canon shooters now?

• + 2 Mp
• touchscreen
• built-in Wifi & GPS

Is it really all 4 years progress? Canon, I'm very disapointed!

How are you disapointed when you shoot Sony?

Yes, I shoot Sony, but I'm not sonyboy I would be glad to have really innovative camera from Canon. I used both Canon and Sony systems about a year before my final decision to sell Canon. Now I see how evolves Sony's technology. I'm waiting really new products for FE system. And what is going on on Canon market? NOTHING!!!

I bought the innovative Sony A72. I struggled with it for a while but ultimately couldn't stand it because it:
- had very slow focus in low light (if it could focus at all); I was missing moments constantly and couldn't trust it for any professional work;
- had a slow start up time during which you can't see anything in the viewfinder;
- had poor battery life;
- had worse color than any of my Canons;
- had poor control of active focus points and focus points that are too big;
- had poorly designed menus;
- had various system gaps and deficiencies;
- had some lenses that were overpriced for the image & build quality that they offered.

For a time I was reading Sony forums and seeing how some Sony users struggle with basic stuff. For example, I recall someone struggling with indoor fluorescent lighting causing exposures and colors to vary within each exposure, basically ruining many of their indoor sports photos. If they had Canon's anti-flicker feature, this would be automatically eliminated.

 

[AdamBotond]

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV forseeable IQ at ISO 51k

what do you think:
Will these alleged 51k ISO look more like 25k on the 5D3 or is there a slight chance that they might look even more like 12.8 K on the 5D3. 12.8 on my current 6D look pretty decent. Had a 5D3 before...

I'm expecting a slightly better high ISO performance than the recent 6D, but not by much. The thing is that the higher the MP is, the worse the high ISO performance, DR, fps are. And Canon didn't give us both high MP and great low light capabilities at the same time like Nikon did. Speaking of which, I am wondering why so many are desperate for a 28MP+ 5D successor. I would much rather have a 22-24 MP 5D successor with great high ISO, DR, faster fps, than a 36 MP camera with weak high iso, less DR, 5 fps and so on. If you are really going for MP, there is 5Ds/5DsR, right?

 

[gregory4000]

Sony A7rii will not handle extreme weather as well as a Conon 1dx and customer support is a decade behind Nikon and Canon. But if your a portrait, landscape and street photographer, its, in my opinion better than Canon and Nikon.

 

[slclick]

And once again, welcome to the Sony Segue.

 

[Robin 58]

If this IS the spec on a MK IV then Canon will lose a customer if the launch price is still over 2 grand. I have been a lover of Pentax since 1963 and still have an LX film camera. Only reason for swapping to Canon was to go FF. However, Pentax have just launched the K1 FF camera at under 2 grand. 36MP and ISO to 208400. Wi-Fi and GPS, AA Filter Free and all for around £1600. Sorry Canon, the MK IV has to be better than this if it is going to cost nearly a grand more!

 

[slclick]

If this IS the spec on a MK IV then Canon will lose a customer if the launch price is still over 2 grand. I have been a lover of Pentax since 1963 and still have an LX film camera. Only reason for swapping to Canon was to go FF. However, Pentax have just launched the K1 FF camera at under 2 grand. 36MP and ISO to 208400. Wi-Fi and GPS, AA Filter Free and all for around £1600. Sorry Canon, the MK IV has to be better than this if it is going to cost nearly a grand more!

There is absolutely 0% chance a 5Dmk4 will be <$3k...from the gitgo. Wait a year, get one on sale, try for a refurb or a Street Deal on CPW maybe. But as always, it takes time.

I'm trying hard not to say you're crazy for asking for it to be that price since the 4 year old Mk3 is right about that right now.

 

[justsomedude]

I'm just hoping for more DR. Nikon and Sony kill Canon on this. MP is not that important to me and many others. I start getting noise from 100iso images by only pushing 1.5 stops in lightroom from RAW photos on my 5d mark III's. Unacceptable Canon!!!! I just can't give up all my L lenses. Looks like I may have to wait for the 6d mark II.

You must be doing something wrong. I've been shooting Canon for some 15 years and never have this problem.

Hey, I'm a Canon guy like most of us here. But there's not need to be flippant. It's been well documented all over the place that the 5D3 is way behind the Nikon and Sony offerings when it comes to shadow recovery. We can be honest about that without saying we're selling all our gear and switching sides...

I considered the old "A7RII switcheroo" last year. The photos those cameras are churning out just can't compete with anything Canon has on the market right now. The sensors are just insane when it comes to DR.

I've waited 14 months already... what's another 5 to see what Canon has up their sleeves?

I hope the 5D4 has the DR everyone here is hoping for. Fingers crossed...

 

[Robin 58]

From SLClick - ['There is absolutely 0% chance a 5Dmk4 will be <$3k...from the gitgo. Wait a year, get one on sale, try for a refurb or a Street Deal on CPW maybe. But as always, it takes time.
I'm trying hard not to say you're crazy for asking for it to be that price since the 4 year old Mk3 is right about that right now.']

The MK IV will be less than the current 5DS and that is £2999. I expect the launch price to be around £2500. However, I wasn't asking for it to cost less, I was suggesting that the spec should be MUCH better than the Pentax if it's going to cost around £1000 more. The only thing that the MK IV seems to have better than the K1 is a better FPS. The other advantage with Pentax is that image stabilisation is in the body not the lens, making the lenses cheaper to make and buy. Canons delay on launching the MK IV may well be their downfall. I can see a lot going to Nikon as well. They made a big mistake with the entry level 1200D as it was reduced in spec from the 1100D to keep the price down and newcomers went to Nikon instead. Hopefully they haven't done the same thing with the 5D MK IV!

 

[privatebydesign]

I was suggesting that the spec should be MUCH better than the Pentax if it's going to cost around £1000 more.

That isn't how market forces work, so stop dreaming. History has proven Canon don't need to throw in everything and the kitchen sink to make sales, so they won't.

 

[Loswr]

The only thing that the MK IV seems to have better than the K1 is a better FPS.

Well, that...and a fully developed system of lenses, flashes, etc. Little stuff.

 

[Ph0t0]

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV forseeable IQ at ISO 51k

what do you think:
Will these alleged 51k ISO look more like 25k on the 5D3 or is there a slight chance that they might look even more like 12.8 K on the 5D3. 12.8 on my current 6D look pretty decent. Had a 5D3 before...

I'm expecting a slightly better high ISO performance than the recent 6D, but not by much. The thing is that the higher the MP is, the worse the high ISO performance, DR, fps are. And Canon didn't give us both high MP and great low light capabilities at the same time like Nikon did. Speaking of which, I am wondering why so many are desperate for a 28MP+ 5D successor. I would much rather have a 22-24 MP 5D successor with great high ISO, DR, faster fps, than a 36 MP camera with weak high iso, less DR, 5 fps and so on. If you are really going for MP, there is 5Ds/5DsR, right?

Well... I wish for a good compromise between MP, DR, ISO and some other functions. A camera with 28-36MP 7-8fps on chip ADC would be great for my needs.
If you are really going for faster fps and great high ISO, there is 1DX MkII, right?

 

[ahsanford]

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV forseeable IQ at ISO 51k

what do you think:
Will these alleged 51k ISO look more like 25k on the 5D3 or is there a slight chance that they might look even more like 12.8 K on the 5D3. 12.8 on my current 6D look pretty decent. Had a 5D3 before...

I'm expecting a slightly better high ISO performance than the recent 6D, but not by much. The thing is that the higher the MP is, the worse the high ISO performance, DR, fps are. And Canon didn't give us both high MP and great low light capabilities at the same time like Nikon did. Speaking of which, I am wondering why so many are desperate for a 28MP+ 5D successor. I would much rather have a 22-24 MP 5D successor with great high ISO, DR, faster fps, than a 36 MP camera with weak high iso, less DR, 5 fps and so on. If you are really going for MP, there is 5Ds/5DsR, right?

Well... I wish for a good compromise between MP, DR, ISO and some other functions. A camera with 28-36MP 7-8fps on chip ADC would be great for my needs.
If you are really going for faster fps and great high ISO, there is 1DX MkII, right?

Highlighted above is why expectations are high with folks. The D800/800E/810 rigs scratched so many itches so damn hard -- DR / MP / high ISO -- that it briefly looked like physics didn't apply to Nikon. The D800 tripled the resolution of the D700 and DR and high ISO performance considerably improved. That's not supposed to be possible in a single design iteration.

That single sort of 'yahtzee' moment is what many on the Canon side of the fence -- reasonably or unreasonably -- are hoping for. It's an absurd place where you can have your cake and eat it too because everything gets better! But the D800 breakthrough in sensor performance is often cited as a precedent when arguing that it can happen.

I'm not holding my breath on that.

- A

 

[zim]

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV forseeable IQ at ISO 51k

Highlighted above is why expectations are high with folks. The D800/800E/810 rigs scratched so many itches so damn hard -- DR / MP / high ISO -- that it briefly looked like physics didn't apply to Nikon. The D800 tripled the resolution of the D700 and DR and high ISO performance considerably improved. That's not supposed to be possible in a single design iteration.

That single sort of 'yahtzee' moment is what many on the Canon side of the fence -- reasonably or unreasonably -- is hoping for. It's an absurd place where you can have your cake and eat it too because everything gets better! But the D800 breakthrough in sensor performance is often cited as a precedent when arguing that it can happen.

I'm not holding my breath on that.

- A

Well my hopes are still for 28MP/8fps/1dx2 DR noise characteristics
Don't think that's asking for too much cake and certainly not against the laws of physics! ;D

Edited the DR bit that's actually not that high up my list compared to noise

 

[romanr74]

Lets all agree to say no to dual yet different card slots! CFast makes sense CFast + SD doesn't. Same with CFast + CF. If you can afford to spend $3200/$6000 on your camera you can afford to upgrade your cards to a significantly better one.

I've so many times told here that being able to skip eating for couple months and buying awesome camera, doesn't mean you want to shell out some $300-$500 for new memory cards.

This is silly. A semi-pro cam goes with semi-pro/pro glass. How could you go down that route but not be able to afford 300-500 bucks for cards? And why would I have to compromise because of that...

So any camera model, you are ok for 10% price increase?

If you can already afford the one you're planning to buy, surely you can afford 10% increase.

That's how it sounds to me, and I don't like it.

it is just like mortgages; if a 1% interest rate increase kills you then don't get the house, but don't blame the interest rate

 

[tpatana]

Lets all agree to say no to dual yet different card slots! CFast makes sense CFast + SD doesn't. Same with CFast + CF. If you can afford to spend $3200/$6000 on your camera you can afford to upgrade your cards to a significantly better one.

I've so many times told here that being able to skip eating for couple months and buying awesome camera, doesn't mean you want to shell out some $300-$500 for new memory cards.

This is silly. A semi-pro cam goes with semi-pro/pro glass. How could you go down that route but not be able to afford 300-500 bucks for cards? And why would I have to compromise because of that...

So any camera model, you are ok for 10% price increase?

If you can already afford the one you're planning to buy, surely you can afford 10% increase.

That's how it sounds to me, and I don't like it.

it is just like mortgages; if a 1% interest rate increase kills you then don't get the house, but don't blame the interest rate

Please answer my question, are you ok to pay extra 10% on any camera body you buy?

 

[romanr74]

Lets all agree to say no to dual yet different card slots! CFast makes sense CFast + SD doesn't. Same with CFast + CF. If you can afford to spend $3200/$6000 on your camera you can afford to upgrade your cards to a significantly better one.

I've so many times told here that being able to skip eating for couple months and buying awesome camera, doesn't mean you want to shell out some $300-$500 for new memory cards.

This is silly. A semi-pro cam goes with semi-pro/pro glass. How could you go down that route but not be able to afford 300-500 bucks for cards? And why would I have to compromise because of that...

So any camera model, you are ok for 10% price increase?

If you can already afford the one you're planning to buy, surely you can afford 10% increase.

That's how it sounds to me, and I don't like it.

it is just like mortgages; if a 1% interest rate increase kills you then don't get the house, but don't blame the interest rate

Please answer my question, are you ok to pay extra 10% on any camera body you buy?

That's not the relevant question here. The question is if the body shall have performance level matching components and thus require performance level matching accessories. In the case of SD cards I believe this is not performance level matching for a series 5 body. If now there is (coincidentally) a change in card technology from CF cards to CFast card as state of the art technology I'd rather bite the bullet versus regretting the next four years that my brand new camera features legacy technology. The SD card slot in my 5d does nothing but collect dust, it is de facto a 1 memory card slot camera however you put it...

 

[ehouli]

Guys if you're expecting/wanting/hoping for a better sensor, yes it would probably happen, maybe the new 5D Mk IV will have the same noise handling as the actual 6D but won't expect anything bette than that.

Canon has proven time after time that their improvements are really small sensor after sensor so it would be better to keep taking the pictures the best exposed as possible and not rely on the sensor's DR.

Also, I think it would probably happen that the next 6D iteration will have better sensor than the 5D Mk IV. Why? because Canon expects to get more money from the 5D line to recover the R&D investments as soon as possible, then when that is done, the new 6D will come and they won't invest as much R&D but use the research from the 5D line. That happened when the 6D came out and still has a very respectable image quality.

I like Canon over Nikon because of the lens line and also the Cameras are very dependable. Nikon has been having QC issues too very often as they are a smaller company/factory than Canon, other than that I don't take my expectations too high on the new 5D sensor DR/Noise handling department.