Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specification List [CR1]

[romanr74]

The lackluster "upgrade" between 5DII and 5DIII actually made me wait 7 years to upgrade at all. At that was not even to the 5DIV.

Rewriting history? I wasn't following things closely back then,

Obviously did not... Lots of 5DII owners did not upgrade. Forums - including this one - are full of 5DII-owners scratching their heads while they wait.

I'm always fascinated how people making such comments believe they know what they state...

 

[romanr74]

...and the 5D3 sold like hotcakes.

Do you have any numbers?

Hilarious - do you?

 

[Loswr]

...and the 5D3 sold like hotcakes.

Do you have any numbers?

Ok, this one stopped me in my tracks. Are you actually denying the volume of 5D3 sales?

Well, he didn't buy one so it can't have sold well. I mean, Canon said it has sold well, but it's not like they'd know anything about it. :

 

[Maiaibing]

...and the 5D3 sold like hotcakes.

Do you have any numbers?

Hilarious - do you?

I did not make any statement about sales numbers. In fact my question already makes your question obviously superfluous. I have none - and therefore I do not make such claims.

But if someone claims a camera sold like "hotcakes" it indicates that some kind of facts are available to make this claim. What I do know for a fact is that Canon DSLR sales dropped like a rock in the years after the 5DIII was launched (2013/14/15).

 

[slclick]

...and the 5D3 sold like hotcakes.

Do you have any numbers?

Hilarious - do you?

I did not make any statement about sales numbers. In fact my question already makes your question obviously superfluous. I have none - and therefore I do not make such claims.

But if someone claims a camera sold like "hotcakes" it indicates that some kind of facts are available to make this claim. What I do know for a fact is that Canon DSLR sales dropped like a rock in the years after the 5DIII was launched (2013/14/15).

You must be fun at parties what with the whole corner on fact gathering and all. Somethings are a given. Maybe not to those so functionally close to being mistaken for an AI yet we 'know' certain things.

Kittens are cute, grass is green, lots of 5D3's were sold....givens.

 

[ahsanford]

...and the 5D3 sold like hotcakes.

Do you have any numbers?

Ok, this one stopped me in my tracks. Are you actually denying the volume of 5D3 sales?

Sorry, I stepped away. Of course no one has hard data, but consider all the circumstantial evidence of the 5D3's success:

• 4+ years after launch, it is still in the top 20 SLRs sold at Amazon.
• Canon still hasn't replaced it yet and it still commands some 60-65% of it's original asking price 4+ years since launch.
• Personally, I see this camera everywhere I go -- weddings, events, random people here in southern California making movies (they are everywhere out here), etc.
• You don't make a 5D4 if the 5D3 failed commercially. You'd rebrand and rename it, or you'd abandon it altogether for a new kind of product.
• Find me another FF camera with a larger ecosystem of body-geometry-specific accessories -- underwater housings, 3rd party grips, L-plates, video rigs, eyecups, gimbals, etc. (Only the 5D2 might compare.) Companies tend to make more body-design-specific accessories for the better selling rigs.
• It has built a great reputation for taking award-winning shots.

So I am not fanboying here. A camera cannot maintain price for so long so well and be so ubiquitous globally and not be considered a success. It may not be the revolutionary rig the 5D2 was, but goodness gracious did Canon sell a boatload of them.

- A

 

[ahsanford]

Why so much innovate hate? If 2 years after the 5D3 launches Canon dropped a 5D4 with 4K, wifi, a few more MP, a larger AF grid (fill in fav feature here) ... That would have sold really well too. And if now two years after that they dropped a 4K, cLOG, GPS/Wifi, in body stabilized, more AF points, 5D5 (or whatever feature turns your gears) that would sell well too. And perhaps the 5D3 would be a bit cheaper given the variants.

I can't see a version of that which alienates the current Canon shooter, but I could see it bringing more people over to Canon.

If Canon adopted a Sony-like model of pushing new tech aggressively out to field in quick succession, the following would happen:

• They'd have to design more cameras per year. That would take more people and money, or if they didn't pay for that, the quality of those offerings would suffer.
• They'd build fewer of each of those cameras as the lifecycle will be shorter. Costs would increase.
• Longtime Canon users accustomed to making infrequent large investments on bigger ticket items will get serious buyers' remorse when the product they sunk $3500 into is one-upped 18-24 months later. Over time, those folks will keep their money in their pockets longer to avoid being burned on a new offering. Canon would have a harder time maintaining high prices.

I'm not hating on innovation -- I'm just stating that Canon would be foolish to leave their 'slow' and very predictable model. Mirrorless isn't stealing their business. Nikon isn't stealing any of their business. Why change?

- A

 

[Woody]

I'm not hating on innovation -- I'm just stating that Canon would be foolish to leave their 'slow' and very predictable model. Mirrorless isn't stealing their business. Nikon isn't stealing any of their business. Why change?
- A

Indeed. If BCNRanking (for Japan market only) is any indication, Canon seems to be going from strength to strength in their grip on the weakening ILC (interchangeable lens camera) market. Sony's profits probably stem mostly from their sensors (for camera handphone and ILCs).

 

[unfocused]

...folks will keep their money in their pockets longer to avoid being burned on a new offering.

I think this is a very important point. I would not be surprised,to learn that Canon has done market research and already determined what is the optimum time between releases. It may seem counterintuitive but I strongly suspect that too short of a cycle could actually lead to people extending their purchase cycles. if the cycle is too short you can end up paralyzing buyers, who end up frozen in place because the next model is always just around the corner.

But, the most important factor may simply be the development cycle. It's entirely possible that it takes more than two years to design, develop and produce new generations of key components.

 

[romanr74]

...and the 5D3 sold like hotcakes.

Do you have any numbers?

Hilarious - do you?

I did not make any statement about sales numbers. In fact my question already makes your question obviously superfluous. I have none - and therefore I do not make such claims.

But if someone claims a camera sold like "hotcakes" it indicates that some kind of facts are available to make this claim. What I do know for a fact is that Canon DSLR sales dropped like a rock in the years after the 5DIII was launched (2013/14/15).

Wasn't it you posting: "Obviously did not... Lots of 5DII owners did not upgrade. Forums - including this one - are full of 5DII-owners scratching their heads while they wait." How is this not claiming numbers and others peoples feelings knowledge which isn't there....?

 

[romanr74]

...and the 5D3 sold like hotcakes.

Do you have any numbers?

Hilarious - do you?

I did not make any statement about sales numbers. In fact my question already makes your question obviously superfluous. I have none - and therefore I do not make such claims.

But if someone claims a camera sold like "hotcakes" it indicates that some kind of facts are available to make this claim. What I do know for a fact is that Canon DSLR sales dropped like a rock in the years after the 5DIII was launched (2013/14/15).

Even more hilarious:

In the same post (1) you claim you have no sales numbers: "I did not make any statement about sales numbers. ... I have none." and (2) you know that "Canon DSLR sales dropped like a rock in the years after the 5DIII was launched." Can you try to make your mind whether or not you you believe you know something about their sales, if not stop making such claims, if yes bring some evidence with you claims?

 

[Drum]

There must be a new Nikon around the corner, the D810 and 750 were both announced in 2014, and OMG the D610 is well overdue a replacement. Never mind a new 5d- How can we all live with such old tech? : : : :

 

[Loswr]

...and the 5D3 sold like hotcakes.

Do you have any numbers?

Hilarious - do you?

I did not make any statement about sales numbers. In fact my question already makes your question obviously superfluous. I have none - and therefore I do not make such claims.

But if someone claims a camera sold like "hotcakes" it indicates that some kind of facts are available to make this claim. What I do know for a fact is that Canon DSLR sales dropped like a rock in the years after the 5DIII was launched (2013/14/15).

Even more hilarious:

In the same post (1) you claim you have no sales numbers: "I did not make any statement about sales numbers. ... I have none." and (2) you know that "Canon DSLR sales dropped like a rock in the years after the 5DIII was launched." Can you try to make your mind whether or not you you believe you know something about their sales, if not stop making such claims, if yes bring some evidence with you claims?

Actually, Maiaibing is correct on the overall dSLR sales, since CIPA data show a big drop while Canon's market share went up only slightly, and that means Canon dSLR sales dropped significantly.

Canon doens't publish model-specific sales data, but they did state that the 5DIII sold well, and given the other evidence out there it's safe to say that Maiaibing is wrong in suggesting that the 5DIII did not sell well (i.e. if he want's to claim something different from Canon, he'd better have data to back up calling them liars, and he's already admitted to having none.

 

[StudentOfLight]

Observation:
DSLR sales are dropping

Possible reasons:
1. The market for new DSLRs is saturated
2. Used cameras are more accessible than a new camera and there is no shortage of supply of used DSLRs.
3. Any DSLR produced in the past 5 years can deliver high image quality. (Now avail. 2nd-hand)
4. DSLR owners are happy with performance of their current camera
5. Current DSLRs are durable goods that don't need to be replaced every 6 months
6. (Value of Additional features) < (cost of upgrade)
7. Mirror-less is killing DSLR sales...
8. Cellphones are killing DSLR sales...
9. etc...

Is falling DSLR sales really a problem?

 

[ahsanford]

There must be a new Nikon around the corner, the D810 and 750 were both announced in 2014, and OMG the D610 is well overdue a replacement.

+1. It's amazing to think that we still haven't need a Nikon D820 (or D900?) with that A7R II sensor in it. It makes you wonder if the follow up to the D810 will have a Nikon sensor in it instead of a Sony.

- A

 

[Azathoth]

...and the 5D3 sold like hotcakes.

Do you have any numbers?

Ok, this one stopped me in my tracks. Are you actually denying the volume of 5D3 sales?

Sorry, I stepped away. Of course no one has hard data, but consider all the circumstantial evidence of the 5D3's success:

• 4+ years after launch, it is still in the top 20 SLRs sold at Amazon.
• Canon still hasn't replaced it yet and it still commands some 60-65% of it's original asking price 4+ years since launch.
• Personally, I see this camera everywhere I go -- weddings, events, random people here in southern California making movies (they are everywhere out here), etc.
• You don't make a 5D4 if the 5D3 failed commercially. You'd rebrand and rename it, or you'd abandon it altogether for a new kind of product.
• Find me another FF camera with a larger ecosystem of body-geometry-specific accessories -- underwater housings, 3rd party grips, L-plates, video rigs, eyecups, gimbals, etc. (Only the 5D2 might compare.) Companies tend to make more body-design-specific accessories for the better selling rigs.
• It has built a great reputation for taking award-winning shots.

So I am not fanboying here. A camera cannot maintain price for so long so well and be so ubiquitous globally and not be considered a success. It may not be the revolutionary rig the 5D2 was, but goodness gracious did Canon sell a boatload of them.

- A

Canon is #2 brand at Flickr (#1 is Apple, Nikon is #4, Sony #5)
5D mk3 is #1 Canon camera

https://www.flickr.com/cameras
https://www.flickr.com/cameras/canon

 

[Maiaibing]

I did not make any statement about sales numbers. In fact my question already makes your question obviously superfluous. I have none - and therefore I do not make such claims.

But if someone claims a camera sold like "hotcakes" it indicates that some kind of facts are available to make this claim. What I do know for a fact is that Canon DSLR sales dropped like a rock in the years after the 5DIII was launched (2013/14/15).

Wasn't it you posting: "Obviously did not... Lots of 5DII owners did not upgrade. Forums - including this one - are full of 5DII-owners scratching their heads while they wait." How is this not claiming numbers and others peoples feelings knowledge which isn't there....?

Saying lots of 5DII owners did not upgrade is not making any claim about the number of 5DIII sales.

Its a claim related to a discussion whether or not the 5DIII was a significant upgrade to the 5DII (and here many did not upgrade because they were not convinced the 5DIII was worth it - myself included).

 

[Maiaibing]

Even more hilarious:

In the same post (1) you claim you have no sales numbers: "I did not make any statement about sales numbers. ... I have none." and (2) you know that "Canon DSLR sales dropped like a rock in the years after the 5DIII was launched." Can you try to make your mind whether or not you you believe you know something about their sales, if not stop making such claims, if yes bring some evidence with you claims?

Your lack of logic sense is such that I will stop with this comment as this is a complete waste of time:

The fact - see Canon investor relations for the numbers - that Canon DSLR sales collapsed in the years after the release of the 5DIII is well documented by Canon itself.

However, how much or how little this was due to 5DIII sales we do not know as Canon very carefully guards its specific camera model sales. Which is why I avoid making any claims about 5DIII sales.

So nothing illogical or strange with what I wrote here or elsewhere - only sticking closely to known facts and trying to avoid making unfounded claims.

 

[Mr. Milo]

I'm speaking as a 5D Mark II owner. I have no interest in the 5DIII. I'm looking at the 5DIV as a videographer, not a photographer. The video capabilities will definitely be good as it was officially noted somewhere here.

-4K is a given. At this point, it's not maybe. This camera has to have it.
-120 FPS for 1080p is hopefully true.
-1080p is still great right now meaning indie filmmakers have absolutely nothing to worry about. I hope that 1080p mode is 10 bit.
-Also it will have DPAF. That's great.
-C-log. That's the big one for me. Got to have this in. Sony has no prob putting their s-log in their stuff so I don't know why Canon has problems. It's not even in the 1DX Mark II right now so I have doubts.

Photographers will be disappointed since 5DIV is not a monumental leap, but it's still better than 5DIII. Time will tell when the specs are officially announced. If I was strictly a photographer going by the rumors now, I would not buy it. I'd get the 5DSR and invest in more lenses.

 

[Luxter]

If I was strictly a photographer going by the rumors now, I would not buy it. I'd get the 5DSR and invest in more lenses.

So you actually think the MKIV will be more expensive than the 5DSR?

If that is the case, I should considering getting a MKIII instead of waiting.