Canon EOS 6D Mark II & EOS Rebel SL2 Coming June 29 [CR2]

[Etienne]

I'd be happy to see the 6D2 come in under US$2000, but not if it means crippling it too much. I'd rather Canon took their cue from the Sony A7s / A7r pricing model, which are almost exactly the same price, but cameras with different purposes.

So which camera would you like the 6D2 to be price-matched to?

Canon has no answer to the A7s II (soon to be A7s III). I'd like the 6D2 to be that answer, at least until Canon gets a mirrorless contender, but that's not going to happen. Still, I'd like to see the 6D2 move upmarket.

 

[Ozarker]

It would be great if this was a 5D Mark III in 6D clothing.

22MP
Digic 5
No DPAF

Are you sure?

I was thinking more in terms of build quality and AF performance. Of course, the sensor will be better and it will have DPAF. Maybe even a built in flash transmitter. Who knows?

On the other hand, the sensor on the 5D Mark III suits me just fine.

 

[Luds34]

Prepare to be disappointed, the D750 introduction price was $2,299 three years ago, there is no way on earth a new 6D is going to be below $2,000 launch price.

Yeah, but that is not the price of the D750 today. So the 6D is competing against that feature set at a $1500 price point. I'm not saying it's going to happen, but I could see a $1999 price or lower.

My gut says the 6D2 debuts at $2200 and within a 2-3 months drops to $2000. I hope I'm wrong though and it's slightly cheaper.

 

[privatebydesign]

Prepare to be disappointed, the D750 introduction price was $2,299 three years ago, there is no way on earth a new 6D is going to be below $2,000 launch price.

Yes, but the D750 was an odd kind of duck.... It was introduced as an intermediate FF camera at that price and sold very poorly. The D610, Nikon's introductory FF camera also had poor sales. Nikon dropped the price to be the same as the D610, essentially replacing it as the intro FF camera, D750 sales took off, D610 sales became non-existent..... That kind of makes it hard to use it as a pricing example...

Ok, use the 6D for comparison, it was $2,099 on launch 4 years ago and now at EOL it is $1,399. If anything everybody is expecting (though I don't know why) the MkII to be a move up in capabilities not just a better performing entry level ff camera. That isn't the Canon way but we will see.

Any which way I don't see the launch price being below $2,000 unless they cut the feature set to the bone and then this forum might well melt down

All this talk of 'crippling' and 'nerfing' is pathetic and pointless, buy the camera that does what you want, if that is a Nikon get a Nikon, if it is a Sony get a Sony, don't tell Canon they are doomed if they don't make what you want just buy what you want from whoever sells it, and don't imply people who are happy with a feature set you don't like are less than you or 'settling' for what they chose to buy.

I explained in great detail why the Canon implementation of dual card slots is not a practical 'backup' solution, I also explained the issues I have had with the Nikon two card slot implementation, anybody that has used both knows the 'feature' is a primarily a marketing 'feature'.

 

[Don Haines]

Prepare to be disappointed, the D750 introduction price was $2,299 three years ago, there is no way on earth a new 6D is going to be below $2,000 launch price.

Yes, but the D750 was an odd kind of duck.... It was introduced as an intermediate FF camera at that price and sold very poorly. The D610, Nikon's introductory FF camera also had poor sales. Nikon dropped the price to be the same as the D610, essentially replacing it as the intro FF camera, D750 sales took off, D610 sales became non-existent..... That kind of makes it hard to use it as a pricing example...

Ok, use the 6D for comparison, it was $2,099 on launch 4 years ago and now at EOL it is $1,399. If anything everybody is expecting (though I don't know why) the MkII to be a move up in capabilities not just a better performing entry level ff camera. That isn't the Canon way but we will see.

Any which way I don't see the launch price being below $2,000 unless they cut the feature set to the bone and then this forum might well melt down

That pricing logic works for me.... I can easily see it introducing at $2200 and after a year, settling down to $1800. Anything lower seems unreasonable, anything higher and you get no sales...

All this talk of 'crippling' and 'nerfing' is pathetic and pointless, buy the camera that does what you want, if that is a Nikon get a Nikon, if it is a Sony get a Sony, don't tell Canon they are doomed if they don't make what you want just buy what you want from whoever sells it, and don't imply people who are happy with a feature set you don't like are less than you or 'settling' for what they chose to buy.

I explained in great detail why the Canon implementation of dual card slots is not a practical 'backup' solution, I also explained the issues I have had with the Nikon two card slot implementation, anybody that has used both knows the 'feature' is a primarily a marketing 'feature'.

I find all the nerfing, crippling, and "2 card slots or the world will end" talk silly. I predict that the 6D2 will have the same things happen that seems to happen to every upgrade... a whole lot of features will improve by a little bit. Taken individually, none of them are exciting, but overall, it adds up....

My predictions:

ONE CARD SLOT! I give it 75% odds of being UHS-2
26Mpixels DPAF
5 fps
1/4000 shutter, but 1/8000 would not surprise me....
interchangeable focus screen
AF points, somewhere around 30, center point F2.8 cross, others will work at F5.6 (H + V), only centre at F8
ISO 100-51200, expandable to 50 and 2048000
silent shutter mode
4K video at 30fps
LP-E6n battery!!!!!!!

 

[unfocused]

My predictions:

ONE CARD SLOT! I give it 75% odds of being UHS-2
26Mpixels DPAF
5 fps
1/4000 shutter, but 1/8000 would not surprise me....
interchangeable focus screen
AF points, somewhere around 30, center point F2.8 cross, others will work at F5.6 (H + V), only centre at F8
ISO 100-51200, expandable to 50 and 2048000
silent shutter mode
4K video at 30fps
LP-E6n battery!!!!!!!

For my bet/prediction, I would amend your list with these changes:

No interchangeable focus screen (I don't see Canon viewing this as a feature that adds to sales. It appeals to a very small niche that is not the 6D market anyway. I don't know why Canon included it on the 6D in the first place);
Could be 5fps, but could also go up to 7;
Autofocus Points. Could be 30, but could be as few as 19, which is still plenty for most users;
Multiple f8 focus points (This is not a feature Canon is adding to sell cameras, it is a feature they are adding to sell lenses, specifically the 100-400 II, which needs cameras with multiple f8 autofocus points so that the lens, with a 1.4 converter, can compete against the 600mm superzooms. They are including this with every XXD and XD camera they introduce.)

 

[Don Haines]

Autofocus Points. Could be 30, but could be as few as 19, which is still plenty for most users;
Multiple f8 focus points (This is not a feature Canon is adding to sell cameras, it is a feature they are adding to sell lenses, specifically the 100-400 II, which needs cameras with multiple f8 autofocus points so that the lens, with a 1.4 converter, can compete against the 600mm superzooms. They are including this with every XXD and XD camera they introduce.)

Good point with the AF points.....

I was thinking about F8 more from the lines of crop cameras and being able to introduce some slower and less expensive lenses (F6.3....), but the same logic holds true on FF as well, particularly with teleconverters in play... The 100-400II with a 1.4X is a great example, but I can also see Canon coming out with a longer zoom.... I wonder how many would jump on a 300-800 zoom at F8 on the long end? or a 500F6.3 prime? The F8 AF points certainly keeps the future options open....

 

[IglooEater]

Agreed. I'd be disappointed to see it north of 1800 and very disappointed to see it above 2K. I know I'm delusional. The D750 has been calling to me since it was released, at 1500 it's looking like a good deal.
However, we heard a lot a while back of the new 6D moving upmarket, which could theoretically mean their might be a new entry model coming down the pipes.

Prepare to be disappointed, the D750 introduction price was $2,299 three years ago, there is no way on earth a new 6D is going to be below $2,000 launch price.

Oh I'm very prepared