Canon EOS M2 Not Coming to North America

[jebrady03]

Well I'm glad I picked up a Fuji XE-2 with kit lens and the 23 f/1.4 That kit puts the EOS M2 to shame and I chose the Fuji over the A7r, because I don't want giant lenses on my mirror less body. I'll save my giant lenses for the 1DX.

And you only spent $1900 more for it too! Or, almost 6x as much! Depending on your preference

 

[zlatko]

So even though Canon currently offers about twelve EOS cameras and about 70 EOS lenses, and fantastic wireless flashes and other accessories, the introduction of this one little $600 camera at the bottom of the EOS line in Asia only makes you conclude that Canon will not be a "viable platform". Because you are personally moving to a smaller format, you conclude that the entire EOS platform won't be "viable"?

No, that's not the only time Canon let users down. They just seem to stuck in the old sensor era and for several previously released products, I don't see any evidence that they will ever come up with a camera that has better sensor than last 2-3 generations, while the gap between them and the competition is widening - fast.

From current situation, I can envision that in 5 years time, other systems will have a FF sensor of 40MP no-AA sensor with 15-16 stops of DR and good ISO, while Canon still keeps cranking out the pathetic 18MP APS-C sensors. And I'm saying that with a high probability of it becoming the fact.

Sure, we can all fool ourselves to say that the 5D3 sensor is good enough. But for how long? How long can you fool yourself for?

It's again pathetic to see that the brilliant 24-70 II on 5D3 would only give you the same quality (or lower) photo as the Tammy on a D800E in terms of resolution only (forget about DR). Good glass being wasted.

http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2013/01/a-24-70mm-system-comparison

The 5D3 and its sensor are more than good enough. It does a great job for some of the best photographers in some of the most demanding situations. Those photographers are no fools and neither are their clients or publishers. Sure, the 5D3 sensor may not meet the standards of a few sensor critics in online forums, but for actual photography it is fantastic. Canon sensors reached the point of "good enough" about 11 years ago when they were good enough to replace film cameras for many pro & amateur photographers. Since then, they've been refined many times, especially for high ISO. Of course they will continue to improve.

 

[pharp]

http://www.ebay.com/sch/Digital-Cameras-/31388/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=canon+m2&_sop=15

especially at these prices

 

[Woody]

Well at $1,399 for a body and kit lens and $899 for the additional lens I would hope it would put my $299 kit to shame!

No kidding! ;D

 

[candc]

Its a different market here than in Asia and the m hasn't sold that well. That's understandable, the m is a bit underwhelming on its own with its native compliment of lenses compared to the competition but with a speed booster adapter option it would give canon users that have a bunch of ff lenses an option for a small mirrorless camera that they could not only use their ff lenses on but would give them ff coverage and a whole stop faster aperture. That seems like a hotcake seller to me, I would buy one for sure

 

[candc]

I would love to be able to use my 15mm fisheye on the m with a speed booster as a ff diagonal f/2 fisheye in a compact package

 

[RobertP]

Given that the original M flopped in the US, Canon may feel that the M2 is not attractive enough for the American market. I'm confident that the articulated screen and sensor from the 70D (or at least their technologies) will make it in to a premium mirrorless camera next year. Its just such an obvious step for Canon to take.

Their may be 1 more generation left in DSLRs but with EVFs offering features that OVFs can't the mirror's days are looking numbered.

 

[BozillaNZ]

The 5D3 and its sensor are more than good enough. It does a great job for some of the best photographers in some of the most demanding situations. Those photographers are no fools and neither are their clients or publishers. Sure, the 5D3 sensor may not meet the standards of a few sensor critics in online forums, but for actual photography it is fantastic. Canon sensors reached the point of "good enough" about 11 years ago when they were good enough to replace film cameras for many pro & amateur photographers. Since then, they've been refined many times, especially for high ISO. Of course they will continue to improve.

Problem is it's all about relative performance. We can argue that anything is enough for somebody, but right now here are better choices. 5D3 is more than enough for someone yes, and original 1Ds and 5D is more than enough for someone. Shall we just let the innovation die and stick to whatever we have 10 years ago? I don't like the thought of that.

The more Canon stagnate, the more unsatisfied it's user base will become. Sure you can 'convince yourself' but it's the same question of how long are you going to hold on to it while you see 'other guys' doing more and more thing that you can't.

 

[candc]

Given that the original M flopped in the US, Canon may feel that the M2 is not attractive enough for the American market. I'm confident that the articulated screen and sensor from the 70D (or at least their technologies) will make it in to a premium mirrorless camera next year. Its just such an obvious step for Canon to take.

Their may be 1 more generation left in DSLRs but with EVFs offering features that OVFs can't the mirror's days are looking numbered.

I can envision a canon ff mirrorless big megapixel camera that has a crop mode like the d800 but it has an evf so the view changes to what you see is what you get instead of a red square in the ovf of the d800. That's the best of both worlds

 

[infared]

I certainly had hopes that Canon would go quite a bit farther with the M system, I own the current version, not a bad Camera, but not a good camera either when I look at what it needs to be a reasonably developed back up to my 1Dx & a possible replacement for my 5DMK III, the current M doesn't do it.

But the Image files aren't too bad from the current M, absence of a viewfinder is a big issue for me after having the current M, in day light the screen is almost useless.

So, my a7r arrived 3 days ago, still trying to work through the Menu system, not as bad as the Nikon System, but takes a while to work out.

Nice size, has a viewfinder, takes some getting used to but I like the viewfinder on a7r.

I was concerned after reading reports that the auto focus would be quite slow, but I'm using the a7r in dim lighting, very dim, and it focusses just fine quick & accurate. Files look very good to date but I'm yet to really put the is camera to the test considering the choices of Lens, well, make that choice, in Singapore the only Lens available is the Zeiss 35f/2.8, which is a lovely Lens, 55 arrives sometime late December.

Once I get a WA ( 15F/2.8 ) & a Macro ( 100f/2.8 ), I'll try & get the a7r into a Underwater housing, I have high hopes the a7r could replace my 5DMK III for underwater Imaging.

Like the Camera so far, has a load of the things I had hoped Canon might put into V2 of the M.

Image was shot with the M.

Thanks for the input regarding the Sony...I cannot buy one...but I am eagerly watching the development of all-things mirrorless.

 

[Bob Howland]

For one thing, in the USA there is no way that an end to launched at $800 could compete with the current M priced $500 cheaper. There seem to be quite a few of those in retail channels right now.

And it certainly doesn't help that an SL1 body can currently be purchased from B&H for $500. The marketing of the M system has been one botch job after another.

 

[Woody]

Given that the original M flopped in the US, Canon may feel that the M2 is not attractive enough for the American market. I'm confident that the articulated screen and sensor from the 70D (or at least their technologies) will make it in to a premium mirrorless camera next year. Its just such an obvious step for Canon to take.

Their may be 1 more generation left in DSLRs but with EVFs offering features that OVFs can't the mirror's days are looking numbered.

The EOS M is selling very well in USA now. In fact, much better than Nikon's 1 offerings.

As for EVFs... until they can offer the same quick response, dynamic range and brightness as OVFs, mirrorless options are no-go for me. The fact that DSLRs outsell mirrorless cameras by 9.5:1 (8.5 in Europe), it appears that most folks agree with my assessment.

 

[verysimplejason]

Their may be 1 more generation left in DSLRs but with EVFs offering features that OVFs can't the mirror's days are looking numbered.

I think there are still a lot of features of OVF that EVF can't match which are particularly useful to most photographers. OVF is still better in low light and has infinitely faster refresh. Yes, I think EVF is more helpful when it comes to finding the correct exposure but you can't say that you can't trust your camera's own metering especially if you know how to effectively use spot metering.

 

[zlatko]

The 5D3 and its sensor are more than good enough. It does a great job for some of the best photographers in some of the most demanding situations. Those photographers are no fools and neither are their clients or publishers. Sure, the 5D3 sensor may not meet the standards of a few sensor critics in online forums, but for actual photography it is fantastic. Canon sensors reached the point of "good enough" about 11 years ago when they were good enough to replace film cameras for many pro & amateur photographers. Since then, they've been refined many times, especially for high ISO. Of course they will continue to improve.

Problem is it's all about relative performance. We can argue that anything is enough for somebody, but right now here are better choices. 5D3 is more than enough for someone yes, and original 1Ds and 5D is more than enough for someone. Shall we just let the innovation die and stick to whatever we have 10 years ago? I don't like the thought of that.

The more Canon stagnate, the more unsatisfied it's user base will become. Sure you can 'convince yourself' but it's the same question of how long are you going to hold on to it while you see 'other guys' doing more and more thing that you can't.

I predict that they won't stagnate, but only time will tell. In the meantime, there is no need to convince anyone that the 5D3 sensor is good enough. That is proven by photographers every day. I welcome any improvements, but the current sensor certainly meets my needs, as well as the needs of photographers in far more demanding situations. I don't see "other guys'' doing anything more or anything I can't. If you find some extra dynamic range at low ISO makes a big honking difference in your photography, then by all means go for that sensor and consider the Canon platform "not viable" as you say. I don't see photography as some kind of race where the "other guy" is going to "win" because of low ISO dynamic range. Somehow, the Canon platform remains viable for some of the biggest names in photography, but what do they know? Perhaps this little M2 will drive them away from Canon too ...

 

[RobertP]

Given that the original M flopped in the US, Canon may feel that the M2 is not attractive enough for the American market. I'm confident that the articulated screen and sensor from the 70D (or at least their technologies) will make it in to a premium mirrorless camera next year. Its just such an obvious step for Canon to take.

Their may be 1 more generation left in DSLRs but with EVFs offering features that OVFs can't the mirror's days are looking numbered.

The EOS M is selling very well in USA now. In fact, much better than Nikon's 1 offerings.

As for EVFs... until they can offer the same quick response, dynamic range and brightness as OVFs, mirrorless options are no-go for me. The fact that DSLRs outsell mirrorless cameras by 9.5:1 (8.5 in Europe), it appears that most folks agree with my assessment.

You're comparing today's mirror with today's EVF. I'm suggesting that the 5D Mark IV, when it arrives, will have a mirror but it will be the last in the line. When a 5D Mark V is due circa 2018 EVFs will have been refined to the point where the drawbacks have been minimised and that 9:1 ratio will have been reversed.

 

[jrista]

Given that the original M flopped in the US, Canon may feel that the M2 is not attractive enough for the American market. I'm confident that the articulated screen and sensor from the 70D (or at least their technologies) will make it in to a premium mirrorless camera next year. Its just such an obvious step for Canon to take.

Their may be 1 more generation left in DSLRs but with EVFs offering features that OVFs can't the mirror's days are looking numbered.

The EOS M is selling very well in USA now. In fact, much better than Nikon's 1 offerings.

As for EVFs... until they can offer the same quick response, dynamic range and brightness as OVFs, mirrorless options are no-go for me. The fact that DSLRs outsell mirrorless cameras by 9.5:1 (8.5 in Europe), it appears that most folks agree with my assessment.

You're comparing today's mirror with today's EVF. I'm suggesting that the 5D Mark IV, when it arrives, will have a mirror but it will be the last in the line. When a 5D Mark V is due circa 2018 EVFs will have been refined to the point where the drawbacks have been minimised and that 9:1 ratio will have been reversed.

Well, by 2018 the gap may have closed, but there is no way a 9:1 ratio of DSLR sales to mirrorless sales will "reverse"...to become a 1:9 ratio (9:1 in favor of mirrorless.) The DSLR has a decade plus long reign of prestige, and the SLR design in general has decades of prestige. Mirrorless won't that easily topple the respect the best camera design the world has yet seen.

Granted, things like Sony's A7r are very intriguing, and have even peaked my interest. We need to see how it sells, especially relative to DSLRs and perhaps the 5D III specifically, before we can claim that not only will it spell the literal demise of the DSLR, but a complete reversal of sales trends.

I suspect the DSLR's popularity will indeed fade, eventually. It will probably come sooner than I want, but I suspect it will take longer than one more generation before it completely disappears. Mirrorless is currently a powerful fad with a growing trend, but it has yet to really, truly, solidly PROVE itself in the extremely BROAD range of photographic endeavors the DSLR currently serves.

 

[Famateur]

So I was looking on B&H for a Fuji equivalent of the 1DX. My search was unsuccessful... :

I find it curious how worked-up people get about the future of Canon and its survival as a company based on a consumer product in a market that (currently) is very small -- all manufacturers combined.

It also seems that some have assumed that every new camera model released must be of significant advancement so as to justify everyone upgrading from the previous model, and that if it doesn't meet this requirement, the company must be asleep at the wheel or on the verge of collapse. Do we hear the same predictions of doom every time Disney releases a movie like Beverly Hills Chihuahua 3? Will Disney crash and burn because every movie isn't at the level of The Incredibles or can't compete with the latest Oscar candidate for Best Picture?

How easily we forget that each of us, individually, doesn't represent the entire market. If Canon makes product decisions that don't meet my needs (or wants), it's more likely that market conditions don't warrant it than that the company is inept in recognizing and then meeting the market's needs. The M2 is simply a refresh of a consumer product to keep it "current". It's intended as a first-time mirrorless purchase, not an upgrade from the first M. Apparently, Canon management concluded that it was not worthwhile to release this refresh in the North American market. I assume that is based on market and cost analysis and not ineptitude.

When I see the end zones of NFL football games lined with mirrorless Sony, Nikon and Fuji cameras in favor of the current crop (bad pun, sorry) of professional gear, maybe there will be cause for alarm. If it ever gets to that, though, I'm confident it still will be mostly filled with Canon gear.

[/soapbox]

 

[cellomaster27]

Nice buy CR Admin~ 8)

I have to say though, that it isn't much of a surprise that the M2 doesn't have DPAF. It makes sense for the 7DmII and maybe a future rebel to have that tech. I think the rebel line will see an increase in MP while the newer 5Dx, cine, and future xxD's will have the DPAF. It is great tech that they won't include in a model that is meant for a consumer line. My guess is in the 4th gen of eos-m that it'll have DPAF...when the tech is rather common in the canon digital camera lineup. In a marketing world, hey, it works. I commend Canon. ;D

 

[mjardeen]

I think the SONY a7/r cameras are a turning point for mirror-less. What it needed was a really serious camera. SONY has to deliver on lenses. I think this is what will move Canon and Nikon. Time will tell.

 

[pwp]

“no announcement of the EOS M2 by Canon USA planned.”
So it looks like the EOS M2 is going to be an Asia only product for the foreseeable future.

This has to be a good thing! For photographers like myself who were somewhat underwhelmed by the M2 specs, this leaves the door open for a higher spec M with the 70D (or better) sensor and EVF as well as the other evolutionary changes seen on the Asia-only M2. Though I doubt it's going to be ready for a 2013 Santa drop...

-pw