Canon EOS M2 Not Coming to North America

Hillsilly said:
zlatko said:
....We can all bash a camera for not being built to our personal specifications, and miss the point that it meets other people's needs very well.

Sadly, I'll never know if it meets my needs. Living outside of Japan, I will never see one. :)
This is not such a big deal. For example, the 10-22mm lens for the M is not sold in the US, but you can order it online from sellers in Japan and Korea.
 
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scyrene said:
How can people feel short changed by something they haven't bought? I completely understand the desire for better products (although how some people define 'better' seem rather short-sighted), but if something is released that isn't for you, you don't have to buy it. The money we've spent on cameras and lenses in the past was for them alone, it doesn't entitle us to anything in future. If a company moves in a direction we don't like, we don't have to go with them, but stamping our feet and threatening a tantrum (which seems the equivalent of proclaiming 'I'm going to sell all my gear and move to another brand') strikes me as rather immature.

The M2 doesn't impact me one way or the other, so why should I care? If I was in the market for this type of camera, I'd look at what's available now and choose one (and I would advise others to do the same), not wait around for possible future products.

Incidentally, it's not true that only Canon releases new gear that is similar to old lines. It's bewildering how many compact cameras and superzooms come out every few months, whose specifications seem hardly different from the existing ones. And wasn't the D610 essentially identical to the D600, to pick a single example?

Well considering that you are in an EOS M thread I think it is safe to assume that many of us posting here are in the market for a mirrorless system and are very dissapointed with the way things look to be turning out for the M.
I am not one of those with a limitless supply of funds for camera/gear. I have 2 little ones in daycare and a wife that doesn't accept financial tomfoolery, as I don't either. I absolutely love my M and credit purchasing this awesome little camera with getting me back into my first, and most intense hobby. I love this system for a number of reasons, first and foremost being the size and portability of it. I hike and ride extensively and this has just fit right in. But I chose the M for 2 reasons: I had been with Canon for about 10 years with a 20D and then a 40D, and because of the firesale price. I felt loyal to Canon because, even though I didn't use them very much, I really loved those to cameras. As for the price of the M, I concede that to complain and whine when I bought it at bargain basement price is a littly petty, but since getting the kit I’ve purchased the other two lenses, flash and filters. I have-what I consider to be-a sizeable investment in the Canon version of the mirror less system now. I was really looking forward to a version of the M that would have been more in line with the OMD EM1/5, EP-5 or GX7. Now it's looking very sketchy that we will EVER see that from Canon.

So yes, it pisses me off because now I feel like I've been marginalized by Canon because of my geographic location. Secondly, I am REALLY not interested in selling off all my stuff at probably half or, if I'm lucky, 2/3rds what I paid for it just to get me about 2/3rds the way there to an EP-5, or GX7.

And before I get flamed I'll also acknowledge that in the big scheme of things this is not a big deal. But in my little photography world that I live in on the weekends...this is supremely frustrating hahahahaha...
 
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BozillaNZ said:
spinworkxroy said:
Exactly, we never need the latest iphones or Samsung smartphones but every since year they release a new model, i will buy the latest model and do exactly the same thing on it as i did with the previous model....surf internet and make calls...hecl i think a phone 3 years ago did the same thing for me as well! We always want the latest and if we're paying for the latest, there had better be new tech inside :) We're all gear lusting hehe..we need help.

But when some company brings the same old sh!t and call it brand new and asks for a premium, we have a problem. However apparently some people are perfectly happy about that too...
It's an improved camera, and the "premium" is a little more, as Woody explained above. It's still a relatively cheap camera, at the bottom of the EOS line in size & features. It's not a camera that I personally need, but I can see it being perfect for some people. And the people for whom it is perfect will not be complaining about the sensor having "only" 18mp or being "old". They are not "gear lusting", but rather just looking for a camera that makes good photos and is super easy to carry anywhere. Canon wisely doesn't make gear just for "gear lusters" who frequent online forums. They know their market is bigger than that.
 
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BozillaNZ said:
But when some company brings the same old sh!t and call it brand new and asks for a premium, we have a problem. However apparently some people are perfectly happy about that too...

Yes, apparently enough people have been happy with that "old" 18 MP sensor to keep Canon at the top of the dSLR market for many years.
 
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Am I missing something? Just because they are not being launched in the US, Canada, Europe, doesn't mean they are banned in those regions, correct? We can still buy one from a Japanese retailer, or have a friend in Japan buy one and then ship it to you. ...or even better, if you are lucky enough to travel to Japan for work, buy one yourself. ...and if you do that and worried about customs, Narita airport had a Akihabara duty free shop, so you can buy it there, worse case. I purchased a Casio bluetooth watch (not available in the US) for about the same price I would have paid here through a eBay retailer in Japan. ...and had no issues with customs.

John
 
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I am personally quite happy to see this "upgrade" launched in the US because it allows me to keep up hope that a better version is coming here. The new version is disappointingly low on improved features. I REALLY REALLY REALLY want DPAF on this camera and would buy it in a heartbeat if it comes out that way. It will save me from having to buy yet another full-sized DSLR for the few times a year I shoot video, plus I could use a decent compact camera.
 
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Proffarm said:
Well considering that you are in an EOS M thread I think it is safe to assume that many of us posting here are in the market for a mirrorless system and are very dissapointed with the way things look to be turning out for the M.
I am not one of those with a limitless supply of funds for camera/gear. I have 2 little ones in daycare and a wife that doesn't accept financial tomfoolery, as I don't either. I absolutely love my M and credit purchasing this awesome little camera with getting me back into my first, and most intense hobby. I love this system for a number of reasons, first and foremost being the size and portability of it. I hike and ride extensively and this has just fit right in. But I chose the M for 2 reasons: I had been with Canon for about 10 years with a 20D and then a 40D, and because of the firesale price. I felt loyal to Canon because, even though I didn't use them very much, I really loved those to cameras. As for the price of the M, I concede that to complain and whine when I bought it at bargain basement price is a littly petty, but since getting the kit I’ve purchased the other two lenses, flash and filters. I have-what I consider to be-a sizeable investment in the Canon version of the mirror less system now. I was really looking forward to a version of the M that would have been more in line with the OMD EM1/5, EP-5 or GX7. Now it's looking very sketchy that we will EVER see that from Canon.

So yes, it pisses me off because now I feel like I've been marginalized by Canon because of my geographic location. Secondly, I am REALLY not interested in selling off all my stuff at probably half or, if I'm lucky, 2/3rds what I paid for it just to get me about 2/3rds the way there to an EP-5, or GX7.

And before I get flamed I'll also acknowledge that in the big scheme of things this is not a big deal. But in my little photography world that I live in on the weekends...this is supremely frustrating hahahahaha...

That's fair enough, but a couple of things should reassure you. First, you *can* buy it from Japan via the internet (or it may come to your market next year); second, everyone is convinced there will be a second new M model at some point next year too (and the assumption is its distribution won't be so restricted). It's not been out that long in the grand scheme of things. I'm no expert on their business model, but I can't see them abandoning the M project so quickly, especially now sales have picked up a bit.

I've nearly taken the plunge with the M myself, but there's always another EF lens to get and it's pushed down the list of priorities. I'm sure we're all hoping they do more with it in future - so long as it's not priced too high.
 
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scyrene said:
Proffarm said:
Well considering that you are in an EOS M thread I think it is safe to assume that many of us posting here are in the market for a mirrorless system and are very dissapointed with the way things look to be turning out for the M.
I am not one of those with a limitless supply of funds for camera/gear. I have 2 little ones in daycare and a wife that doesn't accept financial tomfoolery, as I don't either. I absolutely love my M and credit purchasing this awesome little camera with getting me back into my first, and most intense hobby. I love this system for a number of reasons, first and foremost being the size and portability of it. I hike and ride extensively and this has just fit right in. But I chose the M for 2 reasons: I had been with Canon for about 10 years with a 20D and then a 40D, and because of the firesale price. I felt loyal to Canon because, even though I didn't use them very much, I really loved those to cameras. As for the price of the M, I concede that to complain and whine when I bought it at bargain basement price is a littly petty, but since getting the kit I’ve purchased the other two lenses, flash and filters. I have-what I consider to be-a sizeable investment in the Canon version of the mirror less system now. I was really looking forward to a version of the M that would have been more in line with the OMD EM1/5, EP-5 or GX7. Now it's looking very sketchy that we will EVER see that from Canon.

So yes, it pisses me off because now I feel like I've been marginalized by Canon because of my geographic location. Secondly, I am REALLY not interested in selling off all my stuff at probably half or, if I'm lucky, 2/3rds what I paid for it just to get me about 2/3rds the way there to an EP-5, or GX7.

And before I get flamed I'll also acknowledge that in the big scheme of things this is not a big deal. But in my little photography world that I live in on the weekends...this is supremely frustrating hahahahaha...

That's fair enough, but a couple of things should reassure you. First, you *can* buy it from Japan via the internet (or it may come to your market next year); second, everyone is convinced there will be a second new M model at some point next year too (and the assumption is its distribution won't be so restricted). It's not been out that long in the grand scheme of things. I'm no expert on their business model, but I can't see them abandoning the M project so quickly, especially now sales have picked up a bit.

I've nearly taken the plunge with the M myself, but there's always another EF lens to get and it's pushed down the list of priorities. I'm sure we're all hoping they do more with it in future - so long as it's not priced too high.

I just got over excited at the idea of a high-end M..

I haven't given up hope altogether, but I think it really does look fairly bleak.. The thing is, I want the capabilities that the EP-5 and GX7 have really, really badly, but I'm probably not going to sell this year.. I'll just hold out, hoping agains hope in my little photography man-cave until I can't anymore..

LOL
 
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neuroanatomist said:
BozillaNZ said:
But when some company brings the same old sh!t and call it brand new and asks for a premium, we have a problem. However apparently some people are perfectly happy about that too...

Yes, apparently enough people have been happy with that "old" 18 MP sensor to keep Canon at the top of the dSLR market for many years.

Doesn't change the fact that that old 18mp sensor needs to be replaced. Generally I think Canon is an innovative company and makes great products...but reusing the 18mp AGAIN really does feel like Canon is giving their customers a collective slap in the face with a little "Haha! Got you to buy one again! Nah! Nah!" So far, despite Canon's dominance...rather, maybe because of it...EOS-M is the LEAST innovative and compelling product Canon has released in recent years.

They can do better. They should do better. Their customers deserve better.

To be blunt, I won't be buying any EOS-M body until it has a newer sensor...at the very least, the 20mp DPAF sensor, but I am still holding out hope they will offer something even better.
 
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jrista said:
but reusing the 18mp AGAIN really does feel like Canon is giving their customers a collective slap in the face with a little "Haha! Got you to buy one again! Nah! Nah!"

No doubt Canon is behind in sensor performance in relative terms, but you're having a top-down perspective:

Sony is currently advertising their mirrorless aps-c in Germany and the main point is that has a *large* sensor - aps-c! - and the *same* as in their "pro" aps-c dslrs. Obviously a lot of folks shooting iPhone consider a crop sensor as a step up, and in absolute terms in good light there is indeed nothing wrong with it but it's quite capable.

So I'd take the "bottom-up" perspective: There's nothing wrong with the M1/M2 sensor, but I'd personally wonder why I should buy a 70d in 2014 with about the same sensor performance for a whole lot of money more, not everyone is into bird or child tracking.
 
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Marsu42 said:
jrista said:
but reusing the 18mp AGAIN really does feel like Canon is giving their customers a collective slap in the face with a little "Haha! Got you to buy one again! Nah! Nah!"

No doubt Canon is behind in sensor performance in relative terms, but you're having a top-down perspective:

Sony is currently advertising their mirrorless aps-c in Germany and the main point is that has a *large* sensor - aps-c! - and the *same* as in their "pro" aps-c dslrs. Obviously a lot of folks shooting iPhone consider a crop sensor as a step up, and in absolute terms in good light there is indeed nothing wrong with it but it's quite capable.

So I'd take the "bottom-up" perspective: There's nothing wrong with the M1/M2 sensor, but I'd personally wonder why I should buy a 70d in 2014 with about the same sensor performance for a whole lot of money more, not everyone is into bird or child tracking.

I'm not saying that Canon needs to dump the 18mp sensor because of external competition. I'm saying they need to dump it because they themselves already have better technology, and there is absolutely no reason not to utilize the 20mp DPAF sensor in the EOS-M2. I don't believe it would cannibalize 70D sales at all...different class of camera.

Not everyone may be into birds or children, true...but for the market segment where the EOS-M line fits best, a LOT of people are interested in video...and it is video where DPAF truly shines, what it was specifically designed for. Personally, I'd love to haul along an EOS-M with 20mp DPAF sensor whenever I go out shooting. I could either set it up with a little mount on top of my camera, and just let it rip, filming whatever I am shooting (kind of like a GoPro, only WAY better! :D)...or I could set it up on a second tripod, and let it record beside me.

From what I understand about Hybrid AF, the fact that it requires a two stage PD->CD AF approach means it will never track well, if at all, and if the subject moves out of focus, then you will always have the potential for that CDAF stage which is immensely obvious and annoying in video.

All I am saying is, Canon can do better. They can do better not because they have to, or because of competition...but because they already have. It seems quite clear people in the US WANT the EOS-M...it isn't that they don't, it is simply that Canon is really doing a piss-poor job making it a compelling product for this marketplace. They don't even necessarily need to spend a lot of money on it...the 20mp DPAF sensor and two or three new basic lenses would do it. They could probably get away with that for 2% of their total annual R&D budget, if even that much, and they would probably make bank... The whole EOS-M in the US is a strange ordeal, it doesn't feel like the Canon I've known for some six years plus now, and to be quite frank...it is a little frustrating.

I've never liked Sony electronics. I've had them in the past. I've known friends who live and die by Sony. But when compared to other products...I've always found better quality in Sony's competitors. Instead of a Sony TV, I went with a Samsung TV. Instead of a Sony car stereo, I went with a Pioneer. I once purchased a Sony laptop, their 18.4" 1080p HD laptop...total piece of junk that failed within a couple months, had to have a repair man out to my house (after nearly a year of trying to get support to help) to take the thing apart and replace the entire motherboard. I've found ASUS and even Lenovo ultrabooks and tablets to be far superior, more reliable products (even though they are supposedly lower rung products). So on and so forth...

I could use a mirrorless companion to my DSLR. It'll never replace what my DSLR does, but in the circumstances where I need a portable camera with a high quality sensor that is capable of shooting video with smooth focus tracking...Canon HAS the technology (they just aren't utilizing it), and I am truly loath to buy an A7r. I've handled Sony DSLR cameras, and their lenses...on quite a number of occasions, as I do with Nikon cameras whenever I'm in proximity to them at Mikes Camera or another store that has them. If I really had to, I'd move to Nikon, or at least add Nikon to my kit. Sony...not so much. Their products have always felt of lesser quality than both Canon and Nikon. They feel too light and like plastic, like breakable toys. Their lenses don't have the same solid, professional, properly damped feel as a Nikon or Canon lens. Things don't seem to perform as well or as fast on a Sony camera (speaking about DSLRs here, as they are my only regular first hand experience with Sony cameras.) Problem is...Sony has the most compelling mirrorless product on the market. It certainly has a damn good sensor...but, as Nero himself often says...the sensor is rarely the single most important aspect of a camera. It's everything else I wonder about, and I don't think I'll ever be able to shake the feeling that someone else, even Canon, can do a significantly better job than Sony at building a quality mirrorless camera.

That is...if they only would... :-\
 
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Proffarm said:
I just got over excited at the idea of a high-end M..

I haven't given up hope altogether, but I think it really does look fairly bleak.. The thing is, I want the capabilities that the EP-5 and GX7 have really, really badly, but I'm probably not going to sell this year.. I'll just hold out, hoping agains hope in my little photography man-cave until I can't anymore..

LOL

I reckon if it's urgent, and you can't be sure there isn't a high-end one (before a set date), then by all means sell. You can always come back into the fold - resale prices are pretty good. Good luck either way :)
 
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jrista said:
Canon HAS the technology (they just aren't utilizing it),

Do they really have it?

I'm the first one to say Canon boldly milks their products to the last cent before innovating, but afaik the exmor sensor design is patented so using a smaller cmos structure wouldn't solve everything. As for the mirrorless future Canon does not have a good evf, nobody has, so for the time being the dual pixel af is limited to amateur/quick video. They might have new DO lenses, but nobody ever saw an actual product yet, so they might not even have that. They do use their (hybrid) IS system and good usm af in lenses. So what real innovations apart from the 20mp 70d sensor do they have they don't use?

Concerning the latter, I'm convinced the M2 is a short-lived products and will be shortly replaced by a M3 with dual pixel af, that's the reason they don't even export the model outside Asia.

jrista said:
and I am truly loath to buy an A7r.

I agree about what you wrote about Sony, whenever I get a Sony store I try their new toys but it's also not for me, I don't seem to be a Sony person. Nikon, well, I had thought long about switching before I bought my more expensive lenses for Canon, but I remained on this side because of Magic Lantern (focus stacking, focus peaking, bracketing, intervalometer, ...) and because I can program my own dslr.

Other than that, it's really just illogical brand attachment because my first dslr was a Canon 620 and I loved my EOS RT, but I don't doubt Nikon would also have been a good choice - esp. when buying Tamron and Sigma lenses, currently it seems a bit strange to favor Canon cameras below the famed 1dx/5d3 af system.
 
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jrista said:
I'm not saying that Canon needs to dump the 18mp sensor because of external competition. I'm saying they need to dump it because they themselves already have better technology, and there is absolutely no reason not to utilize the 20mp DPAF sensor in the EOS-M2. I don't believe it would cannibalize 70D sales at all...different class of camera.

No reason that you know of... For example, what if the more complicated circuit printing results in a higher QC failure rate? That might raise the production cost of the sensor to the point where it is not cost-effective to put in a camera body that may end up selling for $300.

Also, maybe to you it's just "the same old 18 MP sensor." But to Canon, it's a "new" sensor that to date has only been used in one prior camera body – the SL1/100D. Undoubtedly, Canon incurred development costs for Hybrid CMOS AF II, and it is quite likely that the SL1 alone is not sufficient to recoup those costs to yield a return on that investment.

I'm not saying you're wrong to suggest that Canon should put their latest and greatest technology into their products, I'm just pointing out practical reasons why they may not have done so in this case.
 
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Marsu42 said:
jrista said:
Canon HAS the technology (they just aren't utilizing it),

Do they really have it?

I'm the first one to say Canon boldly milks their products to the last cent before innovating, but afaik the exmor sensor design is patented so using a smaller cmos structure wouldn't solve everything. As for the mirrorless future Canon does not have a good evf, nobody has, so for the time being the dual pixel af is limited to amateur/quick video. They might have new DO lenses, but nobody ever saw an actual product yet, so they might not even have that. They do use their (hybrid) IS system and good usm af in lenses. So what real innovations apart from the 20mp 70d sensor do they have they don't use?

I'm not talking about an Exmor-like sensor. I just mean the 70D DPAF sensor, which was basically made in heaven for the EOS-M line. I would use an EOS-M for casual photography and video (if it had some decent lenses to go along with it). For that, I don't even need a viewfinder, the live view screen would work.

Marsu42 said:
jrista said:
and I am truly loath to buy an A7r.

I agree about what you wrote about Sony, whenever I get a Sony store I try their new toys but it's also not for me, I don't seem to be a Sony person. Nikon, well, I had thought long about switching before I bought my more expensive lenses for Canon, but I remained on this side because of Magic Lantern (focus stacking, focus peaking, bracketing, intervalometer, ...) and because I can program my own dslr.

Other than that, it's really just illogical brand attachment because my first dslr was a Canon 620 and I loved my EOS RT, but I don't doubt Nikon would also have been a good choice - esp. when buying Tamron and Sigma lenses, currently it seems a bit strange to favor Canon cameras below the famed 1dx/5d3 af system.

Well, don't forget that you can tack the EF adapter onto an EOS-M, and your entire collection of EF lenses will work with it. Technically, there is no reason that wouldn't work with an A7r, however from the reports I've heard, AF is excruciatingly slow if you do that (where as, I've heard AF works just as well with the EF adapter on EOS-M as with EOS-M native lenses.)

I favor Canon because when you buy into a brand, you buy into their ecosystem...and years ago I chose Canon. Doesn't really matter if it is Canon, Nikon, Sony, Olympus, etc. You pick a brand, not necessarily a camera...unless you are the type who is willing to spend exorbitant amounts of money replicating the same lens for multiple brands (or are simply independently wealthy.)
 
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neuroanatomist said:
jrista said:
I'm not saying that Canon needs to dump the 18mp sensor because of external competition. I'm saying they need to dump it because they themselves already have better technology, and there is absolutely no reason not to utilize the 20mp DPAF sensor in the EOS-M2. I don't believe it would cannibalize 70D sales at all...different class of camera.

No reason that you know of... For example, what if the more complicated circuit printing results in a higher QC failure rate? That might raise the production cost of the sensor to the point where it is not cost-effective to put in a camera body that may end up selling for $300.

Also, maybe to you it's just "the same old 18 MP sensor." But to Canon, it's a "new" sensor that to date has only been used in one prior camera body – the SL1/100D. Undoubtedly, Canon incurred development costs for Hybrid CMOS AF II, and it is quite likely that the SL1 alone is not sufficient to recoup those costs to yield a return on that investment.

I'm not saying you're wrong to suggest that Canon should put their latest and greatest technology into their products, I'm just pointing out practical reasons why they may not have done so in this case.

Sure, there are certainly practical reasons...however that doesn't mean the opposite isn't true. There could be practical reasons for them to put the 70D DPAF sensor in the EOS-M line. As I said, EOS-M in the USA is a weird bird...its market positioning and technical specifications are at odds with the market. It certainly seems to me that there is plenty of interest in a mirrorless camera from Canon. EOS-M COULD be that camera...however it is simply positioned entirely wrong for the market here. I am saying...Canon has the technology, and more than enough capability, to reposition and market the EOS-M to US buyers, such that they would be completely satisfied with and even eager to buy the thing. I also don't believe that the 70D sensor is too complicated to manufacture...especially if its designed on their tried and true fabrication process (which given the known facts about Canon's manufacturing capacity, it would have to be.)

Anyway...EOS-M isn't a compelling product in the competitive US marketplace, but it could be, and it really wouldn't take all that much effort on Canon's part to make it so. The thing that confuses me is, instead of even trying...they drop it from our market? Strange. Very strange, and disappointing.
 
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neuroanatomist said:
jrista said:
I'm not saying that Canon needs to dump the 18mp sensor because of external competition. I'm saying they need to dump it because they themselves already have better technology, and there is absolutely no reason not to utilize the 20mp DPAF sensor in the EOS-M2. I don't believe it would cannibalize 70D sales at all...different class of camera.

No reason that you know of... For example, what if the more complicated circuit printing results in a higher QC failure rate? That might raise the production cost of the sensor to the point where it is not cost-effective to put in a camera body that may end up selling for $300.

Also, maybe to you it's just "the same old 18 MP sensor." But to Canon, it's a "new" sensor that to date has only been used in one prior camera body – the SL1/100D. Undoubtedly, Canon incurred development costs for Hybrid CMOS AF II, and it is quite likely that the SL1 alone is not sufficient to recoup those costs to yield a return on that investment.

I'm not saying you're wrong to suggest that Canon should put their latest and greatest technology into their products, I'm just pointing out practical reasons why they may not have done so in this case.
Neuro, come on.... are you really still standing up for Canon and their 18mp sensor?
I was in to DSLR's for about 5 years(not anymore, just got my a7!) and during that entire 4 year span of time Canon released many new APS-C cameras from the 7D to the T2i, to the 60D, etc, etc, etc...
To suggest that Canon use a different sensor is not to demand that they put their latest and greatest of everything in to every camera release. It's simply to suggest that if we are expected to care about a new release, maybe they should do something a little different. Just slapping a new badge and Wifi in something, and calling it a new release is not enough to get me excited. yes, it has kept Canon as the leader in DSLR sales.
But in the eyes of many, Canon is as dull as can be at this point.
I'm done with buying DSLR's. Unless they make one the size of the a7, I will never buy one again. I think many people feel the same. In the 5 years I've been following camera releases, I cant think of any cameras Canon has released that have been really exciting at launch.
In fact, I declined to purchase a refurb 7D in 2011 because I thought it was old(bought a 5DC instead)... now we're at the doorstep of 2014 and we're still in the same place.
At this point, Canon is simply resting on their laurels. They are the market leader and they can sell tons of DSLR's to the masses.
I used to be a big Canon fan, but at this point, there is nothing to be a fan of. I'm tired of DSLR's. What more can they do besides the 5DIII? They are already wayyy too big for serious traveling.
Now Canon simply doesn't release their newer, different products in the US? Ok, so it's just an incremental upgrade, but if so, why didn't they release this camera in June, and a high end M2x now with a viewfinder, flash, and a more pro like feel with better controls.

And please, don't tell me if I want a pro like camera with all the knobs and controls I NEED a DSLR. this is simply not true. I am 6'2" 200lbs, and my a7 fits great in my hands and has a shutter speed, aperture, and ISO dials along with TONS of programmable buttons.
DSLR's are not the future of photography, only the future of professional photography. In the future, people like my mom, aunts, and cousins, all of whom own DSLR's now, will simply buy mirrorless. In fact, most of them are already jealous of the advantages(mostly size) my a7 has over their DSLR's. They are quickly learning that DSLR's are no longer the ticket to the best image quality and they are happy to switch to something smaller and more fun.
Canon should do something to create some excitement and show their willingness to expand beyond DSLR's. Releasing another 18mp sensor that wont be available in the US is doing nothing to do so.
 
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EchoLocation said:
Neuro, come on.... are you really still standing up for Canon and their 18mp sensor?
Back when the original 12 megapixel 5D was introduced, a very experienced wedding photographer bought it and soon returned it. He told me it had "too many megapixels". He realized he had no need for 12mp and didn't want to deal with the big files. Now we think the little EOS M2 should have more than 18mp. People who buy the little M2 will be making really, really big prints. ;)
 
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zlatko said:
EchoLocation said:
Neuro, come on.... are you really still standing up for Canon and their 18mp sensor?
Back when the original 12 megapixel 5D was introduced, a very experienced wedding photographer bought it and soon returned it. He told me it had "too many megapixels". He realized he had no need for 12mp and didn't want to deal with the big files. Now we think the little EOS M2 should have more than 18mp. People who buy the little M2 will be making really, really big prints. ;)

Or, downsampling to get less noisy photos with much sharper detail. Or to crop out a portion of the frame at higher detail. The value of having more pixels isn't purely to print large.
 
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